-Caveat Lector- Lawyers Cited Lack of Immunity for Potential Espionage Charges Huang Took Fifth on Chinese Money By Terence P. Jeffrey Human Events Reports of the death of the Justice Department’s campaign finance investigation have been greatly exaggerated. In fact, with Bill Clinton gone from the White House, and Janet Reno’s tenure as attorney general terminated, the most important phase of that investigation may be only just beginning. If so, it is beginning, ironically, in the very same place as the first phase: with John Huang refusing to answer questions. But this time Huang’s refusals may portend something far different from what they did last time–because this time Huang is a witness cooperating with the government. And now his onetime boss, Lippo Group President James Riady, may also become a government witness. And Janet Reno is no longer attorney general of the United States. What would be the purpose of making a deal for Riady’s cooperation unless there were parties in this case more important than Riady whom government prosecutors would like to pursue with the evidence and testimony Riady can provide? Who could such parties be? Court documents and a November 6 deposition in which Huang was questioned by Judicial Watch President Larry Klayman offer some clues. Hooking a Bigger Fish? In the deposition, Huang repeatedly invoked his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination. In most, but not all, instances, the magistrate judge monitoring the deposition cited Huang for contempt. Huang had two rationales for taking the 5th, according to his lawyers. First, a federal appeals court opinion, called the Perkins case, holds that a witness does not have to answer the same question twice in the same legal proceeding. (Klayman has deposed Huang on five occasions, both before and after Huang’s plea agreement.) But secondly, Huang’s plea agreement did not immunize him against prosecution if he is found to have violated national security or anti-espionage laws. "Anything he says here is not immunized against him for any federal prosecutions for espionage or related crimes," Huang’s attorney Ty Cobb told the judge at the deposition. John C. Keeney, another attorney for Huang, said in an interview with Human Events that, as a simple matter of legal prudence, he and Cobb could not allow Huang to answer some deposition questions that related to foreign persons, entities or issues. "If we did not assert the 5th Amendment, it would be legal malpractice," said Keeney–who teaches legal ethics at American University. Keeney further noted that the plea agreement in which the government reserves the right to prosecute Huang for any possible espionage or national security violations also includes language stating that prosecutors are not "currently" aware of evidence that would support such charges. "The United States will not prosecute you for any other violations of federal law based on conduct related to events disclosed by the defendant or otherwise known to the government other than those laws relating to national security or espionage (economic or otherwise), occurring before the date this agreement is signed by you," says the plea agreement. "The United States represents that it is not currently aware of evidence which would support any charges of violations of the relevant national security or espionage statutes. You understand and agree that the United States is free to prosecute you for any unlawful past conduct relating to national security or espionage or for any illegal conduct that occurs after the date this Agreement is signed." The government also indicated that it understood Huang was likely to invoke the 5th Amendment if later asked certain questions in venues where he had not been granted immunity. "[S]ince defendant Huang’s plea agreement leaves open the possibility of subsequent prosecutions for violations of espionage and national security statutes, he will obviously retain a 5th Amendment right with respect to questions in this area, even after his guilty plea and sentencing," Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel J. O’Brien, a member of the Justice Department’s Campaign Financing Task Force, told Huang’s sentencing judge. As of now, Federal District Judge Royce Lamberth, who has authority over the magistrate who monitored the deposition, has not certified the contempt citations against Huang lodged by that magistrate. If he does, Huang will appeal to the Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. In one venue or the other, Huang’s attorneys are confident that a proper reading of his 5th Amendment rights will prevail over the contempt citations. Nonetheless, the government’s reservation of the right to prosecute Huang for espionage or national security violations, and Huang’s invocation of the 5th Amendment in the first place, demonstrate that the campaign finance investigation still must answer the biggest questions it has faced since the outset: What was the involvement of the Chinese government in funneling money to congressional candidates, the Democratic Party, and the Clinton-Gore campaign? Who knew of that