Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-18 Thread Zuukie
-Caveat Lector- While looking over your links, I was struck by your use of Kevin MacDonald who in no way is a neutral source when it comes to the Jewish community. There are many historical reasons why Jews find themselves in the liberal camp without examining carefully as individuals their

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-18 Thread Brian Salter
-Caveat Lector- i'll check out these references. i'm not strongly endorsing macdonald; however having read some criticsm and counter-criticism, i'm not convinced he's anti-semitic. in fact, his academic work is devoted to ethnic particularism in general, and he has studied other diasporic

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-18 Thread Brian Salter
-Caveat Lector- On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 11:12 AM, Zuukie wrote: A great deal of the wealth created by the American capitalist economy has been accomplished by taking control of third world nations (see the references below), robbing their natural resources, installing murderous

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-18 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- One of the first things the Nazis did was to murder every socialist they could find. When leftists talk about socialism today they mean DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, with workers (including managers) having democratic control (one-person-one-vote, not one-dollar-one-vote as in the

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-18 Thread Brian Salter
-Caveat Lector- On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 08:25 AM, flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- One of the first things the Nazis did was to murder every socialist they could find. When leftists talk about socialism today they mean DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, with workers (including managers) having democratic

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-18 Thread Brian Salter
-Caveat Lector- On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Brian Salter wrote: regime. this connection is particularly notable in the writings of vilfredo pareto, a theorist who was influential in the development of fascism. oops, i didn't mean to say Pareto... i was thinking of Georges Sorel.

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-17 Thread Brian Salter
-Caveat Lector- i perceive a typically polarized argument going on here, so i'm going to interject some comments... just because i'm so damn sick and tired of both sides of the left-right culture war!!! On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I sent Mark's post

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-17 Thread Mark S Bilk
-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:07:30AM -0500 Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:07:30AM -0500, Zuukie wrote: I sent Mark's post to a number of people. Here is a response from one of them:

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-17 Thread Zuukie
-Caveat Lector- I truly am glad that you chose to reply, for whatever reason. You have elaborated very clearly and with wonderful documentation what I was trying to say in a less academic way, and for that I thank you. Having gone thru what might be called onion research, attempting to lift

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-17 Thread Zuukie
-Caveat Lector- Mark, I think your comments have been answered in a better way by others than I could do. However, I would like to add a few comments of my own. - Mark:Regardless of their party's name or the original beliefs of some of their members, Z: The I think the true believers among the

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-16 Thread Mark S Bilk
-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:43:49PM -0500 Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:43:49PM -0500, Zuukie wrote: ... I checked out your website and based on that and your comments you really are

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-16 Thread Zuukie
-Caveat Lector- I sent Mark's post to a number of people. Here is a response from one of them: Fascism is based on the ideal of National SOCIALISM. The only real difference between a Nazi and a Communist is that a Nazi believes that socialism can be achieved in a single nation while a communist

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-15 Thread Mark S Bilk
-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:53:54PM -0500 Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:53:54PM -0500, Zuukie wrote: ... This is one of the most vicious, anti-human, right-wing propaganda pieces I've

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

2003-06-15 Thread Zuukie
-Caveat Lector- Funny, I don't remember calling out the name Rumpelstilskin, but I guess I did that. By the way I wasn't quoting anyone. I checked out your website and based on that and your comments you really are into coveting. I would suggest you find out where in your area you can review