Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-29 Thread Bill Stewart
At 06:38 PM 06/22/2002 -0400, Steve Fulton wrote: At 17:37 22/06/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still.

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2002-06-22 Thread Lucky Green
John wrote quoting Lucky: Locate the button in your MUA that's labeled Use secure connection or something to that effect, search the docs for your MTA for the words STARTTLS, relaying, and potentially SASL, don't use your ISP's smtp server, encourage those that you are

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread Steve Fulton
At 18:57 21/06/2002 -0700, John Young wrote: Data retention is being done now by programs and services which cache data to ease loading on servers and networks. [...] John, As a systems administrator @ an ISP, I can tell flat out that the software you describe has nothing to do with ISP

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread geer
Steve, Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still. If that relationship holds up over a period of years, today's tradeoffs between cache,

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread Steve Fulton
At 17:37 22/06/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still. You've got a point. Storage is becoming less and less

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread John Young
I appreciate what an honorable ISP admin will do to abide customer rights over intrusive snoopers and perhaps cooperative administrators above the pay grade of a sysadmin. Know that a decent sysadmin is on for about 1/3 of a weekday for 24x7 systems is a small comfort but leaves unanswered what

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-21 Thread ji
Under this proposed law, will ISPs have to scan *all* SMTP traffic and record the envelope, or only the traffic for which they actually do SMTP forwarding? If the latter is the case, we can simply go back to the original end-to-end SMTP delivery model; no POP/IMAP or any of that stuff. If the

Followup: [RE: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.]

2002-06-21 Thread Trei, Peter
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law. Trei, Peter wrote: - start quote - Cyber Security Plan Contemplates U.S. Data Retention Law http://online.securityfocus.com/news/486 Internet service

RE: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-21 Thread Lucky Green
ji wrote: Under this proposed law, will ISPs have to scan *all* SMTP traffic and record the envelope, or only the traffic for which they actually do SMTP forwarding? If the latter is the case, we can simply go back to the original end-to-end SMTP delivery model; no POP/IMAP or any of

Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David G. Koontz writes: Trei, Peter wrote: - start quote - Cyber Security Plan Contemplates U.S. Data Retention Law http://online.securityfocus.com/news/486 Internet service providers may be forced into wholesale spying on their customers as part of the