[CTRL] Impeachment Diary
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM Impeachment diary III In the absence of real action, Senate insiders give the House Boyz low grades, rue the end of bipartisan cooperation and spread a whole lotta rumors about Trent Lott. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - During the impeachment trial, Salon is publishing occasional entries in this impeachment diary by a senior aide to a U.S. senator who must remain anonymous. BY ANONYMOUS Thursday, Jan. 14 8:30 a.m. Let's get ready to rumble! I arrive at work. You can feel the excitement, the nervousness, the electricity. Even the janitorial staff, busy clearing ice from the walkways, talks of nothing else. There is a sense of relief that the start is finally here. We all just want this thing over. The phones are already ringing off the hook. I smile at the front desk folks, all freshly minted college grads who came to Washington to change the world and were promptly handed a headset and a message pad. It beats working at McDonald's. Barely. By 9 a.m. they've had over 80 calls. I ask for a percentage for and against impeachment. "One hundred percent angry," is their response. Yeah, me too. 11 a.m. My boss meets with the third consecutive group of people from our state, who can talk about nothing else but the trial. He smiles and tries to ask them about their concerns; they ask if he has met Monica Lewinsky. Suddenly Monica's much cooler than a United States senator. From pariah to pop star in just a few weeks. 11:30 a.m. Get a call from the head of a major constituency group who hates my boss. His group has spent tens of thousands of dollars against him in the past, calling him a liar, a zealot and other nasty shots. He lectures me about his feelings on impeachment, as if I cared. I resist the temptation to tell him where to stick his opinion. Why do groups who spend their time and money screwing you believe that you care one iota what they think or do? Here's the insider advice to those backing political candidates: Don't guess wrong. And if you do, don't bother calling us. 1 p.m. Trial time. The atmosphere in the Capitol is electric as my boss and I get off the internal subway. Reporters are camped out downstairs screaming questions at him as we walk past. Photographers jump out to snap photos of any senator in sight. We are the Beatles. Staff wait with briefing memos to hand to their bosses as they whiz buy. Security is everywhere and only they are the same as ever: their usual cold, professional selves. It's prom night in the Senate chambers. They've gussied it up for the trial and it looks unusually beautiful. As they walked through the door, I noticed that none of the senators were smiling. Even those who support impeachment walked in, saw the pandemonium and realized that this game was for real: They were trapped inside this musty room until one side blinks. My boss asks me to ask his secretary for a better seat cushion. Each senator is given three tickets to hand out to constituents. The requests are numerous, and an informal "who's done what for us lately" merit system is used to distribute them. The kid we asked to handle the system quits after the first day, saying he was sick of getting yelled at. An aggressive, smart intern is next given this chore. She's a trouper; she hasn't even cried yet. 3 p.m. Senate staff phone one another with bipartisan gossip. Republicans and Democrats all agree: The House members look small, bitterly partisan and lost on the Senate stage, like high school boys playing "mock Congress" as part of an honors program. The House Boyz just don't understand the Senate. They came on too strong and too partisan. The Senate likes to mask its sharp-as-nails jabs with good-natured colloquialisms and smiles. The House Boyz were raised on "one-minute" House speech limits. Now, instead of using their skill of brevity, they wallowed in their freedom, realizing that the entire political world was watching them and they had 24 glorious hours in which to share their wisdom. Watching the trial, we quickly nickname it MNTV, for Mind-Numbing Television. Even Dan Rather went away early. Rep. James Sensenbrenner was so dull he put constitutional experts to sleep, drooling onto their tweedy jackets. And who was the unimaginative graphic artist who put together the graphs and charts that the House managers used? I've seen dental records that looked more appealing. 6 p.m. The Democrats are going nuts over the revelation that the House managers have begun contacting potential witnesses, despite the Gramm-Kennedy deal that left that question for another day. Surprise rang up from the press corps at this "violation" of last Friday's agreement. How could anyone be surprised? Despite the fact that they'd made no real agreement on witnesses, the Democrats trucked Tom Daschle out to do his "sermon on the mount" bit, noting that he hoped it wasn't a harbinger of things to come. I'm sure that's what the Japanese thought after
Re: [CTRL] Court kills suit on seized property
-Caveat Lector- Well, this does not help matters much but of course ignores the real issue of the unconstitutionality of the whole seizure issue. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 11:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I stand in awe of the way you weave every subject imaginable into the pattern of your never ending story. Are you capable of writing about ANY theme without reducing it to bad Republicans and saintly Democrats? If so, please have mercy on us all. Barb Thank you Barb! You have reiterated a comment that I have made vis a vis Prudy's remarks before. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bully Pulpit?
