Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-19 Thread Ian Grigg
On the employment situation... it seems that a lot of applied cryptographers are currently unemployed... Adam, just interested: do you have a definition of what an applied cryptographer is? -- iang - The Cryptography

Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-18 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 01:46:09AM -0400, dmolnar wrote: | | | On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, John Kelsey wrote: | | Also, designing new crypto protocols, or analyzing old ones used in odd | ways, is mostly useful for companies that are offering some new service on | the net, or doing some wildly new

Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-17 Thread John Kelsey
At 12:57 PM 8/16/02 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: ... I've seen very high rates of unemployment among people of all walks of life in New York of late -- I know a lot of lawyers, systems administrators, secretaries, advertising types, etc. who are out of work or have been underemployed for a

Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-17 Thread John Kelsey
At 04:21 AM 8/16/02 -0400, dmolnar wrote: ... Don't forget schedule pressure, the overhead of bringing in a contractor to do crypto protocol design, and the not-invented-here syndrome. I think all of these contribute to keeping protocol design in-house, regardless of the technical skill of the

Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-16 Thread Hadmut Danisch
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 02:23:05AM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Other explanations? Same effect here in Germany. I'm under the impression that security was never really done for security reasons, but as a kind of fashion. Do it because everyone is doing it. It's a problem of the decision makers.

employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-16 Thread Adam Back
On the employment situation... it seems that a lot of applied cryptographers are currently unemployed (Tim Dierks, Joseph, a few ex-colleagues, and friends who asked if I had any leads, the spate of recent security consultant .sigs, plus I heard that a straw poll of attenders at the codecon

Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-16 Thread Adam Shostack
Hey, this is off-topic for DRM-punks! ;) more seriously: I think the fundamental issue is that crypto doesn't really solve many business problems, and it may solve fewer security problems. See Bellovin's work on how many vulnerabilities would be blocked by strong crypto. The buying public can't

Re: employment market for applied cryptographers?

2002-08-16 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Adam Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are there any more definitive security industry stats? Are applied crypto people suffering higher rates of unemployment than general application programmers? (From my statistically too small sample of acquaintances it might appear so.) Hard to say.