At 10:34 AM 4/28/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:14:36 -0400 >Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:13:55 -0400 >Received: from [212.126.143.72] (helo=home) > by oracle.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) > id 12kvbO-000BCU-00; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:13:38 +0100 >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:11:38 +0100 >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Para <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Andrew Collins - EARTHQUEST NEWS >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > >EARTHQUEST NEWS >____________________________________________________________________________ >_____________ >A Newsletter from Andrew Collins. Vol. 4, No. 2, Summer 2000 >Spring is well and truly upon us and it is time for me to let you know >what’s happening in my curious world. This year’s Questing Conference, >scheduled to take place at the Institute of Education, Bedford Way, off >Russell Square, London WC1 on Saturday, 14 October is set to be the best >ever. The most recent addition to the list of speakers is Michael Cremo, >the author of the breath-taking book FORBIDDEN ARCHAEOLOGY. He will argue >the case for the presence on earth of humanity many millions of years >before the date accepted by palaeontologists. He will present astounding >evidence of how the discovery of human remains and fashioned artefacts in >different geological strata on every continent has been systematically >ignored and suppressed by Darwinian scientists. All I can say is that I saw >him present this important lecture recently at the San Marino conference, >which took place on 25/26 March, and, let me tell you, it is not to be >missed by anyone. For example, there is the case of the many flint tools >found by nineteenth-century gold miners tunnelling through solid rock >inside Tuolumne Table Mountain, California. These priceless artefacts were >recorded in 1880 in a book entitled THE AURIFEROUS GRAVELS OF THE SIERRA >NEVADA, penned by California’s state geologist Dr J. D. Whitney. The >problem here is that the rock strata in question belonged to the Eocene >epoch, which corresponds to a time-frame between 65 and 38 millions years ago. >Then there is the case of the fossilised footprints of modern man uncovered >in 1979 at a site near Laetoli in Tanzania by respected paleontologist Mary >Leakey, the mother of Richard Leakey. The rock layer in question was 3.7 >million, the date given for the oldest known hominid, or ancestor of modern >man. Yet this so-called Australopithecus had toes one and half times larger >than our own and big toes that turned outwards at an angle. In no way could >this hominid account for the footprints found by Mary Leakey. >Michael recounts the plight of American geologist Virginia Steen-McIntyre >who was called in to date stone artefacts and human remains found at two >site excavations in Mexico - Hueyatlaco and El Horno. After careful >consideration of the rock strata in question she concluded that the finds >came from a layer corresponding to 250,000 years ago. Archaeologists only >believe that ancient man entered the American continent from northeast Asia >around 30,000 years ago. Not only was she ostracised for her statements, >but the archaeologist in charge of excavations ignored her findings >completely and instead claimed that the finds were just 20,000 years old >based on a Carbon-14 date achieved several kilometres away! >I could go on. There is so much you don’t know about, and we are not >talking here about a few odd reports of weird artefacts being found by >chance and reported in books by the likes of Erich von Daniken. There are >literally hundreds of well-attested cases where out-of-place artefacts have >been found in geological strata they simply should not have been in. >Archaeologists and paleontologists dismiss all such claims, and say that >any genuine cases where artefacts or human remains have been found at a >level deeper than they should be is as a result of intrusive burial. This >is where holes are dug to bury the dead and then, when they are discovered >in modern times, it is assumed that the remains date to the age of the >strata in which they are found. Yet Michael Cremo can show that there are >well-attested cases of human remains being found in strata beneath hundreds >of metres of solid rock! >Anyway, hear these and many other fascinating stories when Michael Cremo >delivers his lecture at the Questing Conference in October. The other >speakers are as per the red flyer (which shows, by way of a backdrop, >interments inside the Citadel, which houses the Temple of Quetzalcoatl at >Teotihuacan in Central Mexico as caught on camera by transoceanic >specialist David Eccott). The rest of the line up is COLIN WILSON on the >age of civilisation; MICHAEL BAIGENT on lost civilisations, shamanism and >the roots of Hermetica; VICTOR CLUBE on the origins of catastrophe myths; >GRAHAM PHILLIPS on Egypt, the Early Church and the Marian Conspiracy; >ANDREW COLLINS on the Feathered Serpents; MICHAEL CARMICHAEL on Egypt, >Sacred Drugs and the Blue Water Lily; plus Special Guest from the United >States noted archaeologist NEIL STEEDE on Giza, Mexico and the enigma of >Tiahuanaco. You will recall from a previous EARTHQUEST NEWS that Neil >Steede