involvement? When did they know it? Did the Chinese get anything in return? In the Judicial Watch deposition, for example, Huang took the 5th when asked if Chinese banks had been the ultimate source for contributions he and his wife made to Al Gore’s Senate campaign that had been reimbursed, in the first instance, by James Riady’s Lippo Group. Moreover, the plea agreement now proposed for Riady is targeted, on its face, at forcing Riady to reveal the ultimate source of the political funds he funneled into the United States. It assumes, in other words, that Riady may not have been the ultimate source of the funds, and that he will cooperate with prosecutors in proving who was. When Klayman broached the question of Chinese funding in the Huang deposition, it was as if he were trying to scale the Great Wall itself. First, Assistant U.S. Attorney Marina Brasswell–who represents the federal government in the case–lodged an objection. The judge overruled. Then Huang invoked his privilege. After discussion of the legal issues involved, the judge instructed him to answer. Then Huang’s attorney Cobb instructed him not to answer. And, finally, the judge cited Huang for contempt. Klayman: "Do you know whether or not money from Chinese banks was used to reimburse you, you and Mrs. Huang, on behalf of the Lippo Group?" Brasswell: "Continuing objection as to scope." Judge Facciola: "Overruled." Huang: "I invoke the privilege." Klayman: "Ask for a ruling on whether he can invoke the privilege." Judge Facciola: "I am. I’m just thinking for a second. Does this have to do, Mr. Keeney, with the exclusion of national security matters?" Keeney: "In large part, Your Honor." Judge Facciola: "Well, and what else?" Keeney: "As well as the Perkins case." Judge Facciola: "What statute would make it–what statute pertaining to national security would have to do with the topic of reimbursing people from offshore entities for contributions they make to the United States?" Keeney: "Hypothetically, anything involving Chinese financial institutions could arguably implicate the economic espionage statute specifically exempted by the government from the plea agreement." Judge Facciola: "Ms. Brasswell, are you familiar with the economic espionage statute?" Ms. Braswell: "No, I’m not, Your Honor." Judge Facciola: "Mr. Klayman, are you?" Klayman: "No, but I don’t understand how that fact, even if I was, Your Honor, could implicate espionage. Certainly even legal transactions can occur through monies being transferred by Chinese banks." Judge Facciola: "Yes. I am going to overrule the assertion of the privilege and direct the witness to answer." Cobb: "And I respectfully instruct him not to do so, Your Honor." Judge Facciola: "The witness is held in contempt." In the proposed Riady plea agreement, the government requires Riady "to produce voluntarily any and all documents, records, or other tangible evidence relating to the matters about which the United States inquires, including documents indicating the source and nature of funds used to reimburse campaign contributions." The agreement also requires Riady to appear in the United States to testify and cooperate with the government whenever the government wishes him to do so. In return for Riady’s providing evidence and testimony, including as to the source of illegal contributions, the government will agree not to "file additional charges against you or your wife relating to any campaign finance matters examined during the course of the United States investigation." This narrowly targeted language immunizes Riady only from additional prosecution for violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act or a conspiracy to violate that act. It does not immunize him from prosecution for potential espionage or national security violations. "There is nothing that is going to prohibit the government from investigating and charging Riady with violations of espionage statutes if sufficient evidence is developed to charge him," Assistant U.S. Attorney O’Brien said in an interview. O’Brien, who formulated the plea agreements with both Huang and Riady, is a career federal prosecutor of ten years service, who also happens to be a Republican. He answers to Campaign Financing Task Force Chief Robert Conrad, who earned publicity last summer when it was revealed he had requested that Janet Reno name an outside counsel to investigate Vice President Gore for possibly committing perjury in a deposition in which Conrad had probed Gore’s association with, among others, Huang and Riady. A noncynical interpretation of what has happened in the campaign finance investigation is that it has followed the standard pattern of conspiracy investigations: A little fish is caught in hopes that he will provide the bait to catch a bigger fish. Even when they labored under the burden of having Janet Reno as their boss, the professional investigators on the campaign task force hooked Huang, who provided them with the evidence to hook Riady, who now may provide the evidence to hook someone else. And there aren’t too many fish bigger than Riady. 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