Re: [CTRL] Snvel snivel was Re: Echoes from the Past
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 11:52:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you seem to be stuck on dealing with the symptoms rather than the problem. comparable to putting a band-aid on a car wreck. you are right but you could be righter. your stand seems to subtract from the greater issues and irregardless of where you stand on this, you should be aware of who you are standing next to and mindful of whose company your opinions are keeping with. you are mostly right but there is a more central position. a warier eye chris My problem is perhaps jumping the gun too much when I see people making stupid comments in support of someone about which they know nothing and refuse to see the truth. People can label me all they want, but I am not a right winger, not racist, not any of the things mentioned above. I don't give a crap what people label me as. I just can't stand stupidity and sycophantic support. A more central view is one that would condemn all of this activity on all sides as I MOST DEFINITELY do. Much of what Jerry had to say, was probably correct in someone's viewpoint but I tend to just go after the stupidity. I can certainly get a handle on the idea that right wing radicals were behind the 60's "Jim Crow south", it is a fair characterization. It would also be a fair characterization to say that it was the "liberals" who did something to change that sorry state of affairs. BUT and here is the big issue for me. . .IT IS SHEER LUNACY to automatically support and sustain people simply because of idiotic notions of political parties and so-called social agenda BECAUSE some liberals were racist, and some radical right wing types were not. This is just one example, of many I could mention. Closer to this issue is; Why do the supporters of Clinton continue to support him in light of all of the evil surrounding him? ALSO; Why do so many who want to see him hang concentrate so much on the stupid issues of lying and sex charges and not on the real issues (in effect toting the Republican party line)? I am not a republican, and I support no agenda, sometimes I just respond too quickly to ridiculous and stupid comments from ass kissing idiots. Republicans are no better. Why don't we have referendum to remove all the assholes right now? Why aren't we pushing for in depth investigations on all of the traitors and treasonous scum who are in office right now (of which a majority are probably REPUBLICAN, if for no other reason than that they are the majority in office at this time, but more probably due to the fact that most democrats are in reality republican in philosophy, bearing in mind that these characterizations "republican" and "democrat" are just ways of describing a stereotypical philosophical viewpoint and in no way correspond to reality)? Why aren't the Hyde's and the Livingston's dragged screaming out into the light as well? There are agendae here that is a certainty and some radical right wingers are definitely after Clinton. That bothers me. I would like to tackle one problem at a time please. Let us get rid of Clinton, a person we very definitely have the goods on, THEN we can start again and go down the list till we get rid of all the mother***kers in office. In the end result though, nothing will happen and it will be business as usual, and really what good will it do to have Clinon removed? I am a big "principle" man, but I am also growing weary of this crap too. Does that clear things up about my position? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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From: Ben Masel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs Date: 09 Jun 93 16:58 PDT Subject: 4th Amendment Card Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] During the 6 mos last summer and fall during which i could not get my tailight to stay fixed i was pulled over a total of 14 times, asked for permission to search 11. I refused each time. I always had a large supply of the "Notice to Law Enforcement Officers" cards appended below, and explained to the officer that after producing and distributing thousands of them i could not set a bad example by consenting myself. Result... not one search. It helps that my long hair is streaked w grey. Cops tend to defer to the superior legal knowledge of anyone older than they are. It also helps to present an ACLU membership card, casting you as someone refusing not because of something to hide, but because of a fanatic dedication to the Constitution. __ NOTICE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS I do not consent to a search of my person, belongings, home, or vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment Rights, and all other Rights under the US and State Constitutions. Signature Date, time of notice (optional) ___ The 4th Amendment The right of the people to be secure in their person, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and siezures shall not be violated, and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be siezed. _
Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas talk in Los Angeles (spread the word)
-Caveat Lector- Kenn Thomas to appear at Kindred Spirits bookstore near LA. The author of Flying Saucers Over Los Angeles and the upcoming Maury Island UFO publisher of Steamshovel Press, the conspiracy magazine, will give a lecture/slide presentation on the connection between UFO lore and the history of covert intelligence, starting with the 1947 Maury Island UFO case, through Jim Garrison's investigation of the JFK assassination, to the Inslaw/Promis scandal of the 1990s. Learn how a closely tied group of covert operatives have figured into the most prominent events of parapoltical maniuplation of the 20th century. Thomas will also be on hand after the talk to answer questions and dialogue on all things conspiratorial. Copies of his book, Flying Saucers Over Los Angeles, and the latest issue of Steamshovel Press will be on sale. Saturday, January 9, 7:00 PM at the Kindred Spirits store at Ralph's Shopping Center, 813 W. Foothill Blvd. on the northwest corner of Foothill Blvd. and Mountain Ave. in Claremont, about 35 miles east of Los Angeles, surrounded by La Verne, Pomona, Montclair, Upland and Ontario. (see below for further directions) No admission charge. Call for more information: Kindred Spirits at 909-626-2434. or Greg Wright of the Art Bell Chat Club at 909-596-4968.--- From Los Angeles, go east on the I-10 to Towne Ave., exit and turn left, go north to Foothill Blvd., turn right and go east to Mountain Ave. (the next light; CAUTION: Avoid the Mountain Ave. that intersects Foothill Blvd. in Upland*), turn left and immediately turn left again into the shopping center parking lot. Kindred Spirits is on the right. * To undescore: the "Claremont" Mountain Ave. is between Towne Ave. and Indian Hill Blvd., which are exits from the San Bernardino = I-10 Freeway.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Brown Germany
-Caveat Lector- Whatever "was" was ... From wsws.org "" "The new consists in the fact that everything stays as it was" (Fischer, in an interview with the weekly newspaper Die Zeit). "" WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Germany The mask falls: Germany's Red-Green government and the bombing of Iraq By Ulrich Rippert 29 December 1998 Nothing has more clearly revealed the true nature of the German Red-Green (Social Democratic Party-Green Party) governing coalition than its support for the American bombing terror attack against Iraq. This action alone belies all the descriptions of the coalition as a "left government". What can one expect from a government which justifies the bombing of a former colonial land which has been bled white by years of economic sanctions, and repeats the most stupid and outrageous propaganda lies of the aggressor? How will such a government deal with its own people? According to the US Pentagon, during the 70 hours of air strikes over four nights, 100 targets were bombed. Some 415 cruise missiles were fired, including 325 Tomahawks from US war ships and 90 from fighter planes--more missiles than were launched in the entire gulf war of 1991. In addition, hundreds of bombs were dropped. The first estimates from the US military reported 28 targets destroyed and another 46 severely damaged. Iraqi officials claimed heavy civilian casualties. On the second day of the bombardment German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder declared that the military intervention was "the result of the stubborn refusal of Saddam Hussein to collaborate with the UN inspectors in controlling weapons of mass destruction". And further: "Our solidarity with our NATO partners is without question." The chairman of the Social Democratic (SPD) fraction in the Reichstag, Peter Struck, declared the military action to be "regrettable, but necessary". As to whether the German government would be prepared to give more extensive, active support, Defence Minister Sharping (SPD) declared there had been no requests in that direction and therefore such additional support was not a current issue for the government. However the chairman of the defence committee, Wieczorek (SPD), did not exclude the possibility of "logistical support". Anyone who expected criticism of the military action by the leading politicians of the Green Party was quickly disappointed. On the second day of bombing, during an official visit to Dublin, Foreign Minister Joseph Fischer appeared before cameras, furrowed his brow and assumed his very best posture as statesman. He proceeded to repeat the exact formulation used by then-Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1991 to justify German support for the gulf war: "Saddam Hussein bears full responsibility". His state minister, Ludger Vollmer, reckoned to be a "left" in the Greens, said on the same morning: " The government regrets that it has come to this military confrontation. Nevertheless, we say very clearly that the ultimate responsibility is born by Saddam Hussein." In its edition of December 18 the conservative newspaper Tagesspiegel commented: "As well the defence politician Angelika Beer, up until recently reckoned to be strongly left-orientated, framed her criticism in vocabulary faithful to the line of the coalition: apprehension, reservations, regret." The opportunism of the Greens is virtually boundless and takes increasingly bizarre forms. Twenty years ago this party appealed to many young people as an ecological and pacifist opposition movement. Now it is ready to agree to anything and everything. Even two years ago, if someone had predicted that the next German foreign minister would be called Fischer and that in his second month in office he would agree to an American attack on Iraq, that person would have been ridiculed and Fischer himself would have protested. Who does not recall the innumerable resolutions and endless debates in which the Greens emphasised their "pacifist principles" and pledged themselves to non-violence? "Make peace without weapons!" "Blue helmets yes--Green helmets no!" "Peace maintenance, but no peace at the price of military force!" etc., etc. Even their party programme of this year, agreed at their conference in Magdeburg, states: "Bundnis 90/The Greens refuse to support military peace missions and war interventions". Since their participation in the government, the Greens have demonstrated the hollowness of their protest politics of the past. They have no independent answer to the complex problems of society and adapt without a quiver to the political machinery in Bonn and Berlin. The same party that loudly proclaimed prior to the elections: "The change is to Green", declared after the election: "The new consists in the fact that everything stays as it was" (Fischer, in an interview with the weekly newspaper Die Zeit). Fischer is well acquainted with the strategic interests pursued by the American government with its provocative offensive. During the gulf war seven
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- Hey, Jerry! Polling is a "discipline"??? A discipline in high risk, high stakes deception maybe -- when practised by the Big 5 TV networks (FOX now aboard in that elite group). Also, your assertion that "the American people" "elected" Clinton twice is merely an act of faith on your part, as it has been made illegal in every state but New Hampshire to exersize citizen checks and balances on the computerized vote count. That's right, just like in tin horn dictatorships, or Communist countries, any American citizen who tries to double check the vote at the neighborhood precinct will be met with police power and eventually arrested if they insist. First to polling: Who are these polling "practitioners" who know the "ins and outs"?? Please read SuperPollsters: How They Measure and Manipulate Public Opinion in America by David W. Moore, who himself has been a pollster for 26 years. The book is endorsed by David Broder of the Washington Post, so it can hardly be dismissed by people like yourself, who believe that the polls are "scientific." Here is a sentence from the concluding paragraphs of the book: "There is still a tendency for media polls to create the illusion of public opinion, by asking forced-choice questions on some topics that are unfamiliar to most people. And public opinion about most topics is not as fully explored as it was for the Persian Gulf War, often resulting in misleading conclusions about its stability and precision." end of quote. And then the concluding sentence ends with, " . . . polling can, indeed, provide a continuous monitoring of the elusive pulse of democracy. More or less." This is the polling industry speaking. I charge without doubt that the polling by the 5 Big TV networks on Clinton is weighted and dishonest. Who are they polling? Exactly how is the poll conducted? It's permissable to question and scrutinize ANYTHING in the election process EXCEPT 1) How polls are done and who is polled; 2) how the votes are "counted" by the computer programs (I have yet to talk to one county official who signs election results as "true" who can even name the person who programmed the computer which counted the votes!!!) and yet, we are supposed to run our entire country based on these daily polls, and the computerized vote counting, -- and also on that complete hoax known as "exit polling" The ENTIRE argument of the sorry rabble of Clintonistes on the talk shows is -- THE POLLS and the COMPUTERIZED VOTE COUNTS of the last two Presidential elections. What a gullible nation we have become. I'm sorry to have to refer to my own website, but www.networkamerica.org contains much much more information on the unverifiable and riggable nature of exit polls and computerized voting, as well as numerous referrals to experts and articles (some in the establishment press) which back up the position I have stated above. I list 4 or 5 of them below for those who won't have time to do further research. Furthermore: Howard Phillips of Conservative Caucus published that his wife was called for a poll on Clinton, -- but the pollsters exited the phone call after she answered to one of the "lead in" questions/comments by stating that she was not "the lady head of the house", but her husband was head of the house. A caller on WLW radio (50,000 watt clear channel voice, Cincinnati, Ohio) on Saturday morning December 26 relayed that his sister in Georgia was called for a poll about Clinton, but hung up on when she said she had not voted for Clinton. These are anecdotal, but one would be stretching to dismiss them out of hand. Is any rational person supposed to believe that while 60% of the voting public voted against Clinton, that 70% now support him even after he's shown to be an adulterer, liar, perjurer . . .? Right. WHO ARE THE BIG MEDIA-paid POLLSTERS POLLING? The Big Media really blew its cover when it published on the day after the first wave of recent Iraq bombings -- that 70% of the people thought there was no connection between the imminent impeachment vote and the sudden Iraq bombings Right. Who in hades are these big media-paid pollsters polling? And, you are on a conspiracy research list, and you're putting out the bunk that Clinton is the one responsible for the economy? He's giving the Alan Greenspan crowd, The Ruling Elite, what they want, and Greenspan keeps the interest rates down. Also, the economy is only great for the Vultures on Wall Street, the average working man is groaning under unnecessary debt artificially created by even the "low" interest rates we have, and the ungodly tax burden. Back to Polls, -- It's now come out that Congressional mail in most offices is running 2 to 1 FOR impeachment/removal! Every "call in" poll from AOL to talk show stations which I've heard about -- reports a 2 to 1 margin for impeachment/removal. Oh, I forgot, these polls are "unscientific." I say they are MORE scientific than the BIg Media Polls because at least
Re: [CTRL] Brown Germany
-Caveat Lector- Germany's occupational government's support of the Iraq bombing just shows that the dominant worldwide Jewish Lobby controls Germany, along with the government of Great Britain, the USA, and Canada. That's all. Don't get too bogged down with whether the government is superficially called, Democrat, Republican, a combination of the two, Social Democrat, Green-Red, etc. Don't be afraid to emulate the Scare Crow in the Wizard of OZ, pull back the curtain and see who's really animating the Great OZ (these governments). It must also be mentioned that much credit and thanks must be given to those Jewish scholars and groups bucking the Judeo-Masonic Ruling Elite, such as those who put out the excellent MER list on the internet. Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:33 AM, Alamaine Ratliff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Whatever "was" was ... From wsws.org "" "The new consists in the fact that everything stays as it was" (Fischer, in an interview with the weekly newspaper Die Zeit). "" WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Germany The mask falls: Germany's Red-Green government and the bombing of Iraq By Ulrich Rippert 29 December 1998 Nothing has more clearly revealed the true nature of the German Red-Green (Social Democratic Party-Green Party) governing coalition than its support for the American bombing terror attack against Iraq. This action alone belies all the descriptions of the coalition as a "left government". What can one expect from a government which justifies the bombing of a former colonial land which has been bled white by years of economic sanctions, and repeats the most stupid and outrageous propaganda lies of the aggressor? How will such a government deal with its own people? According to the US Pentagon, during the 70 hours of air strikes over four nights, 100 targets were bombed. Some 415 cruise missiles were fired, including 325 Tomahawks from US war ships and 90 from fighter planes--more missiles than were launched in the entire gulf war of 1991. In addition, hundreds of bombs were dropped. The first estimates from the US military reported 28 targets destroyed and another 46 severely damaged. Iraqi officials claimed heavy civilian casualties. On the second day of the bombardment German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder declared that the military intervention was "the result of the stubborn refusal of Saddam Hussein to collaborate with the UN inspectors in controlling weapons of mass destruction". And further: "Our solidarity with our NATO partners is without question." The chairman of the Social Democratic (SPD) fraction in the Reichstag, Peter Struck, declared the military action to be "regrettable, but necessary". As to whether the German government would be prepared to give more extensive, active support, Defence Minister Sharping (SPD) declared there had been no requests in that direction and therefore such additional support was not a current issue for the government. However the chairman of the defence committee, Wieczorek (SPD), did not exclude the possibility of "logistical support". Anyone who expected criticism of the military action by the leading politicians of the Green Party was quickly disappointed. On the second day of bombing, during an official visit to Dublin, Foreign Minister Joseph Fischer appeared before cameras, furrowed his brow and assumed his very best posture as statesman. He proceeded to repeat the exact formulation used by then-Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1991 to justify German support for the gulf war: "Saddam Hussein bears full responsibility". His state minister, Ludger Vollmer, reckoned to be a "left" in the Greens, said on the same morning: " The government regrets that it has come to this military confrontation. Nevertheless, we say very clearly that the ultimate responsibility is born by Saddam Hussein." In its edition of December 18 the conservative newspaper Tagesspiegel commented: "As well the defence politician Angelika Beer, up until recently reckoned to be strongly left-orientated, framed her criticism in vocabulary faithful to the line of the coalition: apprehension, reservations, regret." The opportunism of the Greens is virtually boundless and takes increasingly bizarre forms. Twenty years ago this party appealed to many young people as an ecological and pacifist opposition movement. Now it is ready to agree to anything and everything. Even two years ago, if someone had predicted that the next German foreign minister would be called Fischer and that in his second month in office he would agree to an American attack on Iraq, that person would have been ridiculed and Fischer himself would have protested. Who does not recall the innumerable resolutions and endless debates in which the Greens emphasised their "pacifist principles" and pledged themselves to non-violence? "Make peace without weapons!" "Blue helmets yes--Green helmets no!"