has been able to confirm archaeologist Arthur Posnansky’s early >dating for the Kalasasaya palace court at Tiahuanaco, near Lake Titicaca, >in Bolivia. Using hi-tech measuring equipment, Steede has been able to >determine that the solstitial alignments over its eastern gate correspond >to a date of between 9000 and 7000 BC, slightly later than Posnansky’s >proposed 15,000 to 10,000 BC. Perhaps Neil is just trying to be necessarily >conservative in his estimates. His findings do not necessarily mean that >the structure dates to this early period only that the orientation of the >court reflects this distant age (conventional dating places the >construction of the city at around 2000 years ago, with the earliest >occupation some 3,500 years ago). I look forward immensely to Neil’s lecture. >Tickets for the Questing Conference are priced at £28 each. They are >available from the PO Box using the reply coupon on the web site >accompanying the flyer or via the Credit Card Hotline on 020.7405.2120. By >the way, this hotline service is in fact Atlantis Bookshop in Museum St., >London, so don’t be surprised when you hear them say this name. It is also >my pleasure to announce that the conference is being sponsored by NEXUS >magazine, who along with Atlantis Bookshop will have bookstalls on the day. >ANTARCTICAN ANTIQUITY >Look at any world map showing the migrational routes of early man and >Antarctica is always avoided. Scholars will tell you that the ice-bound >continent was never occupied due to its extreme weather conditions and >inaccessibility. However, after many years of speculation about alleged >structures and artefacts being found and hushed up on Antarctica (none of >which are likely to be true, I might add) comes better news that ancient >man did once inhabit the region. This information was given to me by >Italian engineer and writer Flavio Barbiero following his lecture on >Antarctica, Atlantis and a proposed pole shift following an impact event in >around 9500 BC (although I would context this date, suggesting that the >event occurred 8500 +/- 500 years) at San Marino. He tells me that the >earliest possible evidence dates back to 1903. >In that year the Swedish explorer Carl Larsen landed on Seymour Island, >which lies in the Weddell Sea beyond the continent’s north-west coast. In >an area of exposed land he is said to have come across various fossils, >showing a prior warmer climate, as well as numerous small cylinders and >balls of clay, which appeared to be of artificial construction. Flavio and >his colleagues have been trying to follow up this story, with one of them >even travelling to Sweden to interview Larsen’s descendents. Although the >artefacts were destroyed when the family home was lost in a fire, copies of >Larsen’s report, which includes an account of the discovery of the strange >objects, has been found. I have requested a copy of this report and will >follow up this story in due course. >In addition to the strange cylinders and clay balls found on Seymour >Island, it seems that sediment cores extracted by a Chilean research vessel >from the sea-bottom beneath the ice off South Shetland Island, north of >Antarctica, produced more evidence of a human presence in prehistoric >times. In two separate cores flint tools of unquestionable human >manufacture were found. How they might have come to be there is open to >speculation. Yet the fact that they were found in cores taken from >different locations suggests that there must be further evidence of human >life so close to Antarctica. Once again, I will bring you further news of >this story as and when it becomes available. >When I began writing GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS it was my impression that >Antarctica was Atlantis. However, after studying Plato’s story of Atlantis, >preserved in the Timaeus and Critias I became convinced that this fabled >island empire lay on the western Atlantic seaboard. I further pinned down >the location to the Caribbean, Cuba in particular, with the sunken lands >being the now drowned parts of the former Bahaman landmass and Cuba’s Bay >of Batabanó. This was the theory I went with in the book. However, even at >this time I realised that the picture was slightly more complex. Although I >could not prove it, my colleague David Southwell and I had worked out that >prior to 15,000 BC Antarctica might well have been inhabited. Sometime >around this date an event occurred to displace its indigenous peoples >northwards towards South America, where they created new cultures. Others >went by sea to the Caribbean, where they went on to found the Atlantean >culture. As mad as these thoughts might seem, this is almost exactly what >Flavio Barbiero proposed in his lecture at San Marino. He believes that the >Antarcticans arrived via the prevailing ocean currents from Island >Southeast Asia around 40,000 to 50,000 years ago. They settled in its >north-west region, which at the time was still free of ice. Here they >remained, he says, until 9500 BC when an impact event caused a sudden shift >of the poles to their current position. Ice and rising waters from the >melting of the old ice caps covered any evidence of their occupation. The >Antarcticans, he proposes, migrated to different parts of the world >including South America, the Caribbean, Africa, India, and