Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-05 Thread Ray Dillinger
On 10/04/2013 01:23 AM, James A. Donald wrote: On 2013-10-04 09:33, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: The design of WSDL and SOAP is entirely due to the need to impedance match COM to HTTP. That is fairly horrifying, as COM was designed for a single threaded environment, and becomes and

Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-05 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: XML was not intended to be easy to read, it was designed to be less painful to work with than SGML, that is all More to the point, it was designed to be a *markup* format. The markup is metadata describing various

Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-04 Thread James A. Donald
On 2013-10-04 09:33, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: The design of WSDL and SOAP is entirely due to the need to impedance match COM to HTTP. That is fairly horrifying, as COM was designed for a single threaded environment, and becomes and incomprehensible and extraordinarily inefficient security

Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-03 Thread ianG
On 3/10/13 00:37 AM, Dave Horsfall wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Jerry Leichter wrote: Always keep in mind - when you argue for easy readability - that one of COBOL's design goals was for programs to be readable and understandable by non-programmers. Managers, in particular. SQL, too, had

Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-03 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Peter Gutmann wrote: For those not familiar with TL1, supposed to be readable here means encoded in ASCII rather than binary. It's about as readable as EDIFACT and HL7. In a previous life I had to read, understand, and debug EDIFACT (it was OpenLDAP, as I recall). It

Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-03 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:19 AM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: On 3/10/13 00:37 AM, Dave Horsfall wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Jerry Leichter wrote: Always keep in mind - when you argue for easy readability - that one of COBOL's design goals was for programs to be readable and understandable by

Re: [Cryptography] encoding formats should not be committee'ised

2013-10-02 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Jerry Leichter wrote: Always keep in mind - when you argue for easy readability - that one of COBOL's design goals was for programs to be readable and understandable by non-programmers. Managers, in particular. -- Dave ___ The