[CTRL] FW: MER Magazine - July 1997 - [MER FlashBack]
-Caveat Lector- Thought some of you might like to know how to get info from the MER (Mid-East Realities) group. -Original Message- From: MER FlashBack [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:MER Magazine - July 1997 - [MER FlashBack] _ M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S : IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU DON'T GET IT! "THE MOST UNIQUE, INTERESTING AND WORTHWHILE MIDDLE EAST PUBLICATION ON THE INTERNET." Read the hundreds of Readers' Comments from Throughout the World at: http://WWW.MIDDLEEAST.ORG/commentsx.htm ** NOTE TO READERS: Many of the thousands of persons and organizations now receiving MER began doing so in recent months. We have now arranged past MER articles into monthly on-line magazines; and during this period when regular pubication of MER is suspended we will be publishing Monthly Table of Contents from the past. Just click on the link indicated and you can easily read any of the articles mentioned. ** M E R M O N T H L Y M A G A Z I N E J U L Y1 9 9 7 http://www.MiddleEast.Org/july97.htm T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S : "SlaughterHouse" in Persian Gulf Predicted "Watch Me Bleed" - Palestinian Poem Israeli Mole In Washington? Bibi YES, Edward Said NO War Ahead In Mid-East? Algeria - Gross Injustice Prevails: MER Editorial What To Do? - MER Editorial Hey Newt! What's That About Nazi Behavior? America - Tormenter of the Palestinians Surprise Attack Coming? Israeli Torture Systematic and "Legal" Trump, Jerusalem Miss Universe Jordanian 'Democracy' A Myth...and Rami Khouri Free Vanunu Now ** To find out how to receive MER regularly email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S POBOX 18367 - Washington, DC 20036 202 362-5266 Fax: 202 362-6965 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://WWW.MIDDLEEAST.ORG DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
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On Sunday, December 27, 1998 9:39 AM, KA [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Jim Condit Jr. wrote:
over by the Roman Catholic Church . . . with the result that the world
became civilized.
THAT's debatable!
Debatable, yes, but I submit we're coasting on the civilization brought to
the world by the Roman Catholic Church between 4th and 14th century (one
hundred years or so before Apostate priest Luther started changing the
Bible which the Catholic monks of the Middle ages had preserved after the
Catholic Popes (Damascus I to Gregory the Great) compiled and St. Jerome
translated.) Now, as paganism revives, civilization is in a free-fall.
And now the forces of neo-paganism with their birth
prevention (anti-baby) pills, abortion, "mercy" killing and the whole
mix,
Hogwash. I know plenty of 'neo pagans', including Wiccans, who don't
believe in abortion nor euthanasia...and plenty of Roman Catholics who
do...
I know you're right about the traitorous, apostate Roman Catholics (many
too dumb and shallow to know of their infidelity) and don't know any
Wiccans --- but as I understand it, both are simply in contradiction of
their professed group's doctrine.
Are you telling us you are against birth control pills, too?
Absolutely. Better to call them birth prevention pills, or anti-baby pills.
They do tremendous harm to women, too. This is where the many Protestant
religions bit the dust (again) in following the demonic Margaret Sanger,
while the Roman Catholic Church has been consistent and held firm. (All
Protestant religions in the USA, except the liberal plants like
Unitarianism) were anti-birth control in 1930, for instance.
Many neo-pagans think they have a great "find" when they reveal that
many
cultures have the story of a Savior, and mother and child "team" like
Jesus
and Mary, etc. Did it ever occur to any of these neo-pagans that the
ONLY
way these "legends" could have appeared in so many cultures is that they
have a common source? And that source was the promise of a Savior for
mankind passed on by Noah after the great flood.
Then explain to us the flood legends which come to us from civilizations
which PRE-DATE Noah? ;-)
OK. I should have said that Adam and Eve were promised a Savior, and that
the promise they passed on got distorted in many cultures up to the time of
Noah -- but you have to sometimes try to cut these posts short when you
think you've made the essential point.
Let alone the 'saviour' legends which also come from those pre-Noah
cultures...
Same deal -- or are you suggesting that "evolution" planted these notions
in widely diverse peoples, all getting the idea independently, or what are
you suggesting regarding the prevalence of the Savior or the Mother/Child
team legends found in so many cultures?
And those who believe that Jesus is a myth, might try to explain the
Shoud
of Turin, which still defies all explanations despite Ruling Elite
attempts
There are as many scientific studies debunking the shroud as supporting
the theory that it's Jesus' actual shroud...it all boils down to FAITH...
I don't think so. They can't reproduce the shroud today, despite much
high-falutin bunk that hopes you infer that they can. Also, the Shroud had
certain pollens in it that were only found in the Mid-east area.
It is by FAITH alone that one is saved, not by turning THINGS into icons
and worshipping them...
Here, here; so true. Who said anything about worshiping icons? Material
things or signs are sometimes given to strengthen Faith. But, check out St.
Paul, you need to believe with a Divine Faith, and you need to believe what
Christ taught " . . . he who hears the Church (singular), hears Me." It's
in St. Mark and elsewhere. It is blasphemy to believe that the Holy Ghost
inspires dozens of "churches" which contradict themselves on the most basic
points, such as what it takes to be saved. God is truth, and not a bundle
of contradictions. One Faith, one Church, one magisterial voice, one flock,
one Shepherd.
Incorruptibles, (see book by Joan Carroll), etc. and so on. As Joe
Sobran
said, if you think that Jesus was a hoax, consider that His words are
still
be quoted 2000 years later ---
And how long have the Buddha's words been quoted...or those of the
Hindus...or of Confuscius, or Lao-Tze? All those religions have been
around much longer than Christianity...
Good point. But I believe all those religions are based on real men, not on
hoaxes. It's only Christ that claims to have risen from the dead. The
others didn't dare, or didn't think to make such claims. :^)Jim Condit
Jr.
