Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-10 Thread Peter Gutmann
Rick Smith at Secure Computing [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 06:48 PM 11/5/2001, David Jablon wrote: Yet, strong network-based authentication of people does not require complex secret information ... if complex means demanding at least {64, 80, 128} random bits. With emerging strong password

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-10 Thread Rich Salz
Nobody is gonna indemnify the world against infringement, but I thought Stanford's SRP protocol comes as close as realistically possible to what you're asking for. /r$ -- Zolera Systems, Securing web services (XML, SOAP, Signatures, Encryption) http://www.zolera.com

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-09 Thread lynn . wheeler
but in the financial case ... you don't have to identify them (aka their DNA) ... you just match them and the account. absolutely no identity needed. If i deposit a large sum of money and want to be the only person authorized to transact on the account ... there is no need to present identity

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-09 Thread David Jablon
Authentication of people is an especially subtle engineering problem. Yet, strong network-based authentication of people does not require complex secret information ... if complex means demanding at least {64, 80, 128} random bits. With emerging strong password schemes, your average

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-09 Thread Rick Smith at Secure Computing
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2001, David Jablon wrote: Yet, strong network-based authentication of people does not require complex secret information ... if complex means demanding at least {64, 80, 128} random bits. With emerging strong password schemes, your average one-in-a-thousand or one-in-a-million

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-06 Thread lynn . wheeler
not completely. except for some of the know your customer rules a financial institution doesn't have to identify you ... they only have to authenticate that you are the person authorized to transact with the account; aka 1) I come in and open a brand-new account and deposit a whole lot of

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-05 Thread lynn . wheeler
: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack In a message dated 11/5/01 9:41:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On one hand I'm tempted to read

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-05 Thread JohnE37179
In a message dated 11/5/01 10:55:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in the account-based financial transaction ... the requestor is the card-holder/consumer and the authorization or service entity is the card-holder's financial institution. I think you have nailed it on the head. When

Re: when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack

2001-11-05 Thread JohnE37179
In a message dated 11/5/01 11:28:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: then you can only 'authenticate' between entities that share some fairly complex secret information. Anything else can be spoofed pretty easily. The information does not have to be secret at all. It can be open, but not