Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Nelson Minar
Adam Back says: Providing almost no hardware defenses while going to extra-ordinary efforts to provide top notch software defenses doesn't make sense if the machine owner is a threat. So maybe the Palladium folks really mean it when they say the purpose of Palladium is not to enable DRM? I doubt

Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Adam Back
Remote attestation does indeed require Palladium to be secure against the local user. However my point is while they seem to have done a good job of providing software security for the remote attestation function, it seems at this point that hardware security is laughable. So they disclaim in

Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Rick Wash
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 04:52:16PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: So they disclaim in the talk announce that Palladium is not intended to be secure against hardware attacks: | Palladium is not designed to provide defenses against | hardware-based attacks that originate from someone in control of

Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software??(Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread alan
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Rick Wash wrote: Hardware-based attacks cannot be redistributed. If I figure out how to hack my system, I can post instructions on the web but it still requires techinical competence on your end if you want to hack your system too. While this doesn't help a whole lot

Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software??(Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 4:52 PM +0100 10/22/02, Adam Back wrote: Remote attestation does indeed require Palladium to be secure against the local user.  However my point is while they seem to have done a good job of providing software security for the remote attestation function, it seems at this point that hardware

Re: Palladium -- trivially weak in hw but secure in software?? (Re: palladium presentation - anyone going?)

2002-10-22 Thread Tal Garfinkel
Software-based attacks are redistributable. Once I write a program that hacks a computer, I can give that program to anyone to use. I can even give it to everyone, and then anyone could use it. The expertise necessary can be abstracted away into a program even my mother could use.