even Egypt. We >beg to differ on dates but I can handle virtually everything of what Flavio >is proposing in this respect (read more on this subject in my review of the >conference on Eden – the Andrew Collins web site at www.andrewcollins.net). >Flavio Barbiero is seen in Italy as a respectable scholar. He is taken >seriously! >We have vowed to work together to sort out this mystery once and for all. >As you might well know, the works of Charles Hapgood, the Flem-aths and >Graham Hancock have all played with the idea that Antarctica might once >have been the seat of a major lost civilisation. Yet it is as well to >remember that the first scholar to propose that the earliest cultures of >South America came from Antarctica was Arthur Posnansky, the archaeologist >who worked so hard on Tiahuanaco. He concluded that its high culture came >originally from the ice-bound continent as early as 15,000 BC and showed >maps to this effect in his four-volume masterpiece on the ancient city. So >is there any real evidence of an Antarctican influence in South America? >UNSOLVED MYSTERIES >One event that could well provide the answer is the DIE WELT DES >UNERKLÄRLICHEN: UNSOLVED MYSTERIES exhibition, scheduled to take place at >the Design Center in Linz, Austria, between 22 June and 25 August next >year. It will bring together for the first time out-of-place artefacts from >all over the world. Key speakers are also being invited to deliver lectures >at an opening seminar. Altogether over 150 items have been secured so far >for the two month exhibition. They include various crystal skulls, gold >models of aeroplanes from Peru, copies of reliefs of ancient `bulbs’ from >the Temple of Denderah in Egypt; carved stones from Ica, Peru, as well as >some quite remarkable pieces from private collections in Colombia, Ecuador >and Peru. >I have been invited to present a lecture at the opening seminar and have >also seen photographs of some of the artefacts to go on display, and >believe me you have just got see this lot. For instance, from Colombia >there are black stone surgical instruments fashioned into strange amphibian >like beasts with wavy blades, as well as strange carved disks with curious >stars and beasts and unfathomable cups. These last mentioned items are >fashioned from black stone. Yet incised, flush, into their surface are >circular specks of a red stone. They seem to spiral towards a centre which >is the only spot on the cup that it magnetic. Other similar vessels with >strange designs also have inexplicable magnetic qualities. >There is an eerie quality about some of these artefacts - something that >just does not compute with the mindset of the ancient world. For example, >the cult centre at Nevali Çori in southwest Turkey was constructed around >8000 BC. Yet its design resembles any place of worship built since that >time, for it has four walls, is rectilinear in shape, has a flat floor, an >entrance portal, niches, statues, and probably even an altar (as per >neighbouring Çayonu). The same format is still being used in the design of >churches, synagogues, shrines, temples and mosques today. Yet these items >from South America fit no known design ideology found among pre-Columbian >cultures, or any ancient world civilisation. There is a true mystery here >and it is one that might lead us to better identify traces of a lost >civilisation that may not have derived from the mindset of the ancient >world. I will bring you more news on this fascinating event as and when I >receive details. In the meantime visit their web site at >www.unsolved-mysteries.net or go to Eden, my own web site, at >www.andrewcollins.net which has a full report with pictures of some of the >artefacts to be featured in the exhibition. >ASHES CONFIRMATION >Another key lecture given at the San Marino conference in March was that by >Vittorio di Cesare, one of Italy’s top archaeologists. He started with an >account of the Dead Sea Community at Qumrân and the discovery in 1947 of >the Dead Sea Scrolls, hidden by members of the community in caves in an >attempt to preserve their history and teachings for future generations. >Di Cesare then turned his attention to one scroll in particular. Known to >Hebrew scholars as the Testament of Amram, it was written around 200 BC. He >said it concerned two strange beings that appeared to Amram, the father of >Moses. One was unnamed (although in my translation of the fragmentary text >he is identified as Michael or Melchizedek), while the other was Belial, >the teacher of the Children of Darkness. Amram is asked to choose between >the two, who represent, respectively, the truth and the lie. This was a >concept that came originally from the Iranian religion of Zoroastrianism. >It entered the Jewish religion at the time of the Babylonian captivity >following the conquest of Babylon in the mid sixth-century BC by the >Persians under Cyrus the Great. Yet it was the appearance of Belial that di >Cesare focused on. The being is said to have been dark with a viper-like >face and blazing eyes. Serpents, he said, are universally associated with >the principles of knowledge and wisdom. >Di Cesare showed next a slide of one of the snake-headed clay figurines >found with frequency by Sir Leonard Woolley alongside burials excavated >during the 1920s at sites in Lower Iraq. Many, for