Re: building a true RNG (was: Quantum Computing ...)

2002-07-24 Thread David Honig
At 08:39 AM 7/23/02 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, David Honig wrote: Yes, it is a joke. However, it is also a viable if low-bandwidth entropy source. I disagree that you need to be able to model I've got a framegrabber with a 640x480 24 bit/pixel camera. It doesn't

Re: building a true RNG (was: Quantum Computing ...)

2002-07-24 Thread David Honig
At 10:59 PM 7/22/02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Entropy is not quite a physical quantity -- rather it is on the slippery edge between being a physical thing and a philosophical thing. If you are not careful, you will slip into a deep epistemic bog and find yourself needing to ask how do

Re: building a true RNG (was: Quantum Computing ...)

2002-07-24 Thread David Wagner
Eugen Leitl wrote: Is there any point in compressing the video before running it through a cryptohash? No. (assuming you're talking about lossless compression) In general, any invertible transformation neither adds or subtracts entropy, and hence is extremely unlikely to make any difference

Re: building a true RNG (was: Quantum Computing ...)

2002-07-24 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: building a true RNG (was: Quantum Computing ...) I've got a framegrabber with a 640x480 24 bit/pixel camera. It doesn't compress, is rather noisy, and since self-adjusting I get the maximum entropy at maximum

Re: building a true RNG

2002-07-24 Thread Paul Crowley
John S. Denker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any point in compressing the video before running it through a cryptohash? There might be a minor point, namely computational efficiency. I can't believe any compression software could be as fast as just feeding the signal straight into

Re: understanding entropy (was: building a true RNG)

2002-07-24 Thread John S. Denker
At 10:59 PM 7/22/02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Entropy is not quite a physical quantity -- rather it is on the slippery edge between being a physical thing and a philosophical thing. If you are not careful, you will slip into a deep epistemic bog and find yourself needing to ask how

Re: building a true RNG

2002-07-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On 24 Jul 2002, Paul Crowley wrote: I can't believe any compression software could be as fast as just feeding the signal straight into SHA-1. I haven't tried this, but assuming I'm digitizing dark video and only get noise in the lower significant bits I can just mask out the constant (zero)