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Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on MSNBC Cable
-Caveat Lector- Flynt: ... As far as the investigators that I have on the payroll, if they know people in the White House, thats a very possibility, but I have no contact with the White House. So he can truthfully say he has no contact with the White House -- while those whom he employs CAN possibly have contact...he sounds like he went to the same parsing English classes as the prez... It's highly unlikely that anyone at the WH has direct contact with Penthouse or Flynt, either...but that's not to say that those whom the WH employs to conduct it's 'dirty tricks' don't... Flynt: Look, all I know is that we hired a firm in Washington that is made up of former FBI and CIA operatives, that are assisting in the investigation, and we have two of the most respected investigative journalists in the business, but they would only take this assignment with a deal of anonymity. And one has to wonder if this investigative firm has contacts in/with the WH... Flynt: Ive never met Clinton. Ive never been to the White House. I have no contacts with the White House. But his employees DO... June === Ring out the old, ring in the new, Ring happy bells, across the snow; The year is going, let him go; Ring out the false, ring in the true. -- Tennyson: In Memoriam === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Snvel snivel was Re: Echoes from the Past
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smooth move from republicans and lying and blow jobs to sixties liberals fighting against the dreaded "Jim Crow south." Especially considering that those very same Jim Crow laws were kept in effect by southern Democrats, who firmly controlled the south... June === Ring out the old, ring in the new, Ring happy bells, across the snow; The year is going, let him go; Ring out the false, ring in the true. -- Tennyson: In Memoriam === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Armand Hammer
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.larouchepub.com/lar_olympus_2537.html On the role of U.S. Vice-President Al Gore, see Jonathan Broder, "Who Lost Russia?" in Salon magazine, Sept. 1, 1998. Through his father, former Senator Al Gore, and his father's sponsor, triply "designated personality" Armand (e.g., named as "Arm-and-Hammer," as in baking soda, or Socialist Labor Party) Hammer, Gore has close connections to the creation of Russia's present financier oligarchy. Hammer, long a triple agent of the U.S.A., the British monarchy, and the Soviet apparatus, was a key connection to the faction of the late Yuri Andropov and Andropov's Hammer-linked protégé, Mikhail Gorbachev. The source featured by Salon, is Stephen Cohen, a specialist on the subject of one-time Soviet dictator N. Bukharin. Cohen et al., recognize that Gore's current Russia policies are a continuation of former President George Bush's; Cohen makes implicitly clear that he sees the onrushing doom of Chernomyrdin's policies as an echo of the downfall of the Soviet NEP, dictator Bukharin, and Bukharin's leading U.S. agent, Jay Lovestone, at the close of the 1930s. from: http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/09/01newsa.html Who Lost Russia? - BY JONATHAN BRODER snip No one in Washington has yet publicly raised the question of who lost Russia, but scholars and experts who follow Russia for a living accept with a sort of weary resignation that such a debate is now inevitable and could claim victims in the administration. If it comes to that, some of these scholars say, the first to wear a scarlet "R" on his forehead will be Vice President Al Gore, the administration's most outspoken proponent of the reforms that have decimated the Russian economy and fomented the current political crisis. "The front guy in the administration is Gore," Cohen said in an interview with Salon, noting the vice president co-chairs the U.S.-Russia commission on reform with now-acting Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin. "That's been his baby. Of course you can't find him now. He's hiding. This will hurt him in the presidential primaries when Democratic challengers say this policy was Gore's and he'll have to take responsibility." Other scholars reject the question itself. "Russia was never ours to lose," says Marshall Goldman, a Russian specialist at Harvard University. "It's the Russians who lost Russia. We worked on the margins. We gave them advice. But we didn't force them to adopt it. We always do this, torture ourselves about who lost Russia, who lost China. It's a mistake." Cohen says Russia probably will have to return to some form of state-controlled economy to weather the current crisis. During the Great Depression, he notes, President Franklin Roosevelt used the government to put Americans back to work, and it is not unreasonable for Russia to do the same. The problem today arises, he says, when these practical solutions run up against the "monetarist orthodoxy" that has become the ideological fashion of the times. "The danger is that the United States will start screaming, 'Communism! communism!'" Cohen says. "That kind of a debate will be completely dysfunctional. We have to open our mind and say to the Russians, 'OK, the policy that we recommended to you failed. Let us hear what you propose. We'll try to help you. We will not scream that this is a return to communism because we realize that the Russian state has got to reenter the world economy. It's got to come back from this crisis and stabilize things." But even as Cohen and other scholars warn against the dangers of an ideological debate over Russia, they cannot resist some finger-pointing themselves. The story of America's current involvement with Russia, they note, goes back to the Bush administration, which formulated the policies when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. In the wake of that historic moment, then-Secretary of State James Baker toured the former Soviet republics and got the leaders of those countries to sign onto a 14-point "bill of rights" that allowed them to qualify for American assistance. But American aid back then was counter-productive, says Barry Ickes, a Russian expert at Penn State. "It consisted of subsidies for imported food, which Russia didn't need," he says. "At that point, a ruble stabilization fund would have helped. But that would have had to have been combined with policies that closed down money-losing industries. And that simply didn't happen." While American champions of Russian reform like Harvard's Jeffrey Sachs argued strenuously for greater loans from the International Monetary Fund for ruble stabilization, experts like Goldman argued against it. "They couldn't have absorbed it," he said, reflecting on conditions in Russia back then. "They didn't have the institutions. There would have been even more capital flight." Joining Goldman were scholars like Cohen and Peter Reddaway at George Washington University, who warned against a
[CTRL] Review: Dossier--Secret History of Armand Hammer
-Caveat Lector- Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer - by Edward Jay Epstein From Stefan Lemieszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:25 GMT Newsgroups soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.europe Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Among other things, Armand Hammer is also known for delivering out of the Soviet Union, the KGB-forged Trawniki identification card used in the John Demjanjuk case. Armand Hammer was a philanthopist, KGB agent, money launderer, executive at Occidental Petroleum, and "great pretender." Armand Hammer's father, Julius Hammer, was a co-founder of the Communist Party - USA. "Hammer not only lived a lie; he died one." Below is a book review by Tony Allen-Mills of "Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer" written by Edward Jay Epstein. Stefan Lemieszewski - March 15 1998 The Sunday Times BOOK REVIEWS The great pretender Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer by Edward Jay Epstein Onion business £14.99 pp 418 By Tony Allen-Mills In May 1977, the Prince of Wales attended the opening in London of an exhibition of Sir Winston Churchill's paintings and watercolours. He was introduced to the gallery's owner, a formidable American business tycoon, art collector and philanthropist named Armand Hammer, then 79 years old. Hammer promptly offered the Prince one of his Churchill paintings as a gift for the Queen's Silver Jubilee fund. It was the beginning of an unusual friendship between the heir to the British throne and a man who would later be exposed as one of the great frauds of the 20th century. As soon as Hammer learnt that one of Charles's hobbies was painting watercolours, he arranged for the prince to take lessons from a well-known American artist. The multi-millionaire oilman, head of Occidental Petroleum, began to make large donations to charitable causes supported by Charles. He proudly described their relationship as "a deeply cherished and wide-ranging friendship". When, two years later, Charles's beloved Uncle Dickie - his great-uncle, Earl Mountbatten - was murdered by the IRA, Hammer stepped in to help the prince realise one of the earl's last unfulfilled dreams. Both Charles and Mountbatten had been avid supporters of the United World Colleges, the international campuses that combine academic study with outward-bound-style physical training. Mountbatten had long been trying to raise enough money to open a new campus in the United States. Now Hammer opened his wallet to assist the grieving prince. In September 1982, Charles boarded Hammer's private jet to fly to Montezuma, New Mexico for the grand opening of the Armand Hammer United World College of the American West. It had cost Hammer nearly $5m to complete the project, but his reward was beyond price. He had become a close friend of the future King of England and his new bride, Diana. There was even talk of Hammer becoming a godfather to the couple's first child. What Charles could not have known was that much of the money for the school he called his "impossible dream" came from a slush fund established to pay bribes to the corrupt middlemen who had arranged Occidental's oil concessions in Libya. Nor can the prince have been aware that his wealthy American friend was a KGB stooge, whose art and business empires had long provided a convenient conduit for the laundering of Kremlin funds used to finance Soviet espionage activities. All this and much more is laid bare in Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer, by Edward Jay Epstein. Hammer died of cancer aged 92 in 1990, fondly imagining that the sordid details of his astonishing life of myth, fakery and deceit would be buried with him in his family mausoleum in Los Angeles. He reckoned without Epstein's audacious sleuthing through almost a century's worth of family papers, government archives, court files and secret tapes, not to mention the bitter recollections of some of the mistresses and illegitimate children Hammer discarded along the way. The result is one of the great demolition jobs of modern biography: a jaw-dropping exposé of a ruthless charlatan who bullied and betrayed his way to an imposing reputation as a billionaire patron of the arts with a long list of powerful friends. Epstein's painstaking research strips layer after layer of criminal sham and pretence from a bogus tycoon's self-aggrandising perfidy. If it is any consolation to Buckingham Palace, the Prince of Wales was far from alone in being played by Hammer as a sucker. Hammer first became known in American business circles as the Soviet Union's "First Capitalist". His father, Julius Hammer, was born in the Jewish ghetto of Odessa. Moving from Czarist Russia to New York in
[CTRL] Gore Sr. was Armand Hammer's Lawyer
-Caveat Lector- "Elder Gore's Legacy" From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (True Facts) Organization Pencils for Lenin Date Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:33:54 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.politics.media Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gore Sr. was Armand Hammer's Lawyer. Gore Sr. negotiated for Occidental's purchase of Oil from the then unknown Muammar Qaddafi in Libya. This involved deals with ROGER TAMRAZ. Gore Sr. kept shady big-bucks oil man Armand Hammer out of trouble on more than one occasion. Consider the following from "The Dark Side of Power, the Real Armand Hammer" by Blumay Edwards, Simon Schuster, ISBN 0-671-70053-7 "...Senator Albert Gore, Sr. of Tennessee, a loyal friend who had defended Armand against acussations of attempted bribery on the floor of the U.S. Senate." p. 57 "Senator Albert Gore Sr. became a close friend and business associate [of Armand Hammer], and was rewarded when he left office with a highly paid executive position at Occidental" (The above is part of the caption under a picture in the center of the book of the entire Gore family sitting at pool side with Mr. Hammer) In 1989 a class-action suit was filed against Occidental, and look who shows up in the middle of it: "The Wall Street Journal reported that the committee was chaired by former Senator Albert Gore, Sr., and that Gore `appears to have misunderstood the project' and those `facts' that had surfaced during litigation." p. 448 side-note; Anyone have a copy of Armand Hammer's autobiography? I threw mine away in disgust at its self-praising tone...anyway in that book Armand said that when Love Canal news broke he needed his best lawyer on that job...who did he send? Tree-hugger Algore's dad that's who! This needs looking into and would make great ad spots during Algore's bid for the presidency. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Real Al Gore Sr.
-Caveat Lector- And you want Al Gore Jr. for your president? From Justice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:16:45 -0800 Newsgroups talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boy are we in a world of shit! __ The Real Al Gore Sr. Some people will no doubt object to this column. After all, you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead -- especially the recent dead. But with all the flowery tributes to Al Gore Sr. in the last few days, I figure somebody has to speak the truth about this man who, in his lifetime, collaborated with and profited handsomely from evil. Vice President Al Gore eulogized his father Tuesday as a politician driven by "conscience" who never forgot his humble upbringing and always tried to help others. "Dad, your whole life has been an inspiration,'' Gore said, his voice cracking slightly. I believe Al Jr. when he says that. And it scares the hell out of me. To appreciate what I'm about to tell you with regard to Al Gore Sr., you first must familiarize yourself with a man by the name of Armand Hammer -- worth more than a few columns himself. Hammer was a personal friend of V.I. Lenin. He was known as Lenin's "path" to America's financial resources -- in other words, the guy who would sell us the rope with which we would be hanged. Hammer was the first Western businessman to participate in KGB-controlled joint ventures in the Soviet Union. The son of Julius Hammer, a founder of the Socialist Labor Party and later the Communist Party USA who served time in Sing Sing for performing illegal abortions, Armand was called the "Capitalist Prince" by the KGB. Hammer dutifully served the Soviets for seven decades and became the first -- and only -- American capitalist to be awarded the Order of Lenin. Edward J. Epstein's "Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer" is must reading for anyone who wants to understand how so-called "capitalists" like Hammer can serve as willing and able tools of revolutionary Marxists and global socialists. Lenin told Stalin about Hammer: "This is a small path leading to the American 'business' world, and this path should be made use of in every way." To the Soviet Union in his day, Hammer was a figure with much in common with the contemporary spy-cum-billionaire Mochtar Riady -- doing the bidding of socialist tyrants -- and making a bundle in the process. Hammer was part-time spy, part-time money-launderer, part-time industrialist -- but a full-time traitor to the United States of America. But I digress. The story for today is how Hammer's corrupt, evil career was aided in numerous ways by Vice President Al Gore's Daddy, who was a partner in various Hammer enterprises for more than four decades. As Epstein documents in "Dossier," the elder Gore helped Hammer make connections with a series of U.S. presidents and used his influence to help Hammer's Occidental Petroleum company gain access to foreign political leaders. But, most importantly, it was Gore who helped stop the FBI from pursuing an investigation of the industrialist as a Soviet agent of influence. It seems Al Gore Sr. knew something about "controlling legal authorities" and obstruction of justice himself. Like father, like son.
[CTRL] Hoffman/LaRouche--Same Line
-Caveat Lector- Hoffman Wire has been "hammering" Gore much longer than LaRouche. Here's a copy of something he put out in February: == Re: Trent Lott Speaks of "Sellout," but he's guilty of it From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark C. Craig) Organization Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Date 26 Feb 1998 19:03:33 GMT Newsgroups alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.conspiracy,alt.journalism,talk.politics.mide ast,soc.culture.palestine,alt.revisionism Message-ID 6d4ea5$7ng$[EMAIL PROTECTED] References 1 DON'T FORGET THE OIL COMPANIES! In a previous article, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael A. Hoffman II) says: THE HOFFMAN WIRE. Feb. 26, 1998. Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor -- Trent Lott and his Prey The Republican "opposition" led by Senate leader Trent Lott of Mississippi is trying to surpass the Democrats in slavish devotion to foreign policy in the Israeli interest. Lott calls the UN-brokered agreement with Saddam "a sellout." When did we last hear those stirring words from Republicans? Surely not when the U.S. and Britain sold out the white republic of South Africa. But then that sellout happened to be approved by Harry Oppenheimer of DeBeers Inc. and Joe Slovo, the Yiddish-speaking Communist who masterminded the ANC's terror-bombing campaign. Having the kosher stamp of approval, the reversion of South Africa to the Dark Ages was fine with the U.S. Republican leadership. No chin jutting declarations, no lines in the sand drawn there. But all the cliches of jingoism are being reanimated by the Republican neo-cons now, as they make fidelity to Zionist interests with regard to Iraq, the top priority of the United States of America--even as they claim to be tax-cutters and "fiscal conservatives." According to the Feb. 26 New York Times: "Deputy Defense Secretary John Hamre told reporters Wednesday morning that the military buildup in the gulf has cost the Pentagon $600 million more than it had budgeted for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1. "But that figure is still rising. The administration is expected to request next month that Congress approve an emergency supplemental appropriation of at least $1.2 billion for military operations in Bosnia and the Persian Gulf." [End quote] Of course it doesn't "cost the Pentagon," it costs the taxpayers and "$600 million more" doesn't tell us what the operation has cost from the beginning. The establishment media have been reluctant to report the full price tag. This writer has heard a figure of $100 million a day. Now an additional $1.2 billion is to be sought. How ironic that the Republicans, with their solecistic hectoring in the Senate of Lilliput, mimic the rhetoric of defiant patriotism in service to their party's boot-licking fealty to Israeli interests. The Founders never intended for our Republic to be the Policeman of the World. Heck, we can't even police our border with Mexico. But we police Israel's with the zeal of a lap dog. Americans are being told we can't any longer afford quality medical care, social security, mass transit passenger trains or even to properly maintain the monuments of our past, such as the Gettysburg National Battlefield. But we can always afford serving as Sugar-Daddy to the Zionists. Trent Lott may rattle his macho saber and yammer about a "sellout" all he likes. In truth, he's the one selling us out, as he pees in his pants before the power of the Jewish lobby. "Here relentless ruffians lay, And here the fell Republican prowls for prey, Here a falling nation thunders on your head, And here a media pundit talks you dead." [with apologies to Samuel Johnson] -- Now available-Michael A. Hoffman II's Revisionist History #5 HAMMERED! The Inside Story of the Top Communist Operative Who Groomed Al Gore to Rule a Soviet America This is the most comprehensive investigative report on Armand Hammer and Al Gore Jr. in print. Section headings include: I. KGB Asset Al Gore Sr. II. Gore, Hammer and Gadhafi. III. Learning Lenin's Iron Law of Conspiracy. IV. Operation Elders of Zion. V. Zion's Stealth Candidate. As the Clinton administration sinks under a load of scandal, all eyes are focused on his possible successor. But the skeletons in Gore's own closet may prove to be the far greater liability. Not available online. Hardcopy only. Revisionist History newsletter Issue #5. "Hammered!" $6.50 postpaid. Independent History, Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, ID 83816. (Overseas send U.S.$10). == The preceding information is courtesy of THE HOFFMAN WIRE. Michael A.
