Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-24 Thread Seth David Schoen
Bill Stewart writes: On Thursday, Mar 13, 2003, at 21:45 US/Eastern, Jay Sulzberger wrote: The Xbox will not boot any free kernel without hardware modification. The Xbox is an IBM style peecee with some feeble hardware and software DRM. But is the Xbox running Nag-Scab or whatever

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-24 Thread David Turner
On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 05:12, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Anonymous wrote: Microsoft's point with regard to DRM has always been that Palladium had other uses besides that one which everyone was focused on. Obviously Of course it's useful. Does the usefulness outweigh the

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-16 Thread Rich Salz
All video game consoles are sold under cost today. This is wrong. Cf, http://www.actsofgord.com/Proclamations/chapter02.html /r$ - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-16 Thread Bill Stewart
Anish asked for references to Palladium. Using a search engine to find things with palladium cryptography wasabisystems or palladium cypherpunks will find a bunch of pointers to articles, some of them organized usefully. On Thursday, Mar 13, 2003, at 21:45 US/Eastern, Jay Sulzberger wrote: The

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-15 Thread Anonymous
Eugen Leitl writes: Unfortunately no one can accept in good faith a single word coming out of Redmond. Biddle has been denying Pd can be used for DRM in presentation (xref Lucky Green subsequent patent claims to call the bluff), however in recent (of this week) Focus interview Gates

RE: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-15 Thread Lucky Green
AARG!, having burned the nym with the moderator of this list and who is therefore now posting via the Hermes remailer commented on Microsoft, which similarly burned the Palladium name, claims: Hopefully this will shed light on the frequent claims that Palladium will limit what programs people

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Anonymous wrote: Microsoft's point with regard to DRM has always been that Palladium had other uses besides that one which everyone was focused on. Obviously Of course it's useful. Does the usefulness outweigh the support for special interests (DRM, governments, software

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-15 Thread Birger Toedtmann
Jeroen C. van Gelderen schrieb am Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 12:38:14AM -0500: [...] Obviously a vendor can restrict what kind of software runs on the hardware he sells, either by contract or trough technical means. In the latter case the consumer is of course free to circumvent the barriers,

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
Unfortunately no one can accept in good faith a single word coming out of Redmond. Biddle has been denying Pd can be used for DRM in presentation (xref Lucky Green subsequent patent claims to call the bluff), however in recent (of this week) Focus interview Gates explicitly stated it does. This

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-14 Thread Jeroen C. van Gelderen
On Thursday, Mar 13, 2003, at 21:45 US/Eastern, Jay Sulzberger wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Hermes Remailer wrote: The following comes from Microsoft's recent mailing of their awkwardly named Windows Trusted Platform Technologies Information Newsletter March 2003. Since they've abandoned the

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-14 Thread Anish
Hi all, I would be really glad to know more on Pallidium .I have tried to get some info but havent been able to get much. I would be really thankful if some one could give me some pointers.This is inspite of having sat through two lectures one from Graeme Proudler(H.P. Research Labs),and

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-14 Thread David Wagner
Hermes Remailer wrote: Hopefully this will shed light on the frequent claims that Palladium will limit what programs people can run, [...] That's a strawman argument. The problem is not that Palladium will *itself* directly limit what I can run; the problem is what Palladium enables. Why are

Re: Microsoft: Palladium will not limit what you can run

2003-03-13 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Hermes Remailer wrote: The following comes from Microsoft's recent mailing of their awkwardly named Windows Trusted Platform Technologies Information Newsletter March 2003. Since they've abandoned the Palladium name they are forced to use this cumbersome title.