Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-07 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 6:38 AM -0500 11/4/02, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: Requirements, on the other hand, is a tough problem. David Chizmadia and I started pulling together a draft higher-assurance OS protection profile for a class we taught at Hopkins. It was drafted in tremendous haste, and we focused selectively

Re: [e-lang] Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-04 Thread Jonathan S. Shapiro
Full disclosure alert: David and I have worked together on pulling together some stronger protection profiles. On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 20:28, David Chizmadia wrote: The fundamental security assurance problem is usually not with the basic OS features: i.e., scheduling and process, memory, and

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-04 Thread Jonathan S. Shapiro
I'm answering this publicly, because there is a surprise in the answer. On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 13:12, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: Jonathan S. Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If a reputable group of recognized computer scientists were to publish a well thought out set of evaluation

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-03 Thread Jonathan S. Shapiro
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 17:48, Adam Shostack wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 03:12:51PM -0500, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: | Given that an EAL4 certification can fairly be characterized as nowhere | near good enough for serious commercial use today, I think it is fair | to harshly criticize these

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-03 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 08:14:38PM -0600, Jim Hughes wrote: | One Comment | | On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 16:48, Adam Shostack wrote: | | Actually, I think it is. I don't think that Linux would pass EAL4; as | you've pointed out, that requires a documented and followed QA | process. Would any

Re: [e-lang] Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-03 Thread David Chizmadia
Is MacOS X EAL4? Not so far as I know, but it could probably get there with some amount of work if it isn't already. MAC OS X and MAC OS X Server are currently in NIAP evaluation at EAL3 (see http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/InEvaluation.html). This is sort of what I mean about EAL4 not

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan S. Shapi ro writes: I disagree. The problem is even more fundamental than that. The problem today is the absence of liability for the consequences of bad software. Once liability goes into place, CC becomes the industry-accepted standard of diligent

Re: [e-lang] Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-03 Thread David Chizmadia
Is MacOS X EAL4? Not so far as I know, but it could probably get there with some amount of work if it isn't already. MAC OS X and MAC OS X Server are currently in NIAP evaluation at EAL3 (see http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/InEvaluation.html). This is sort of what I mean about EAL4 not

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-02 Thread Jonathan S. Shapiro
Ron Luman II replies to Jim Hughes Is it arguable that the difference is minimal. Is there a more formal description of what can be done with an EAL3 vs an EAL4 device? If by 'what can be done' you are referring to recommended usage, I'm not aware of any. If you mean functionality,

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-02 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 11:54:36AM -0500, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: | The word moderate here is very unfortunate. In reading such | statements, one needs to understand a bit of subtext. The Common | Criteria community is very concerned about the possibility that people | will perceive assurance

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-02 Thread Jonathan S. Shapiro
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 13:31, Adam Shostack wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 11:54:36AM -0500, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: | The effectiveness of | the levels is modestly exaggerated, and the importance of going for | higher levels is grossly understated. | | One unfortunate consequence is that

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-02 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 03:12:51PM -0500, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: | On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 13:31, Adam Shostack wrote: | On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 11:54:36AM -0500, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: | | The effectiveness of | | the levels is modestly exaggerated, and the importance of going for | |

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-02 Thread Julien WILK
Well, Actually this is not completely true. If the Certification Lab is also the Validation body, then the Certificate is only limited to the country of Certification release. Precisely in Germany (among other countries), you can get a EAL 4+ certification from a Laboratory... who's

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-01 Thread Mark Miller
At 11:41 PM 10/30/2002 Wednesday, Peter Gutmann wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/021029/sftu114_1.html Microsoft Windows 2000 Awarded Common Criteria Certification Tuesday October 29, 2:00 pm ET Achieves Highest Level of Security Evaluation for the Broadest Set of Real- World Scenarios What

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Hughes
Gentlepeople: I believe I have an interesting question... While I am not generally a Microsoft fan, the documentation that was pointed to seems to be inconsistent. I agree with most of what Johnathan says,and maybe this is just a nit that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The document

Re: Windows 2000 declared secure

2002-11-01 Thread Ron Luman II
Hi Jim, that level of risk. The assurance level is EAL 3 and the minimum strength of function is SOF-medium. But the press release states NT-2000 achieved EAL-4? It was. The CAPP only specifies the minimum assurance level required. Common Criteria EAL4-CAPP is roughly equivalent to ITSEC