Re: [CTRL] FW: 'Holiday' greetings
-Caveat Lector- Beautiful! I love you, Jim! The same to you! Godspeed! The OUTLAWLADY Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Kalivas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 1998 8:54 AM To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject:'Holiday' greetings Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all . . . and... a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 1999, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions have helped make America great (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, or choice of computer platform of the wishee. (By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms: This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.) This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the discretion of the wisher.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LaRouchies On Warpath Against Algore
-Caveat Lector- From Wash. Times Politics Section, 12/29/98 LaRouche resurfaces Lyndon LaRouche's movement will release a dossier today exposing Vice President Al Gore's "co-presidency plot" as a threat to national security. LaRouche backers will hold a noon rally outside Friends of Al Gore Inc., at 1800 K Street NW, shouting slogans like "Stop the coup!" and "Al Gore and Tony Blair must go!" and "Bring in LaRouche as President Clinton's economics adviser!" A peek inside the dossier reveals, "Why Al Gore is unelectable in 2000." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Social Security system ready for Year 2000 - NOT!
-Caveat Lector- Interesting essay regarding SSA and Y2K. flw Social Security at Risk from the Y2K Domino Effect By Jim Lord June1, 1998 Every enterprise is dependent on the Y2K compliance of its suppliers and service providers and the Social Security Administration (SSA) is no exception. Among all federal agencies, SSA is universally recognized as the Y2K leader within the US government. They started their Year 2000 repair efforts in 1989 after a major system failed. As a result of this early start, they will almost certainly have their computers completely ready for the date change deadline. This is, of course, great news for tens of millions of people who are dependent on Social Security for their basic income. Or is it? The fact is, because of the way they do business, the Y2K readiness of the Social Security Administration might not matter. You see, SSA doesn't make payments directly to Grandma or any of the other 50 million Social Security beneficiaries. Instead, they send a list over to another agency called the Financial Management Service (FMS), a little known part of the Treasury Department. FMS sends the actual checks or, if payment is made by direct deposit, they electronically send the money to Grandma's bank account. According to an article in the April 1, 1998 issue of the Year 2000 Law Report here's what Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin said about the FMS in testimony before a House Subcommittee: "(T)he only bureau left with truly serious (Y2K) issues is (FMS). That bureau, which handles a wide range of financial transactions for almost every government agency - including the administration of the Electronic Federal Tax Payment System - continues to be 'the area we're most concerned about.'" Well, those aren't very comforting words. Even worse, that's just half of the equation - the output side. Take a look at the input to the SSA "engine." You know all that money you've been paying into Social Security all these years? Well, it doesn't go to the Social Security Administration at all, it just goes into the General Fund, which includes income tax money and other revenues. And every dollar of it has to go through those REALLY old computers over at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The ones that GAO says are among the most serious Y2K risks in the entire federal government. Even if SocialSecurity gets their computers fixed the system might fail because there isn't any money coming in or there's no way to get the payments out. It doesn't matter what any government agency (or business for that matter) says about their own internal Y2K readiness. If they haven't tested their systems with all of their interconnections and dependencies on customers, suppliers, vendors, and service providers, they are not yet prepared for the date The fact is, because of the way they do business, the Y2K readiness of the Social Security Administration might not matter. You see, SSA doesn't make payments directly to Grandma or any of the other 50 million Social Security beneficiaries. Instead, they send a list over to another agency called the Financial Management Service (FMS), a little known part of the Treasury Department. FMS sends the actual checks or, if payment is made by direct deposit, they electronically send the money to Grandma's bank account. According to an article in the April 1, 1998 issue of the Year 2000 Law Report here's what Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin said about the FMS in testimony before a House Subcommittee: "(T)he only bureau left with truly serious (Y2K) issues is (FMS). That bureau, which handles a wide range of financial transactions for almost every government agency - including the administration of the Electronic Federal Tax Payment System - continues to be 'the area we're most concerned about.'" Well, those aren't very comforting words. Even worse, that's just half of the equation - the output side. Take a look at the input to the SSA "engine." You know all that money you've been paying into Social Security all these years? Well, it doesn't go to the Social Security Administration at all, it just goes into the General Fund, which includes income tax money and other revenues. And every dollar of it has to go through those REALLY old computers over at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The ones that GAO says are among the most serious Y2K risks in the entire federal government. Even if Social Security gets their computers fixed the system might fail because there isn't any money coming in or there's no way to get the payments out. It doesn't matter what any government agency (or business for that matter) says about their own internal Y2K readiness. If they haven't tested their systems with all of their interconnections and dependencies on customers, suppliers, vendors, and service providers, they are not yet prepared for the date change ARGUS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list.
[CTRL] Cong.Testimony of David C. Hall, CARA Corp. Re: Y2K
-Caveat Lector- Subject: House Testimony of David C. Hall, Senior Consultant, CARA Corporation HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT Subcommittee on Government Management, Information and Technology Field Hearing on Year 2000 Efforts September 3, 1998 Chicago, Illinois Testimony of David C. Hall, Senior Consultant, CARA Corporation Subject: Infrastructure and Embedded Systems Year 2000 Efforts Today I will limit my testimony to a few statements that, in my opinion, describe the state of the Infrastructure and Embedded Systems efforts to date. The written testimony provides some additional information. The statements are as follows: 1. Fewer than 10% of the enterprises in the world have begun serious embedded systems and equipment testing. 2. The test results thus far agree with the original estimates of the magnitude of the embedded systems problem-that anywhere from 1% to 15% of the microprocessors-based embedded systems and items of equipment exhibit some type of Year 2000 impact. These impacts range from minor to catastrophic. 3. These impacts are showing up on an individual basis, that is, by serial number rather than by model number. 4. This means that every microprocessor-based embedded system and equipment item must be individually tested to be sure of its Year 2000 status 5. There is insufficient time and trained resources to test every microprocessor-based embedded system and equipment item in the United States, much less every one in the world. 6. Therefore, we must assume that not all Year 2000 impacts will be found and fixed by January 1, 2000, and should expect disruptions and disturbances from Year 2000 embedded systems and equipment impacts. 7. How many disruptions and disturbances and how serious they are will depend entirely upon how much work is accomplished, both in remediation and contingency planning, before January 1, 2000. 8. Since we cannot find and fix all the impacts, we should make a concerted effort to find and fix those that pose the most serious risks to public health, safety and the environment. Global Implications of the Year 2000 Embedded Systems Problem By: David C. Hall Senior Consultant Year 2000 Infrastructure and Embedded Systems Engineering CARA Corporation August 1998 The part of the Year 2000 Problem caused by embedded systems (anything containing a microprocessor of microcontroller) will be the most extensive and expensive part of the Year 2000 Problem. The world has spent the better part of five decades automating, networking, centralizing, and integrating our facilities, plants, public and private infrastructures, communications, financial systems, health systems, and just about everything else. With over 10 billion microprocessors sold worldwide in the last five years alone, we have a tremendous job of finding, testing and fixing to accomplish in less than two years. The bottom line to this problem is that wherever on or in the globe there is an electronic device, there may be Year 2000 problems and risk. The Whole Issue The Year 2000 Problem was originally seen as just an Information Technology (IT) problem, affecting only the old legacy mainframe software programs. However, over the past few years it has become known as a Business Problem, because it affects the reliability of all computer-based systems and equipment used, be they Information Technology systems, desktop computing systems, or facility environmental control systems. In each of these cases, the reliability of information is the most important consideration about Year 2000 problems. In human terms, bad information may cause us to make a wrong decision. In machine terms, bad information may cause a malfunction, a total shutdown, or produce the wrong result. The difference is that humans can often interpret bad information, through application of intelligence, and compensate. Machines cannot compensate, they will do exactly what they have been programmed to do. As a country, community, or person, we are part of a global neighborhood that has come to depend upon many different types of computers to process data, manage information, communicate, and control all types of processes. Our modern society depends upon these computers for every facet of our social structure.
[CTRL] Fw: Y2k and Asia (Second Falling Shoe?)
-Caveat Lector- Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 3:39 PM Subject: Y2k and Asia http://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/foc1226a.htm When the chips are down Anxious pundits predict the Y2K bug will trigger a second economic meltdown in the region, writes PETER ALFORD. IMAGINE that in 12 months, just as the battered East Asian economies begin to right themselves, they are knocked over again by a second recession. Suppose China stops being a regional sheet anchor and is engulfed by the new emergency. Think about the social chaos in Indonesia today and then picture that kind of havoc breaking out elsewhere as impoverishment sweeps across the region for the second time in three years. Imagine, finally, that the storm waves from this next Asian crisis don't lap relatively harmlessly on Australia's shore but break over us with full force. This, rather than the millennialist panic stories about planes falling from the skies and electricity grids collapsing, is the kind of scenario that keeps year 2000 experts awake at night. East Asia, a region with more than one-third of the world's population, one-quarter of its manufacturing capacity and, to be selfish about it, most of Australia's markets is uniquely exposed to the millennium bug. All the region's developed and semi-developed countries, except Singapore, are running at least six months behind Australia and the handful of other leading countries in Y2K preparedness. With barely 12 months to run to the critical date plus the fact Y2K problems will start snowballing from midyear as computerised systems begin routinely looking into the 1999-2000 financial year that could prove to be a fatal gap. We've had fair warning of the ramifications, says Phil Dodd. The 1997 Asian currency crisis, which has cascaded into emerging economies everywhere and at one point drove the Australian dollar down to US55c for no apparent reason except proximity, illustrates the hazards of worldwide interconnectedness. What we face is much more dangerous, says Dodd, who heads the Unisys Asia-Pacific year 2000 project. Left uncorrected, the elementary but incredibly pervasive programming glitch that is the Y2K bug will affect not just capital flows but banking systems, physical trade, information transfers, energy supplies and transport. "To me, the currency crisis is a precursor, a warning," he says. "It's the tremor before the earthquake." The East Asian problem has two sets of ramifications for Australia. In the short run, Y2K-related breakdowns in Asian hub cities could disrupt telecommunications links, air transport and shipping. These problems might take several months to overcome. In the long run, the really worrying prospect is that cascading Y2K breakdowns in banking systems, communications, electricity and other utilities will plunge the region into a second recession a recession that may be worse than the current one. The economic crisis in Indonesia, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, The Philippines, even Hong Kong, is one reason East Asia is so exposed to the bug. Engrossed by week-to-week survival during the past 18 months, most industries and governments, until about six months ago, had given only distracted attention to Y2K rectification. China's approach is similarly under-developed and even Taiwan, with its sophisticated information technology industries, is in poor shape. Japan, the second largest and second most technically advanced economy, is especially worrying: "Large parts of corporate Japan, including the banks, still seem to be in denial," says one analyst. Y2K programs are the only technology expenditures that have been maintained throughout the region during the Asian recession, says Gartner Group's Hong Kong research director Joe Sweeney, but they were belated and badly under-funded at the outset. Gartner's next status report on international Y2K preparedness will show every economically significant East Asian country except Singapore still in what Sweeney describes as "the danger zone". Gartner, a Connecticut-based consultancy that has been a leader in raising Y2K awareness, has identified a new hazard: the "Y2K speed bump". Sweeney says there is clear evidence most customers in developed countries, recognising East Asia's dangerous unpreparedness, are planning to order extra goods and materials next year as several months' buffer against supply failures in early 2000. "Asian suppliers are going to see all their orders take off, they're going to think the recession is over and then they're going to run into two or three months when there are no orders at all that's where their businesses are going to fail," says Sweeney. "The Y2K speed bump has nothing to do with technology, really; it is the way economies work. And it's definitely going to happen." Dodd also strongly makes the point that Y2K is fundamentally a business problem, with significant ramifications for the international economy. He is astounded that, at this
