Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards

2001-06-25 Thread Ian BROWN
The right way to send encrypted mail is to create a mail message, encrypt it headers and all, and include that in a mail message of type multipart/alternative, with the alternative being a text message saying 'this mail is encrypted'. Ned Freed suggested something along these lines on the

Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards

2001-06-25 Thread Ian BROWN
Forward secrecy is arguably a more important property of mail to have than authentication, and is much easier to build properly, since it doesn't get into the issues of identity. Unfortunately, none of the current mail standards support it at all. A (very-slow-moving) Internet draft that I've

Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards

2001-06-25 Thread Ben Laurie
Enzo Michelangeli wrote: - Original Message - From: Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enzo Michelangeli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards [...] The digital signature laws I've seen don't

Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards

2001-06-25 Thread James M Galvin
The digital signature laws I've seen don't mention and don't support the notion of non-repudiation, which seems to be an obsession among computer security people and a non-issue among legal people. The idea that something is non-repudiable or unarguable or unavoidable is

Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards

2001-06-25 Thread Charlie_Kaufman
In fact, every secure e-mail protocol, old and new, has codified naïve Sign Encrypt as acceptable security practice. S/MIME, PKCS#7, PGP, OpenPGP, PEM, and MOSS all suffer from this flaw. Actually, that's not true. The encrypted and signed email functionality contained in Lotus Notes encrypts

Re: Zero Knowledge Identity Proofs

2001-06-25 Thread Marc Branchaud
I'm not hep to the identification scheme literature, but I'll just a note that in Dimitrios's scheme, Alice can't just sign the challenge, but must also include Dave's signature in her signature. That is, Alice must sign all of {S_dave(challenge), challenge}, not just the challenge by itself.

Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards

2001-06-25 Thread Bill Frantz
At 10:32 AM -0700 6/24/01, Greg Broiles wrote: The attack raised - at least as it's been summarized, I haven't gotten around to the paper yet - sounds like a good one to remember, but too contrived to be especially dangerous in the real world today. How often do you, or people you know, send