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The secret government creates fear rumors for their own benefit.  This
(below- that during the Cold War Soviets put nukes under US Cities) is one
of them.  There have been secret agreements between the Soviets and Chinese
and NATO (with US) concerning non use of nuclear weapons brokered first by
Henry Luce with Joe Stalin in the early fifties.  I know.  I saw them being
built as a child. These were serious agreements.  The above board agreements
were always designed to fail and keep the populations in fear.  If the rumor
from the mill has any validity it is to lay blame elsewhere if the secret
government uses a nuke to create domestic terrorism.  That is not out of the
question if they feel too threatened.  And with 9/11 etc. many now in power
could face long term prison or firing squads.  Ramsey Clark is already
calling for genocide charges to be brought against Rummy, Cheany, Bush et
al.  So if Joplin or Kansas City suddenly disappears in a ball of white ash,
don't blame the Russians.  Look close to home.
   Another created rumor has been that nukes can only be set off in certain
geographic locations.  Without knowing certain ethereal 'grid lines' they
will not work.  It is true that there has been a noticed difference in the
amount causing reactions (slow or large) in different geographic locations.
But the difference is so small as to be negligible.  This rumor was
considered my most all at the top to be a 'good lie'.  "We don't want some
crazy people thinking they can make a bomb while we have these secret
deals."  The two bombed dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were designed to
show how simple they worked.  "Fat Boy" (a number of chunks of uranium
suddenly blasted together from a number of directs), and "The Tube" (two
chunks blasted together from two directions).  Both worked.  Made for TV
movies (one produced by ATT) go to some length to give the impression that
atomic bombs are hard to build.  They are not.
    This is why you are carefully led to believe that nuclear proliferation
is a bad thing.  It is a good thing.  The more that have the bomb, the
greater the chance that an above board agreement is made the same way we had
an above board agreement concerning mustard gas that worked all through WW
II.  They have cleverly, for half a century, made the open agreement
attempts fall apart. They want you to think such agreements are difficult.
Therefore, at this time, and in this situation, I am for nuclear
proliferation.  Nuclear proliferation will create the quickest road to all
these weapons being dismantled.  If there are two roads here then one is
that we get rid of this international secret government created by these
secret deals or we head closer to a real possibility of a nuke being used in
a created scene such as the phony 9/11.
    Dale, you do a great disservice by spreading the falsehoods below.  They
are clever, but they are lies.  I know what I am saying is true.  I saw
those secret agreements being built as a child.  So I will copy this counter
message to at least a few Iranian newspapers.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>And Pravda.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And the Russian navy through [EMAIL PROTECTED] .  And who else?  North
Korean news agency through Japan at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Oh, I know, there seems to be a NATO firewall on the
Internet around the Norwegian military.  Perhaps I can embarrass them by
asking a Swede to pass this to them. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Christine, why is there a NATO Internet
firewall around the Norwegian military?  Perhaps you are close enough to
pass this note to someone in the Norwegian military and ask them exactly
what those 'bunker boys' are doing in those little holes in Stavenger?)
    The bull below makes me see red, Dale !
    Michael Donovan, Camden, ME

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Subject: [svpvril] Bearden: Our Collison Course with Destiny


> The old Soviet Union long ago inserted nuclear weapons in all our large
> cities and population centers, along with the Spetznaz teams to detonate
> them on command, in the dirt and dirty. They are still there, waiting.
> Read Lunev's book <../misc/lunev.htm>.
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