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 7:30:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you do the math, the percentage of the actual population of the United States represented in the polls works out to .027%. That doesn't sound very "representative" to me! Statistical samplig, especially when stratified, can yield highly accurate results from a relatively small number of respondents. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Paper Links Boston Museum To Looted Antiquities (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- Paper Links Boston Museum To Looted Antiquities BOSTON (Reuters) - The Boston Museum of Fine Arts, already embroiled in several controversies, apparently acquired scores of Greek and Roman antiquities looted from Italian archaeological sites, the Boston Globe reported Sunday. The newspaper said the museum seemed to have acquired the objects in the 14 years since it says it abandoned dealings in the illicit art market. The Globe said the questionable objects included three valuable Greek vases apparently excavated illegally from 2,300-year-old grave sites in the Apulian region of southern Italy and smuggled out of the country. In what the Globe called ``a telltale admission,'' the Museum of Fine Arts described the three vases as among a ''host'' of newly discovered artifacts in a book it published in 1993. The newspaper has been investigating the museum's collections with the help of classical scholars and art experts. It said it found that only 10 of the 71 items in the Greek and Roman collection had any recorded ownership or provenance. The remaining artifacts, including the three vases mentioned in the book, have no pedigree at all--strong circumstantial evidence that most were recently unearthed by grave-robbers, the Globe said. The accusations added to the museum's woes. Its ``Monet in the 20th Century'' exhibit, which closes this weekend before moving next month to the Royal Academy of Arts in London, was accused of failing to note clearly that one of the artist's works had been looted by the Nazis. And that was not the only Monet to cause problems for the institution. Claude Monet's ``Fields of Poppies at Giverny,'' which hangs in another gallery, has become the subject of a struggle. The painting was loaned to the museum in 1911 by the Right Rev. William Wolcott of Lawrence, Massachusetts, but the city of Lawrence now wants it back, so it can be sold to raise much-needed funds. Museum of Fine Arts Director Malcolm Rogers said in an earlier interview that if that was what Wolcott had had in mind, he could have sold the painting himself and donated the proceeds to Lawrence. A year ago, the Museum of Fine Arts turned aside a public demand from the government of Guatemala that it return scores of pre-Columbian artifacts looted from ancient Mayan grave sites in that country. The museum argued that the artifacts had entered the United States legally between 1974 and 1981. It was only in 1983 that the museum committed itself to international standards designed to curb the widespread plundering of antiquities. The museum declined to comment immediately on the Globe's investigation and suggested that reporters call its press office Monday. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Who said the African AIDS crisis is part of a conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Faulty Condoms Thwart AIDS Fight in Africa By DONALD G. McNEIL JR. JOHANNESBURG, South Africa -- Out of the depths of the AIDS epidemic sweeping Africa, an ugly truth is emerging: Some condom makers have been dumping their substandard wares here and Africans have been risking their lives on brittle, leaky or ill-fitting condoms. The problem has been particularly bad here in South Africa, where, until last August, government officials were using a procurement system that almost invited manufacturers to ship their castoffs here. There is no question that a scarcity of condoms and the refusal of many men to use them are to blame for far more of Africa's 23 million HIV infections than faulty condoms are. And experts say most condoms are perfectly good and that the influx of bad ones may finally have been stemmed. But the deviousness or sloppiness of some manufacturers and the failure of inspectors to catch them have contributed to the disease's spread. As a result, couples who do practice safe sex have been left helpless. Elizabeth Chidonza, an AIDS-education worker in Cape Town, said she has twice had condoms break during sex. Her boyfriend is not infected with the AIDS virus, but she is. She is both afraid of infecting him and afraid he would beat her if she did. In the West, condoms are not necessarily thought of as life-saving medical devices. Here, however, infection with the human immunodeficiency virus, which causes AIDS, is rampant, and virtually everyone infected will die of it because almost no one in Africa can afford thousands of dollars for AIDS "cocktails" that enable people to live with the disease. Condoms also prevent the spread of venereal diseases and urinary tract infections, which can produce sores that speed HIV transmission. Hundreds of millions of condoms are handed out free on this continent each year, paid for -- and tested -- by international aid agencies. Even now, though, more than 4 million Kenzo brand condoms from Polo Latex Co. of Calcutta are on their way back to India. They were not tested before distribution, and complaints from Cape Town prostitutes flooded in to SWEAT, the Sex Workers Education and Advocacy Task Force, a community aid agency, which had handed thousands out free. When they were checked, the results were shocking: As many as 48 out of 200 in some test batches broke. "Some of them had sand inside the foil packets," said Andrew Crichton, a national Health Department consultant. "How do you even do that? You practically have to have a guy inside the factory throwing dirt into the machine. The cartons had water marks and were disintegrating. They looked like they'd been around the world twice." Thiru Moopen, assistant director of Inbeco, a Pretoria company that imported the condoms, said her "fingers were burnt" in the deal. Polo Latex "claimed its factory was sabotaged," she said, but it agreed to replace the goods. A consignment of Twin Lotus condoms from China is also being recalled, and there have been problems with other brands. There has been no worldwide study of faulty condoms, said Bunmi Makinwa, a distribution expert for UNAIDS in Geneva, but anecdotal reports crop up. There have been occasional problems in Zimbabwe, Cameroon, Rwanda, Zambia and Malawi. In 1993 in Zimbabwe, 24 million condoms made in Malaysia by Dongkuk Techo Rubber and paid for by the British government failed tests. Fortunately, the results came in before any were distributed, but fearing they would be stolen and end up on the black market, Zimbabwe burned them. In a country where 25 percent of adults are now infected, it took 18 months and $157,000 to replace them, even though Durex, a London-based company making a high-quality, slightly more expensive brand, sent "emergency shipments." Dongkuk later said its goods were rejected only because the standards were raised after they were made. A British Embassy AIDS educator denied that, calling it "an excuse," but acknowledged that Dongkuk now sells condoms elsewhere without problems. The incident was so embarrassing -- British aid officials were "nearly court-martialed" by Parliament, one expert joked -- that the British aid agencies adopted far stricter testing rules, which are now used in the many English-speaking countries for which they buy condoms. Condoms are made all over the world, but most factories are in India, Malaysia, Thailand and China, where latex rubber and cheap labor are available. Dennis Blairman, a British condom-quality consultant, has toured dozens of factories. "The industry is a jungle," he said. "Some makers have very science-based companies with excellent laboratories, and others are awful, staggering along with broken-down machinery. Latex goes in one end, something comes out at the other, and the buyer doesn't know the difference." As a result, he said, "I don't think there's a plot to dump substandard goods on Africa, but I'm
[CTRL] The Dubious Achievement Awards
DECEMBER 28, 07:37 EST The Dubious Achievement Awards By LARRY BLASKOAssociated Press Writer For journalists, year's end is a time of reflection, which takes much less energy than actually reporting something. That leaves time for other worthy pursuits, such as celebrating at holiday parties. In that spirit, a glass or two is hereby raised to this year's winners of the CompuBug Dubious Achievement awards for Determined Dumbness in software and hardware. The Practice Makes Perfect award goes to Microsoft for Windows 98, which fixed some of Windows 95's bugs and introduced a swarm of its own. The I Knew I Forgot Something award goes to Apple Computer, which introduced its much-touted iMac without a floppy disk drive. Clearly, the ``Think Different'' crowd never takes work home. Of course, for $150, you can add an external floppy drive, just like you could 20 years ago, before it became standard equipment. With the minimum system requirements for everything from games to productivity software roaring past the 166-megahertz Pentium/32 megabytes of RAM mark, the Immoderation in All Things award is shared by the entire software industry. While we all would like to upgrade our machines every six months, many of us have other financial obligations, including children, a mortgage and such. The software industry also wins the Punishing Profligate Packaging award for surrounding 5-inch-wide CD-ROMs with enough cardboard to deforest Canada, much of it inside in sadistic origami creations that aren't going to let go of the software without inflicting at least a paper cut. And we really needed the latest trend: box-cover flaps, some with multiple pages, touting the product. Quick, go hug a tree while there are still some left. The Yes, We Have No Bananas award goes to software manufacturers whose only installation and help instructions are online. If we could get the doggone stuff to install, we wouldn't need the help! The Chicken Little Marketing award goes to those who raise the grim vision of the end of computing in Year 2000 unless you do a ``system audit'' with a product that, coincidentally, they sell. The Al Capone Financing Genius award goes to those computer manufacturers that are pushing leasing programs to increase their market share, thereby making it possible for consumers to pay much more for a computer than it would cost to buy one. Manufacturers say it makes computers available to those who can't afford to buy one in the same way loan sharks give high-risk lenders ``access to financial services.'' Finally, the Tolerance Beyond Belief award goes to publicists, editors and, most of all, CompuBug's readers, who have endured with me this year and for the past 15 years and keep coming back for more. Questions and comments are welcome. Mail to: CompuBug, P.O. Box 626, Summit, N.J. 07901. Or e-mail via the Internet: LarryBlasko(at)ap.org. = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas
[CTRL] A Different Approach to the Impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: December 21, 1998 8:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A Different Approach to the Impeachment of President Clinton December 21, 1998 To: Congressman Harold E. Ford, Jr. 9th Congressional District Representative From: Dr. Bill Adkins Senior Pastor-Founder, Greater Imani Church Christian Center Memphis, Tennessee My Dear Congressman, In lieu of the recent developments surrounding the impeachment of President Clinton, I propose this unique response. Since the president was impeached on articles of perjury and obstruction of justice please consider the following: The posthumous impeachment of the first fifteen Presidents of the United States of America on the charge of lying under oath and obstruction of justice. These charges are based on each President's sworn oath to uphold and the defend the Constitution of the United States. In its preamble that instrument clearly calls on the President of the United States to "Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." By its own language the Constitution voided the institution of slavery, however, nine of these Presidents personally owned slaves and the others openly disregarded their sworn oath to protect the freedom of all Americans. It was only because of the differing opinions of interpretation of the language that clarity was needed to deal with such sensitive matters, therefore, numerous amendments were added to offer such clarity. Abolitionists argued that the Constitution was clear, however, the 13th Amendment was needed to outlaw slavery, December 18, 1865. The 14th Amendment was needed to define citizenship, so it was passed on July 28th, 1868. The 15th Amendment was needed to offer franchisment and voting rights, so it was passed on March 30th, 1870. The right to vote for women was needed because for some, "men" mentioned in the Constitution only meant "men." That was passed August 26th, 1920. Finally, the Poll Taxes of the South had to be eliminated so the 24th Amendment was passed on February 4th, 1964. The amendments to the Constitution questioned the validity of the original organ, according to Tocqueville. I conclude that the original writing was exact and succinct. Therefore 15 Presidents, prior to Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation were in contempt of their sworn oath. We should consider posthumous impeachment of: George Washington John Adams Thomas Jefferson James Madison James Monroe John Quincy Adams Andrew Jackson Martin Van Buren William H. Harrison James Knox Polk Zachary Taylor Milliard Filmore Franklin Pierce James Buchanan DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oklahoma Bomb Jury to Issue Report
DECEMBER 29, 15:38 EST Oklahoma Bomb Jury To Issue Report OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) Eighteen months and 117 witnesses after it began its work, a grand jury investigating allegations of a wider conspiracy and a government cover-up in the Oklahoma bombing is expected to release its findings Wednesday. The Oklahoma County grand jury was convened by way of a petition drive over the objections of state Attorney General Drew Edmondson, who called it ``the worst kind of conspiracy pandering.'' And both he and the chief federal prosecutor in Oklahoma expressed doubt anything would come out of the investigation. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols have already been convicted on federal charges in the bombing. McVeigh received a death sentence, Nichols life in prison. An Army buddy, Michael Fortier, pleaded guilty to knowing about the attack beforehand but telling no one. He got 12 years in prison. Former state Rep. Charles Key, one of the leaders of the petition drive to empanel the grand jury, has said he believes that the federal government knew about the bombing beforehand and that others were involved but have not been arrested. The government has denied any prior knowledge. Key said his efforts were worth it no matter what the outcome. ``It's always worth it to do the right thing. That's what I and the rest of us who have worked on this feel. We've done the right thing for the right reason,'' the former legislator said. The grand jury has the power to indict, but Bob Macy, the district attorney in Oklahoma City, has already said he will bring murder charges against McVeigh and Nichols, and the grand jury focused instead on other possible figures. U.S. Attorney Patrick Ryan, who prosecuted McVeigh and Nichols, has said that the government had ``no credible evidence to suggest that others were involved.'' And Edmondson said he believes the odds are slim the grand jury investigation will shed any additional light on the April 19, 1995, attack that killed 168 people and injured more than 500 others. ``I will be amazed if they suggest by name any people involved in the bombing that are not even known,'' Edmondson said. As of October, the cost of the grand jury was put at nearly $414,000. In October, the grand jury complained of attempts to contact members at home and of erroneous claims about what some witnesses would say. = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas
[CTRL] Bank Sues Hubbell for Overdue Money
DECEMBER 29, 11:14 EST Bank Sues Hubbell for Overdue Money LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) Presidential friend Webster Hubbell has been sued by the Bank of Little Rock, which claims he owes at least $43,604 on a 1997 promissory note. Frederick S. Wetzel III, attorney for Bank of Little Rock, said the money stems from a second mortgage on the Hubbells' Little Rock home. The total owed by Hubbell and his wife, Suzanna, was calculated through Dec. 15, according to the lawsuit filed Monday in Pulaski County Circuit Court. Each day they fail to pay adds $11.95 in interest, the lawsuit said. Hubbell, a former top Justice Department official, was indicted by a federal grand jury for a third time in November on charges that he covered up his and Hillary Rodham Clinton's roles in a fraudulent Arkansas real estate development deal. They were partners at the Rose Law Firm at the time. The indictment accuses Hubbell of perjury before a congressional committee, fraud, false statements and impeding two federal regulatory agencies. A federal judge in July threw out a 10-count tax-evasion indictment against Hubbell. Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr has appealed that dismissal. Hubbell pleaded guilty to tax evasion and mail fraud in December 1994 after admitting to overbilling his clients at the Rose Law Firm. He served 19 months in prison before his release in February 1997. = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas
[CTRL] Critics Cite Iran Weapons Loophole
