RE: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread bear
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Scott Guthery wrote: Privacy abuse is first and foremost the failure of a digital rights management system. A broken safe is not evidence that banks shouldn't use safes. It is only an argument that they shouldn't use the safe than was broken. I'm hard pressed to imagine

Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread pasward
I'm slightly confused about this. My understanding of contract law is that five things are required to form a valid contract: offer and acceptance, mutual intent, consideration, capacity, and lawful intent. It seems to me that a click-through agreement is likely to fail on at least one, and

Re: privacy digital rights management

2002-06-26 Thread John S. Denker
I wrote: Perhaps we are using wildly divergent notions of privacy Donald Eastlake 3rd wrote: You are confusing privacy with secrecy That's not a helpful remark. My first contribution to this thread called attention to the possibility of wildly divergent notions of privacy. Also please

Re: privacy digital rights management

2002-06-26 Thread RL 'Bob' Morgan
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Donald Eastlake 3rd wrote: Privacy, according to the usual definitions, involve controlling the spread of information by persons autorized to have it. Contrast with secrecy which primarily has to do with stopping the spread of information through the actions of those

Re: Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-26 Thread Adam Back
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:01:00AM -0700, bear wrote: As I see it, we can get either privacy or DRM, but there is no way on Earth to get both. [...] Hear, hear! First post on this long thread that got it right. Not sure what the rest of the usually clueful posters were thinking! DRM

TCPA / Palladium FAQ (was: Re: Ross's TCPA paper)

2002-06-26 Thread Ross Anderson
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DRMs vs internet privacy (Re: Ross's TCPA paper)

2002-06-26 Thread Adam Back
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 03:57:15PM -0400, C Wegrzyn wrote: If a DRM system is based on X.509, according to Brand I thought you could get anonymity in the transaction. Wouldn't this accomplish the same thing? I don't mean that you would necessarily have to correlate your viewing habits with