instance, were found in >cemeteries at Ur, the former great city identified by scholars as the >biblical `Ur of the Chaldees’. Since the level at which these figurines was >found corresponded to the time period in which Iraq was inhabited by the >so-called Ubaid peoples, who came originally from the Zagros mountains of >Kurdistan, it meant that they dated to c. 3500 BC (although di Cesare spoke >of them as dating to 6500 BC). Di Cesare said that mystery surrounded the >purpose of the statues, which showed males, females and females holding >babies. He suggested that they were buried in order to protect the souls of >the dead and to prevent the deceased from becoming victims of vampires, a >common belief among the peoples of ancient Iraq. >Di Cesare saw the Ubaid statues as representations of the same serpent-like >figure featured in the Testament of Amram. He went on to propose that these >beings were an actual race that lived in the Near East in prehistoric times >and were responsible for providing the knowledge of civilisation. All these >matters are dealt with in great detail within my own books FROM THE ASHES >OF ANGELS (1996) and GODS OF EDEN (1998). As you can imagine, I sensed what >only can be described as a slight case of déjà vu – the same feeling I >experienced when reading Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas’ book URIEL’S >MACHINE. >I listened carefully as di Cesare turned his attentions to the significance >played by the abstract eye goddess statues found at a temple site called >Tel Brak in northern Syria. These, he said, were yet another link to the >serpent cult. Yet he failed to note that the veneration of the eye in the >Near East derived from its associations with the vulture, the ultimate >symbol of the Neolithic cult of the dead, which went hand-in-hand with >serpentine symbolism. Di Cesare then showed slides of other `guardian’ >statues from Palestine, Syria and even Italy that bore a resemblance to the >Ubaid figurines, suggesting that these were likewise connected with the >same tradition. This is a matter I also deal with in FROM THE ASHES OF >ANGELS, published in Italy in 1997 under the title GLI ULTIMI DEI (‘The >Last Gods’) by Sperling and Kupfer. In here I point out that the beak-like >faces of these statues, some of which have cobra hoods (and are thus >representations of Astarte, the Canaanite form of Eve, the serpent mother >of the Nephilim), derive from the earlier association between serpents and >abstract vulture symbolism. Di Cesare went on to show a slide which >featured a group of Mesopotamian figurines that he said were Anunnaki, the >Sumerian pantheon of lesser gods. Like me, he too identified these beings >with the strange figures featured in the Testament of Amram and the Ubaid >serpent-faced figurines. >The only topic he subsequently covered which is not in FROM THE ASHES OF >ANGELS was the possible link between the serpent-like `guardians of >knowledge’, as he referred to them, and the phallic standing stones found >at many Canaanite and Phoenician sites in Syria and Lebanon (and generally >considered to be symbols of the goddess Asherah). He concluded his lecture >by saying that we have here evidence of a widespread cult which revered an >ancient race, connected with the symbol of the serpent and the eye and >thought to be the givers of ancient knowledge and wisdom. >As soon as Vittorio di Cesare came off stage I asked him if he was aware of >my own work on the same subject. From his reaction, this seemed not to be >the case. So I offered to send him Italian translations of both works as >quickly as possible (he has acknowledged receipt of them). Vittorio tells >me that he is preparing a book on the subject to be entitled GODS OF FIRE. >I have offered an introduction and wait intriguingly for new developments >in this area. I am left with the prospect that one of Italy’s most eminent >archaeologists has independently confirmed the existence of a previously >unrecognised race connected with serpentine symbolism and the spread of >ancient knowledge. As you will know, this shamanic ruling elite are to be >associated with the Watchers of Enochian/Dead Sea literature (and through >them the angels of Judeo-Christian tradition), the Ubaid statues of Lower >Iraq, the eye goddesses of ancient Syria and the Anunnaki of Mesopotamian >myth and legend. We must not forget, however, that some of these ideas, >especially the human origin of the Watchers of Eden and the Anunnaki, were >explored originally by Christian O’Brien in his landmark book GENIUS OF THE >FEW, first published in 1985. Yet I believe I was the first writer to >identify the Watchers as a shamanic ruling elite that controlled the spread >of the Neolithic revolution and paved the way for the foundations of >ancient world civilisation. >Check out my web site which now includes an in depth article on the history >and development of the Watchers of Eden. So until next time, Ciao for now. >Andrew Collins >PS. The UK hardback edition of GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS is now out of print with >no reprint due (although some first editions are still available in shops – >so snap them up!). The book will be available in the US, Italy, Holland and >Portugal either later this year or in early 2001. 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