DECEMBER 28, 12:48 EST Critics Cite Iran Weapons Loophole By GEORGE GEDDAAssociated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) Recent statements by an Iranian official have critics worried that Iran may exploit a loophole in the chemical weapons convention treaty approved last year one insisted on by conservative U.S. senators. Citing these recent statements, some disarmament experts say the Tehran government could take advantage of conditions that were meant to protect U.S. interests. ``We have provided Iran a loophole to cheat,'' said Amy Smithson, a weapons expert at the Henry L. Stimson Institute. U.S. officials had hoped the August 1997 inauguration of President Mohammad Khatami, widely perceived as a moderate, could lead to an Iranian reassessment of its weapons programs. Not long after Khatami took office, in November 1997, Iran ratified the chemical weapons convention. The treaty bans the use, development, production and stockpiling of all chemical warfare agents and requires the destruction of existing stockpiles over 10 years. The U.S. Senate ratified the treaty in April 1997, only after Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C. and his allies set conditions for U.S. participation, including giving the president the right to veto inspections at suspect sites and barring inspectors from taking soil or other types of samples from U.S. chemical facilities out of the country. Marc Thiessen, a Helms spokesman, said, ``The provisions are designed to stop the treaty from being used for corporate espionage and other forms of espionage.'' Some arms control advocates believe the administration gave away too much to Helms in the negotiations. Iran had remained largely silent on the issue until a few weeks ago, when Iranian diplomat Mohammad R. Alborozi spoke in the Netherlands at a conference of states that are members of the convention. Alborozi quickly took aim at the conditions imposed by the U.S. Senate. Expressing regret over the measures, he said ``that the spillover effect of such an exercise ... can open the door for legislative bodies of other countries to seek derogation from the convention is a matter of serious concern for all state parties. ``If other states follow this pattern, then any outlook for full and unconditional implementation of the provisions of the convention will be in jeopardy. This we regard as a seriously alarming matter.'' At the same time, Alborozi said his government has decided to ``exercise and demonstrate maximum transparency and determination for full compliance with the provisions of the Convention.'' Alborozi did not say whether Iran currently retains a chemical weapons production capability. Smithson said the Iranian comments were not reassuring, and that by taking a cue from Washington, Iran is in effect saying it too could block a challenge inspection on the basis of national security interests. Spurgeon Keeny, of the Arms Control Association, agreed: ``When we exempt ourselves from certain provisions, we're inviting Iran or other countries to question our seriousness.'' A Clinton administration official acknowledged that the conditions leave Washington ill-positioned to argue that other states don't have the same right. Despite the conditions, the official said, the United States believes it can faithfully comply with the treaty and will do so. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Iran's willingness to abide by the treaty has been in doubt since the beginning. He said Iran's membership in the Non-Proliferation Treaty has not prevented it from trying to develop nuclear weapons and that Iran also is pursuing a biological weapons capacity despite a treaty commitment not to do so. Iran has denied it is trying to develop nuclear or biological weapons. A 1997 Pentagon report issued at the time Iran ratified the convention said chemical weapons were a high priority for Iran because of its inability to respond in kind to Iraq's attacks during their war in the 1980s. Iran also was motivated by evidence, the report said, that Iraq was developing advanced agents such as VX, a substance of which one or two drops can be lethal. Helms, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, says that since no weapons inspection regime is foolproof, the ban will not help the situation or enhance American security anyway. He argues the United States has little to fear from most countries that ratify the treaty. The concern is with those that ratify and cheat and those that don't join the treaty at all. Indeed, five of the seven nations on the State Department list of countries accused of promoting international terrorism have neither signed nor ratified the treaty: Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Syria and Sudan. The two remaining countries are Iran and Cuba. = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Incredible Newsweek cover--European Union Tower ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 8:40:03 PM, you wrote: Lloyd is a fellow member of the long, boring, bombastic, legalistic posters club that seems to thrive on this list. Here he is at least brief but in being so he has exposed his know nothing fundamentalist philosophy with great clarity. Jerry All right now, we can always learn from each other's views, even if all we learn is that we disagree vehemently ;-) Peace out, Charles DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Linux: 12-29
-Caveat Lector- From Nando / AP Even with open source, Red Hat is red hot. Copyright © 1998 Nando Media Copyright © 1998 Associated Press DURHAM (December 29, 1998 12:22 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - It's not exactly time to tell Windows to step aside, but Durham's Red Hat - and the Linux operating system it distributes - are on a roll. The buzz started building in September when Silicon Valley darlings Netscape Communications and Intel invested in Red Hat. Since then, Red Hat has received the kind of national hype that has long been the dream of technology companies based in the Triangle. The attention gave the previously obscure Linux operating system - the basic software that manages all the other programs and files in a computer - new legitimacy. Some in the industry even tout it as a potential threat to Microsoft's Windows. Microsoft attorneys recently cited Red Hat's product as proof the Redmond, Wash., giant is not a monopoly. After ducking the spotlight for most of its three years of existence, Red Hat was suddenly the rage. Last month, when some of its executives attended Comdex, the industry's biggest trade show, they were mobbed by reporters and industry leaders looking to strike deals. The publicity has generated tremendous momentum and opportunity for its 85 employees. But while the ride has been thrilling, now comes the hard part: fulfilling the promise. "When you get as much publicity as we get, you end up setting a lot of expectations," said Bob Young, Red Hat's chief executive officer. "What worries me is that we've got a lot of work to do to meet those expectations." Red Hat, located in Research Commons near Research Triangle Park, is largely in the business of providing an alternative to Microsoft for programmers and computer geeks. The alternative is Linux, which it distributes. Linux was developed in the early 1990s by a Finnish student named Linus Torvalds. He wanted to create an operating system for PCs that worked like the high-powered operating system Unix, the main system used on the big computers that run most of the Internet. But rather than start a company and market the system, Torvalds did something that captured the imagination of programmers around the world. Torvalds posted the Linux source code - the blueprints for the software - on the Internet. Anyone can suggest improvements or download Linux and use it for free. Microsoft closely guards the Windows source code and charges about $90 for its operating system. "We don't own Linux," said Jon "Mad Dog" Hall, executive director of Linux International, a trade association which promotes Linux. "It's owned by the community of programmers who have contributed to it over the years." Red Hat makes its money by testing versions of Linux, adding its own tools, manuals and technical support and then selling the whole thing in a shrink-wrapped box for $50 and up - still less than Windows 98. Last month, someone posted a memo on the Internet written by two Microsoft engineers that called Linux a challenge to company revenue. And Nov. 18, in a Washington, D.C., courtroom where Microsoft is on trial for anti-trust violations, a company attorney held up a package of Red Hat software and cited it as proof that Microsoft had a tenuous grasp on the operating system market. While it has been popular among hackers and back-room techies, some observers wondered whether large companies would ever seriously accept a product not backed by a company like Microsoft. That's where Red Hat comes in. In 1994, a local IBM employee named Marc Ewing discovered the wonders of Linux and started his own company to market Linux products. Ewing later merged with a company started by Young to create Red Hat. The company purposefully maintained a low profile. "Our goal is to build a successful software company for the next 20 years," Young said. But all the attention has forced Red Hat to revisit its growth plans. It leased new, bigger offices and has grown from 50 to 85 employees in just a few months. And Young expects sales - projected to be $10 million in 1998 - and employment to double annually in the coming years. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Religious Right,Religious Rights: an interview with A
-Caveat Lector- I, too, am subject to researching my recollection for specificity within the myth and legend of the settling of North America ... as much as I wouldn't seek out K. Starr (the Indie Counselor, not the songstress) for any reason, I can't help but admire the polysyllabic Snoopy dance he did (without laughing at himself) for the J Committee. Anyway, more myth legend on the Pilgrims: From http://www.athensnewspapers.com/1997/112697/1126.a3pilgrims.html American detective work brings alive Pilgrims' forgotten years By William J. Kole Associated Press Picture: jeremy bangsHistorian Jeremy Bangs sits in the 17th-century house that will become the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, which opens on Thursday in the Netherlands. AP PhotoLEIDEN, Netherlands - Pilgrims once trod Leiden's cobblestones, back when they were the latest ragtag refugees in town. Now this city is reviving memories of a pious people who eventually found Dutch tolerance too much to bear. On Thanksgiving Day, the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum opens to the public, born of one man's lifelong passion to illuminate the Pilgrims' largely forgotten 11 years in exile in Holland. For American historian Jeremy Bangs, it's a chance to remind the world anew of the hope and heartache the future colonists endured long before they even boarded the Mayflower. "Anyone who really wants to understand American society needs to know about the Pilgrims," said Bangs, a leading Pilgrim scholar and the former chief curator at Plimoth Plantation in Plymouth, Mass. The 100 Pilgrims who settled in Leiden after a brief stay in Amsterdam left an indelible mark on this medieval town, which welcomed them in 1609 with a declaration that it "refuses no honest people free entry." Capt. Myles Standish served in the Dutch army. In Leiden, William Brewster published books forbidden in England. Their pastor, John Robinson, participated in theological disputes that would later split the Netherlands; he's buried in a nearby church. But the Pilgrims grew disenchanted with their lives here. Though they had fled religious persecution in their native England, they tired on the tolerance that lured them to the Netherlands. Many anguished over their hosts' ambivalence about observing the Sabbath. The Pilgrims also left for reasons that still trouble expatriates today: They fretted over the loss of their traditions as their children grew up more Dutch than English. Slaving away as immigrants in low-paying menial jobs, they found themselves haunted anew by their original dream of a place of their own in which to worship and prosper. Though only a few dozen opted to leave on the Mayflower in 1620, more followed over the next few years. Some never left - such as the wives and children whose husbands and fathers went before them to the New World, only to perish in that first bitter winter. But the ancient ties still bind. On Thursday, the people of Leiden - including several hundred now thoroughly Dutch descendants of Pilgrims - will gather in church in remembrance of their neighbors who changed the world. The museum, funded with help from the Mayflower Society, the Pilgrim Society and the New England Historic Genealogical Society, is in a typical Pilgrim-style 16th century one-room house. The place is packed with Pilgrim-era tools, pottery and furniture, including a cabinet containing tobacco pipes, coins, buttons and toys. "We'll take these items out and have conversations," said Bangs, 51, who has authored 10 books about the Pilgrims. "People will learn in this intimate way." The Pilgrims brought with them to Plymouth Colony many Dutch ways, such as the civil registration of marriages. John Quincy Adams would later hail their Mayflower Compact as the foundation for the U.S. Constitution. Bangs originally came to Leiden, the birthplace of Rembrandt 25 miles southwest of Amsterdam, to study Dutch art and architecture. He ended up running the city's Pilgrim archives, and when it closed a few years ago, he decided to stay. His own home betrays his passion. Original engravings of Pilgrim life clutter a coffee table; a Pilgrim-era ladderback chair occupies a corner of his kitchen. "We really don't know much about what Pilgrim family life was like," he said. "That's the goal of this house museum - to give some sense of how they lived." Picture: online athens News | Sports | Opinions | Marquee | DogBytes Home | Interact | Archives | Links | Classifieds | Gallery | Search TheWIRE | Yellow Pages Plus | Datelines | AutoMall | GameStorm Food | Athens Magazine | Discover Athens | Education | Survey | Subscribe! The FAQ | Ad Rates Site Design | Feedback | PressCard Picture: Athens Daily News/Banner Herald ©opyright 1998 Athens Newspapers Inc. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Religious Right,Religious Rights: an interview with A]
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Anyway, more myth legend on the Pilgrims: From http://www.athensnewspapers.com/1997/112697/1126.a3pilgrims.html American detective work brings alive Pilgrims' forgotten years By William J. Kole Associated Press snip An update on Jeremy Bangs... Dutch border tightens on American historian By William J. Kole ASSOCIATED PRESS AMSTERDAM, Netherlands -- Nearly four centuries after it took in the Pilgrims, the Netherlands has ordered America's foremost Pilgrim expert to leave. Jeremy Bangs, founder of a new Pilgrim museum in the medieval city of Leiden, has been caught in the Dutch government's immigration crackdown, a response to an unprecedented wave of refugees. For Bangs, the order to leave by Jan. 15 is thick with irony. He has been chronicling how the Pilgrims, before boarding the Mayflower, spent 11 years in a Holland that proudly declared in 1609 that it "refuses no honest people free entry." The Netherlands' refusal to grant him a residency permit, Bangs contends, will force the closure of the only museum focusing on the Pilgrims' little-knownexile here. "I'm not a refugee; I'm a historian," Bangs, 52, said yesterday. "They can expel me. They can just appear and deport me. It's incredible. People are shocked, and my own mood is souring." The Justice Ministry, which oversees immigration policy, this month rejected Bangs' application for new residency papers, saying the historian needed a work permit. Officials also have refused to recognize Bangs' financial support, expenses and health insurance through the New England Historic Genealogical Society as an adequate source of income. Bangs, who has written 10 books about the Pilgrims, was told that he could not apply for a work permit because he was officially considered an employee of the museum he opened on Thanksgiving Day 1997 and only employers can apply. "The whole thing just makes me furious," said Jane Fiske, editor of the Register of the New England Historic Genealogical Society, which publishes Bangs' research. Bangs' Leiden American Pilgrim Museum is in a typical Pilgrim-style, 16th-century, one-room house in the heart of Leiden, 25 miles southwest of Amsterdam. It was an instant hit in the town that offered refuge to 100 Pilgrims and that still holds yearly Thanksgiving Day services in the main church. More than 2,600 people have visited the cramped museum cluttered with Pilgrim-era tools, pottery and furniture. Supporters worldwide are writing letters to Queen Beatrix and cabinet ministers on behalf of Bangs and his wife. Even the Ministry of Culture has issued a statement that Bangs' work "serves an essential interest of the Netherlands." But the Justice Ministry has refused to budge. It is struggling to contain a record of nearly 50,000 illegal immigrants this year from Afghanistan, Turkey and the former Yugoslavia. "Nobody could be more politically harmless than Jeremy," Fiske said. "You know, I used to be proud of my own Dutch heritage but not anymore." © 1998 Philadelphia Newspapers Inc. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Irak protest: how voices are silenced in France
Some interesting info forwarded by an activist in France... --Charles Equilibre was one of the most famous humanitarian association. It became famous during the Bosnian War being one of the only organisation courageous enought to force the blocus imposed by the Serb (with the passivity of the West and the complicity of several countries, especially France -this was Mr Mitterand- and England). In February 1998 in Le Monde, the most famous French newspaper, thepresident of Equilibre Mr Gilbert, back from Irak, stated that the embargo killed more than one million Irakian, mainly children, and suggested to put a claim on international court for Genocide. Today, Equilibre is bankrupted. I have no data that can allow to put this two fact in relation. But I think it is that we have to do. Mr Clinton being a sexual maniac is possibly not enought a reason to impeach him. But Irak definitely is. 1.500 000 deaths, not soldiers mainly children and eldery people and because of total embargo sanctions (slightly released in 1995) is a CRIME. This has to be investigated by competent and independant jurits, document and testimony has to be studdied and a law process has to be held. Are our leaders not possibly better than Nazi. Did they commited a genocide by means of imposing an embargo on food against a desertic country because they did not like Saddam hussein ? There is no time limit for judging a genocide crime. Together with trying to have this useless and cruel embargo lifted American patriots should quietly gather facts and data, collect monney and work with lawyers to inculp our leader of genocide facing the same tribunal that are now facing the Bosno Serbian butcher. It is my belief that in no country in the world today but the USA, there is the drive and the energy to do that. HTML Equilibre was one of the most famous humanitarian association. It became famous during the BRBosnian War being one of the only organisation courageous enought to force the blocus imposed BRby the Serb (with the passivity of the West and the complicity of several countries, especially BRFrance -this was Mr Mitterand- and England). In February 1998 in Le Monde, the most famous BRFrench newspaper, thepresident of Equilibre Mr Gilbert, back from Irak, stated that the embargo BRkilled more than one million Irakian, mainly children, and suggested to put a claim on international BRcourt for BGenocide./B BRToday, Equilibre is bankrupted. I have no data that can allow to put this two fact in relation. BRBut I think it is that we have to do. Mr Clinton being a sexual maniac is possibly not enought a BRreason to impeach him. But Irak definitely is. 1.500 000 deaths, not soldiers mainly children and eldery BRpeople and because of total embargo sanctions (slightly released in 1995) is a CRIME. BRThis has to be investigated by competent and independant jurits, document and testimony has to be studdied BRand a law process has to be held. BRAre our leaders not possibly better than Nazi. Did they commited a genocide by means of imposing an embargo on food BRagainst a desertic country because they did not like Saddam hussein ? BRThere is no time limit for judging a genocide crime. Together with trying to have this useless and cruel embargo lifted BRAmerican patriots should quietly gather facts and data, collect monney and work with lawyers to inculp our leader BRof genocide facing the same tribunal that are now facing the Bosno Serbian butcher. BRIt is my beliefnbsp; that in no country in the world today but the USA, there is the drive and the energy to do that./HTML
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-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lilke it, I like it !! For once can say, no way ! hehehe ! Okay, so I'm a rebel at heart but then spent (lived) in Maine too long. Suits the downeast Yankee part of itvbg Go for the gusto Uhhh...care to elucidate? (For the rest of the list, THIS New England Yankee has NO idea what Lynne is babbling about.) June === Ring out the old, ring in the new, Ring happy bells, across the snow; The year is going, let him go; Ring out the false, ring in the true. -- Tennyson: In Memoriam === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [EWAR] Re: [MC] Re: HAARP Re:Persinger
I have to disagree on Edison, he was a firm believer in DC voltage (maybe he had some other ideas before his time.) It was Tesla who was a proponent of Alternating Current. There are without a doubt natural rythms to music that can "stir the soul". In the filming of "Doctor Zhivago", Spanish authorities under Franco, were dispatched to monitor the filming of several marching scenes and take notes on who was singing "Das Kapital" with the vigor of marxists, or their allies. Music is primal, it can to some extent manipulate a crowd, or influence mood, but not on a scale that some technology can potentially perform. Advanced special effects in movies have evolved as our society has moved from a visceral- seperation from the movies, to actually being a "bystander" in the action. For example the progression from Psycho, where the violence was inferred, to A Nightmare on Elm Street, or Halloween- where the violence is gruesome for soley a gratuitus reason, BUT IT SELLS. Imagination is gone in the group we call- Generation X; how many of them can find humor in a non-colorized version of Laurel and Hardy. Ever have an MRI? there are a LOT of people who suffer panic attacks when inside of one. I just got irritated at them bothering me all of the time when they were asking me. Brain implants wander into a gray area that really needs close scrutiny, because there may come a time when it is routine for a kid who may be diagnosed with A.D.D. (incorrectly at that), who has an implant to control his behavior. Why not routinely implant the same devices into all children who are not of the "chosen class" so that they will be able to be controlled? Sex sells, it just does. Is this harmful manipulation? Some would say so based on the fact that what our perceptions of beauty seem to be, like Kate Moss- "heroin druggie chic". Often it is not a matter of ethics of the researcher, as many of them see research as just that- research, neither good, nor bad. The larger question would regard those who would administer it, or arbitrarily decree it. At 12:18 PM 12/29/98 -0500, you wrote: Gordon Tibbles wrote: Read my original post. That he would recognize the danger and still conduct experimentation is unconscionable. There is no "safe" level and even if there were, the modulation to set up a specific field pattern within the brain has wider application to initiate and sustain MC. Is this true of Edison's programs for wiring countries for electricity? Is this true of the marches of John P. Sousa? Is this true of Wagner's "Ring Series" operatic works? Is this true of advanced *special effects* in motion pictures? Is this true of the developers of diagnostic Magnetic Resonance Imaging? Is this true of the physicians developing brain implants to improve the lives and function of those suffering from Parkinson's disease? Is this true of advertisers using sexual iconography to sell their products? Could you give us some examples of several neuroscientists who study brain function whose work and personal ethics you would not attack? If you were asked to advise a committee that approves research projects that involve brain stimulation of human subjects, could you lay out a set of criteria that should be followed? Gene Johnson MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list moderator *** EWAR-L Electronic Warfare Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: unsubscribe EWAR-L or subscribe EWAR-L. To post messages, send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Previous posts: http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/digest.htm. EWAR Web site: http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/ewar.htm. -Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list owner *** EWAR-L Electronic Warfare Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: unsubscribe EWAR-L or subscribe EWAR-L. To post messages, send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Previous posts: http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/digest.htm. EWAR Web site: http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/ewar.htm. -Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list owner *** EWAR-L Electronic Warfare Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: unsubscribe EWAR-L or subscribe EWAR-L. To post messages, send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Previous posts: http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/digest.htm. EWAR Web site: http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/ewar.htm. -Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list owner
[CTRL] Euro Pathologies
-Caveat Lector- Eurosociololgical Conniptions. flw FROM ROGER BOYES IN BERLIN PROPERTY developers are at work throughout the Brandenburg lake district grafting new housing estates on to run-down villages, putting up hypermarkets, creating a dozen satellite townships in a web around the once and future German capital of Berlin. The political effects of this building boom are well known. Construction companies can only meet their tight deadlines if they run round-the-clock shifts. German workers are too expensive, so the environs of Berlin are being pieced together by cheap Ukrainians, Poles, the British and the Irish. The local youth, with official unemployment rates of 20 or more per cent - and real rates at 30 per cent - are turning on the foreigners. Black Britons in particular have been beaten up, even crippled by these resentful thugs. Vietnamese, shrewd traders who are making fortunes selling cheap cigarettes, have been set on fire. This is no longer the region celebrated by the novelist, Theodor Fontane, or Johann Sebastian Bach: today the Brandenburg concertos resonate to dark chords. All this anger, bottled in over the winter like a potent home brew, is likely to explode next year. The critical questions are whether and when the anger will be directed at the euro, whether the far-right parties will be able to mop up the discontent in the east and channel it, in time perhaps for June's European elections, against the new currency. The National Party of Germany, the Republicans and the German People's Union - which whipped up more than 13 per cent of the vote in Saxony Anhalt last autumn after a mere three-week campaign - are positioning themselves for a euro protest. For the past year their demonstrators have brandished "save the mark" placards along with a more obvious "foreign criminals go home". Partly this is tactical: it is more respectable in German political culture to be patriotically in favour of the mark than to be openly racist. Partly it reflects a genuine division within German society. Popular approval for the euro is creeping up - it has just edged above 50 per cent - but in the east nobody is budging. More than half of east Germans are firmly against the euro, only a third are in favour. The mark was a symbol of unity. It was a promise from the west that it would share its prosperity with the east. The decision to adopt the euro is regarded as western diktat. Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann, of the Allensbach opinion survey institute, gives a clue as to how disenchantment with the west has taken root. Her latest poll, conducted last September, asks Germans: "Do you believe that west Germans want to help the east?" Only 32 per cent of east Germans held this opinion and 47 per cent firmly disagreed. Eastern Germans are probably right to be wary of the euro. The new common currency will expose the inefficiency of rustbelt industries. Naturally old communist plants have been closed down or remodelled and modernised - but shipyards and heavy industry can still barely survive without heavy subsidies from Bonn and Brussels. It is reasonable to assume that the first, or at least a significant, victim of economic and monetary union will be Germany, saddled with its high labour and welfare costs. East Germans know exactly what is coming: foreign direct investment has been leap-frogging over eastern Germany into western Poland, which is growing visibly richer by the day. Here, then, is the witches' brew. There will be a tension between a Germany perceived by its neighours as being rich - and obliged in a full monetary union to make transfer payments to the impoverished south - and yet perceiving itself as a land of spreading poverty. This is a classic trawling ground for the fishermen of the far Right, comparable to the recruiting atmosphere of the 1930s. And so, at precisely the moment when Europe is supposed to be integrating more closely, the divisions between East and West will become more apparent. Even the proponents of the euro see it as a modernising device - look how it helped to keep budgets under control - and accept that monetary union could become a scapegoat. Necessary reforms of Germany's labour costs will be blamed squarely on EMU institutions rather than on the German Government. The German resistance to the euro is not confined to the east. Nor is it the exclusive catchment area of the far Right. Pensioners remain nervous - though notably less so since the accession of a Social Democratic Government - and so do small businesses. It is precisely the small and medium-sized company, making up the so-called Mittelstand, which is supposed to generate jobs, specially in the east. The trend of big business in "euroland" is already clear: towards mega mergers that end up with job cuts. Yet small business in the east was led to believe that the euro would be as strong as the mark. The new Government preaches a soft euro, the European Central Bank a hard one: the confusion is destroying
[CTRL] Catch 22 Is Tentative Reply From Finland
-Caveat Lector- "CATCH 22" IS TENTATIVE REPLY FROM FINLAND == (CNNS, 12/29/98) -- In early November of 1998 this news service sent an urgent "S.O.S." to Finland, requesting political asylum for the editor in that northern land. Many good Finlanders have responded to the request, offering assistance. This news service has received information that no less august personages than Bill and Hillary Clinton, president and first lady of the United States, had noticed our previous "S.O.S. Finland" with some interest. Many readers of CONSPIRACY NATION NEWS SERVICE (CNNS) had quietly contacted us. Citizens of the USA, they were most interested in the progress of the appeal; they also thought along the same lines: that the opportunity to flee the United States would soon disappear. The tentative, apparently unofficial response from Finland has been enigmatic, much like the Finns themselves. Communiques received from Finland thus far are reminiscent of the tautology expressed in Joseph Heller's novel, "Catch 22". In that novel, Captain Yossarian wanted to get a psychiatric deferment so he could avoid further dangerous World War II bombing missions. But the "catch" was that since Yossarian wanted to get out of it, then *ipso facto* he must not really be "crazy." If, on the other hand, Yossarian =did= want to continue endangering his life with more missions, then that would mean he =was= "crazy." Yet Yossarian would never request deferment if he wished to continue his hazardous duty, hence his deferment could not be processed. That was the CATCH: "Catch 22." The tentative, apparently unofficial response from Finland has invoked a similar tautology: (1) since the editor has not been rounded up and sent to a concentration camp, then there is no need to extend political asylum; (2) if the editor is rounded up and put in a concentration camp, then he qualifies for political asylum in Finland (but since he's in a concentration camp, he has no way to emigrate to Finland.) The editor of CNNS is seeking to convince the Finns that if they were to grant political asylum to him, such a good act would have positive benefits to the nation of Finland. The implicit connection in such an event would be: What nation is BETTER than the USA? Finland. The CNNS editor escaped to there. This would be good worldwide public relations for Finland. The Finns need not fear that, were they to grant political asylum to the CNNS editor, they would be besieged by requests from others for similar political asylum. Finland could merely claim that the CNNS editor, a pioneering crusader with a worldwide audience, was a special instance. To restate the case: This editor has made vigorous attempts to inform the American people about the incessant operations of the U.S. MILTARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Over $500 million worth of missiles was recently rained on Iraq. That attack accomplished nothing and even worsened the situation -- except for one all-important accomplishment: depletion of weapons inventories. In fact, the whole purpose of the IRAQIANA DRAMA was none other than to deplete said weapons inventories so as to churn out more orders for more weapons, thereby profiting the weapons manufacturers. Yet despite my efforts, the American people sleep and care nothing except for "Furby" toys. This editor believes that a dramatic ESCAPE TO FINLAND will serve a HUMANITARIAN interest. Continued reports by this news service, based in Finland, could add sufficient leverage that the people of America would finally "get it" and ask, "WHY NO QUESTION ON IF WE CAN AFFORD A $500 MILLION MISSILE EXTRAVAGANZA?" It's worth a try, Finland. The effect of a political emigrant, divorcing himself from the USA "land of milk and honey," would inherently call into question a mythology that "no one escapes from America" and thus undermine a political hegemony that threatens even FINLAND HERSELF. There is no need to fear that the CNNS editor, as a political emigrant, would bother to criticize Finland herself. His true love -- first, last, and always -- is the United States. How can it be that the CNNS editor loves America yet criticizes her and wishes to escape from her? Read Nelson Algren's book, "Chicago: City on the Make." The CNNS editor is not in the same league as Nelson Algren. But read what Algren says. Algren loved Chicago. He wrote that it was because he loved Chicago that he criticized her. And Algren finally left Chicago for good -- but his heart never left the city he loved. The CNNS editor will be a "good citizen" of Finland, but he can never love her like he loves his former homeland. And so, Finland will not be criticized. Please respond, Finland. Time grows short. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- "Jim Condit Jr." wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 27, 1998 9:39 AM, KA [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: over by the Roman Catholic Church . . . with the result that the world became civilized. THAT's debatable! Debatable, yes, but I submit we're coasting on the civilization brought to the world by the Roman Catholic Church between 4th and 14th century (one hundred years or so before Apostate priest Luther started changing the Bible which the Catholic monks of the Middle ages had preserved after the Catholic Popes (Damascus I to Gregory the Great) compiled and St. Jerome translated.) I wouldn't brag about this if I were you. Non Catholics ( most people )don't exactly see this as a good thing. Are you telling us you are against birth control pills, too? Absolutely. Better to call them birth prevention pills, or anti-baby pills. They do tremendous harm to women, too. This is where the many Protestant religions bit the dust (again) in following the demonic Margaret Sanger, while the Roman Catholic Church has been consistent and held firm. They don't do tremendous harm to women at all. You do tremendous harm to women by spreading primitive unscientific superstitious bullshit. OK. I should have said that Adam and Eve were promised a Savior, and that the promise they passed on got distorted in many cultures up to the time of Noah -- but you have to sometimes try to cut these posts short when you think you've made the essential point. There were no such persons as Adam and Eve for sure, and the existence of Noah is highly doubtfull. How do you feel about Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck? How about the tooth fairy? And those who believe that Jesus is a myth, might try to explain the Shoud of Turin, which still defies all explanations despite Ruling Elite attempts The Jesus of your religion is mythological, but there was a real Jesus. So what do you do? You try to prove the myhological instead of the real. How absurd is that? There are as many scientific studies debunking the shroud as supporting the theory that it's Jesus' actual shroud...it all boils down to FAITH... I don't think so. They can't reproduce the shroud today, despite much high-falutin bunk that hopes you infer that they can. Also, the Shroud had certain pollens in it that were only found in the Mid-east area. Superstition is a wonderful thing. It makes it possible to argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It is by FAITH alone that one is saved, not by turning THINGS into icons and worshipping them... People don't need to be saved for being born. They need to be saved from the insanity of people like you. Your glorious history is an example of that. It is blasphemy to believe that the Holy Ghost inspires dozens of "churches" which contradict themselves on the most basic points, such as what it takes to be saved. God is truth, and not a bundle of contradictions. One Faith, one Church, one magisterial voice, one flock, one Shepherd. And one crock. Incorruptibles, (see book by Joan Carroll), etc. and so on. As Joe Sobran said, if you think that Jesus was a hoax, consider that His words are still be quoted 2000 years later --- They weren't his words. They are words made up by some guys who wanted to invent a religion, and attributed them to him. And how long have the Buddha's words been quoted...or those of the Hindus...or of Confuscius, or Lao-Tze? All those religions have been around much longer than Christianity... Good point. But I believe all those religions are based on real men, not on hoaxes. It's only Christ that claims to have risen from the dead. The others didn't dare, or didn't think to make such claims. :^)Jim Condit Jr. June Because they weren't so stupid as to claim the impossible as was done for the mythological Jesus. -- "And it came to pass that in the last days catatonics roamed the earth, and great monsters ruled the masses." Joshua II DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] If HIV really causes AIDS, where's the evidence? / Medical fascism
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.registerguard.com/news/19981229/ed.col.tyson.1229.html A HREF="http://www.registerguard.com/news/19981229/ed.col.tyson.1229.html" The Register-Guard: Opinion: If HIV really caus /A - December 29, 1998 Opinion: If HIV really causes AIDS, where's the evidence? By DAVID TYSON WHEN MY WIFE, KATHLEEN, tested positive for HIV in October, the sixth month of her pregnancy, we were both stunned. Even more confusing was that my blood tested negative for HIV. We have been married for more than 10 years, monogamous, and never received blood transfusions. Our calculations indicate that we have had 300 percent more sessions of unprotected sex than the literature suggests is required for transmission. Kathleen is and always has been a robust specimen. Neither of us is an intravenous drug user. It was clear that what we had heard about HIV and what we were observing in our own bodies raised profound questions. On our doctor's advice, Kathleen started a regimen of a protease inhibitor and AZT. I hit the books, motivated to get a grasp on the science of our situation and, as it turns out, the politics of the plague warriors. After several weeks reviewing the ``literature'' disseminated by the National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, I was angry. Nowhere was there any elucidation on a causative link between HIV and AIDS. There were assumptions aplenty, some obscure lab reports, but nothing resembling the precise elucidation that I associate with scientific thinking. I was not, I discovered, alone in my frustration. Dr. Kary Mullis, recipient of the 1993 Nobel Prize for chemistry for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction, someone eminently more qualified than I am to discover such a document, was unable to do so either. Dr. Mullis reports: ``I did computer searches. Neither Montagnier, Gallo, nor anyone else had published papers describing experiments which led to the conclusion that HIV probably caused AIDS. I read the papers in Science for which they had become well known as AIDS doctors, but all they had said there was that they had found evidence of a past infection by something which was probably HIV in some AIDS patients. They found antibodies. Antibodies to viruses had always been considered evidence of past disease, not present disease. Antibodies signaled that the virus had been defeated. The patient had saved himself. There was no indication in these papers that this virus caused a disease. They didn't show that everybody with the antibodies had the disease. In fact they found some healthy people with antibodies.'' (``The Medical Establishment vs. the Truth,'' Penthouse magazine, September 1998.) Mullis goes on to note that to obtain satisfaction in matters pertaining to HIV and AIDS one can do no better than review the literature developed by Peter Duesberg, professor of microbiology at the University of California, Berkeley. Duesberg has studied retroviruses for 25 years and is considered by some to have the most brilliant mind in the field today. Duesberg, it turns out, has argued all along that HIV cannot possibly cause AIDS. His arguments take on the cadence and power of mathematical certainty. Perhaps the most compelling strategy he uses to arrive at his conclusion is the well known scientific principle which states that a theory, in order to be useful, must accurately predict observed phenomena. It can be demonstrated that the infectious HIV/AIDS theory predicts none of the observed phenomena. (My own highly personal observation corroborates this.) There came a point in my research where I started to doubt our medical establishment. Science and conventional wisdom appear to take divergent paths. If Duesberg is correct, the American medical establishment and particularly the Centers for Disease Control should start to notice a substance significantly more repugnant than egg on its collective face. We have an epidemic on our hands all right, an epidemic of bad science - with legions of duped and/or unquestioning doctors of medicine as co-conspiritors. This affair seen in all its stark ramifications is nothing short of murderous fraud on a vast, global scale. But I should perhaps return to my own story. My failure to find any elucidation of the mechanism of pathogenicity for the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, and my success in discovering conclusive evidence of the powerful toxicity associated with anti-retroviral drugs, persuaded my wife and me to abandon her therapy. Compelling arguments put forth by John Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D., Dr. Eleni Papadopulos, a biophysicist, and Dr. Roberto Giraldo, an infectious disease specialist, which indicate that HIV is, at worst, a harmless endogenous retrovirus, diminished our health concerns considerably. So it was that our baby, Felix Hugh, was born at 9:55 p.m. on Dec. 7. He weighed 7 pounds, 7 ounces and was as perfect a little boy as anyone could possibly hope. We
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] CIA,POS, intelligence gathering
From: "ANTHONY" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack wrote: "Please note that Ct. Guelfi started his PoS activities at age 21 by "gathering intelligence." While some intelligence gathering might be of religious or at least nonclassified information, he gave us no assurance that the PoS does not engage in illegal espionage." In reference to this an interesting book recently re-released by the Croatians and written by Henri Pozzi in the early part of this century titled "The Black Hand Over Europe" is worth looking at. Many threads to be found here.There is a web site at : Black Hand info: http://vukovar.unm.edu/~vuksan/blackhand/index.html and another at :http://cronet.com/cic/blackh/index.htm both have the same information. I suggest looking at The Constitution of the Serbian Black Hand . I posted this information earlier this month, Pozzi was a chief intelligence officer for the UK during WW1 2. He seems to have keep tabs on secret societies, the Mafia, political groups, ect. and their connections. Have not read his book, but perhaps he mentions the POS or related facets. regards To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos - - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites
[CTRL] Fwd: CFR National Security Council Members
On Friday December 25, 1998 Reuters reported: Clinton Names USAID Head Atwood Envoy To Brazil WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Clinton has named U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) administrator Brian Atwood as ambassador to Brazil, the White House said Thursday. The nomination is subject to U.S. Senate approval. Atwood has led USAID, the agency that administers U.S. economic assistance around the world, since 1993. Previously, he served as a diplomat in Ivory Coast and Spain, and as Assistant Secretary of State for Congressional relations. What Reuters didn't report is President Clinton and Brian Atwood are Council on Foreign Relations members and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) is part of the Council on Foreign Relations run United States Psycho-Political Operations organization. Hadley Cantril and Lloyd Free were Princeton University Social Psychologists, researchers, and members of the intelligence community. Council on Foreign Relations Member Nelson Rockefeller funded them to develop psycho-political policy strategies and techniques. Council on Foreign Relations Member Edward R. Murrow, would, with Rockefeller Foundation Funding conduct a research project to perform a systematic analysis of Nazi radio propaganda techniques and the political use of radio. This study would result in a world wide monitoring and broadcasting Government agency called the Foreign Broadcast Intelligence Service (FBIS). FBIS would become the United States Information Agency (USIA). The USIA was established to achieve US foreign policy by influencing public attitude at home and abroad using psycho-political policy strategies. The USIA Office of Research and reference service prepares data on psychological factors and propaganda problems considered by the Policy Planning Board in formulating psycho-political information policies for the National Security Council (NSC). The USIA advises the Agency for International Development (AID)on the implications of foreign public opinion for AID programs. Both in Washington and at posts abroad, the two agencies work together to assure USIA's effective support for US assistance programs, and conversely, to insure that AID programs support US psychological objectives. US psychological operations are scripted, directed, and controlled by Council on Foreign Relations members in the State Department, National Security Council, Central Intelligence Agency(CIA), United States Information Agency, and Agency for International Development. The Council on Foreign Relations has only 3000 members yet controls over three-quarters of the nations wealth. Council on Foreign Relations members make up a "Secret Team" that occupy the top positions in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government; who control the broadcasting and news agencies; who head the largest law firms; who direct the largest private foundations and universities; and who hold top commands in the military. The Council on Foreign Relations has placed 100 Council on Foreign Relations "Secret Team" members in every Presidential Administration since Woodrow Wilson. They work together to misinform and disinform the President to act in the best interest of the Council on Foreign Relations not the best interest of the American People. The "Secret Team" help carry out psycho-political operations scripted by Council on Foreign Relations members in the state department and the Intelligence Organizations. The Council on Foreign Relations "Secret Team" is structured as circles within circles. The psycho-political operations are coordinated by an inner circle of Council on Foreign Relations members called the Special Group. The Special Group evolved from the Psychological Strategy Board. The Psychological Strategy Board was designed and run by Council on Foreign Relations members Gordon Gray and Henry Kissinger. The Psychological Strategy Board was established by an Executive Order written by President Harry Truman. Psycho-political operations are structured so Council on Foreign Relations sponsorship of an operation can be kept secret. The part played by a "Secret Team" member is often kept secret from "Secret Team" members. This allows the "Secret Team" member to deny participation in the operation. The National Security Council was established by the National Security Act of 1947. The National Security Council advises the president with respect to the integration of domestic, foreign, and military policies relating to national security. The National Security Council is the principal forum for the consideration of national security policy issues requiring a presidential decision. The National Security Council is chaired by the President. Its statutory members, in addition to the President, are the Vice President and the Secretaries of State and Defense. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the statutory military advisor to the Council, and the Director of