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM Starr's lowest blow Picture: Julie Hiatt Steele In indicting Julie Hiatt Steele, the independent counsel continues a pattern of bullying women. BY BRUCE SHAPIRO | I phoned Julie Hiatt Steele last week at the behest of a mutual acquaintance. I felt a bit like a voyeur: Just a few hours earlier this 51-year-old single mother had been indicted by Kenneth Starr. I fully expected to find someone broken by inquisitorial pressure. Her travails had already been recounted in the press, on talk shows and in Congress: investigation of her 8-year-old's adoption, the prospect of facing down the nation's most powerful prosecutor with no resources of her own. Yet the voice on the other end of the phone was neither shattered nor haunted. Angry, yes; and so protective of her son that she doubted he should ever even meet a reporter. But when I asked her what she most desired, her answer was neither peace nor a return to privacy nor that the pressure on her family end. It was one word, repeated several times: "Vindication." Julie Hiatt Steele is, as has been widely written, merely a peripheral figure in the Clinton impeachment saga: a former friend of Kathleen Willey who once vouched for Willey's claim that she was groped by the president and later -- before the Monica Lewinsky scandal ever broke -- told Newsweek she'd lied at Willey's behest. Yet while Steele is a third-tier player -- a carrier of gossip -- her indictment goes to the heart of the Clinton impeachment trial. Not, as has been generally presumed, because she might somehow bring Willey's allegations to life again, but because Steele's own story fits conveniently into the baroque, conspiratorial tapestry that Starr and the House impeachment squad have spun in hopes of driving the president from office. The basic facts bear repeating. In August 1997, Newsweek reported Willey's claim that President Clinton had groped her in the Oval Office. Reporter Michael Isikoff talked to Steele, who said Willey had told her about the incident at the time. But before Isikoff's article ever appeared, Steele changed her story: Her friend Willey, she told Isikoff, had asked her to spread the story of harassment, but she admitted the story was a fabrication. Newsweek printed both versions. Eventually, Julie Steele -- a registered Republican active in charitable work and social service -- found herself interviewed by Ken Starr's FBI agents and subpoenaed before two of his grand juries. Each time, she repeated her recantation of the initial story. Each time, the pressure increased: Starr called her brother, her former lawyer and her adult child. And Steele charged in the media -- most notably on the Larry King show -- that Starr's staff even asked questions about the legality of her adoption of a Romanian infant, her son Adam, now 8. Is this about resurrecting Willey? Certainly, Steele stood in the way of Willey being more than a footnote to the Starr Report or the House's articles of impeachment. Yet even if Steele reversed herself tomorrow, it would not do much to make Willey a credible witness against the president at his trial -- and Starr's staff knows it. As Salon was the first to report, Willey herself has severe credibility problems: She had once falsely accused a business associate of murdering her husband, harassing him so persistently that a judge issued an arrest warrant; she was sued for evading repayment of money her husband had embezzled; and later, after she appeared on "60 Minutes," White House documents showed that she'd substantially misrepresented her contact with Clinton after the president's alleged pass. What she may or may not have once told Steele does not alter the shaky foundations of her dependability. N E X T+P A G E+| Why pursue Julie Hiatt Steele? STARR'S LOWEST BLOW | PAGE 1, 2 - - - - - - - - - - But if not for Willey, why is Starr pursuing this single mother, sending FBI agents to probe into her son's adoption and finally threatening Steele herself with prison? The answer is buried in Paragraph 17 of Starr's indictment: Because in January 1998, months after she'd already told Newsweek the Willey story was false, "an attorney for President Clinton interviewed Defendant Steele at her home in Virginia." Shortly afterward, Steele provided the president's legal team with an affidavit repeating the recantation she'd already made to the press. There you have it. Long before the Lewinsky story broke, Ken Starr and the impeachment faction convinced themselves that their Arkansas and Washington trawls were coming up empty only because the president's attorneys were acting like mob lawyers in "The Godfather," buying the silence of those with knowledge of supposed presidential wrongdoing, or delivering the Arkansas equivalent of a horse's head. This explained Webster Hubbell's and Susan McDougal's persistent refusal to implicate the Clintons in their own illegalities; it explained the failure of Whitewater,
Re: [CTRL] David Belin dies
-Caveat Lector- DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- David W. Belin, a prominent Des Moines attorney who served as a top investigator to the Warren Commission, died Sunday from head injuries suffered in a fall in a Minnesota hotel room. He was 70. Belin, born in the nation's capital, moved to Des Moines in 1954 and began practicing law. In 1978, he and other lawyers founded the firm that would eventually become Belin Lamson McCormick Zumbach Flynn, where he served as a senior partner until his death. Belin's public service included an appointment to serve as counsel to the Warren Commission, which investigated President John F. Kennedy's assassination. He wrote two books on the subject, including ``Final Disclosure'' in 1988. In 1991, Belin defended the Warren Commission's work against attacks made in the Oliver Stone movie ``JFK.'' Belin called the film ``a big lie that would make Adolf Hitler proud.'' Belin also served as executive director to the Rockefeller Commission, which investigated CIA activities within the United States. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pinochet: 01-16
-Caveat Lector- Is anyone "impartial"? As head of the judiciary, it seems to me that the buck should stop with her. Howard Davis Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- Here's a quick and dirty on the Brit Gov't. Note this: ""She is impartial and acts only on the advice of her ministers."" From http://www.britannia.com/gov/gov4.html THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT: A Brief Overview Information courtesy of The British Information Services -- : From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] : This is interesting in : that the fact that the House of Lords is hearing an appeal indicates : that the rule of royalty is still in place there. If this is so, why : could not Pinochet appeal to a higher authority which would be the : soveriegn. That, of course, would mean that Queen Elizabeth would have : to rule on the case. No matter what the ruling, it would shake things : up. Does anyone know why this could not be done? : : Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- At 08:13 PM 1/17/99 -0800, Chris wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that can result from exposure to the ideas of others, and are especially confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view. It is probably better that you filter, rather than overextend. Barb maybe you and squawk ought to start your own list, then you could expose each other to the truth and logic of your ideas. and you would not be lonely because you would have each other. grinnin' dis time, chris Chris, you know I'd never leave without you!! Besides, you need truth and logic and who would worry about your meds?? Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- At 10:02 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of 'credibility and reputation'. We also know that when it comes to assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege. Prudy Consider rephrasing that to: Ah June, you have so much common knowledge. (Oh, and you might consider adding a meeeowww, just to get the tone right). Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Helping out the President
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Joke of the Day [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 1999 14:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Helping out the President ___ Helping out the President A Marine colonel on his way home from work at the Pentagon came to a dead halt in traffic and thought to himself, "Wow, this traffic seems worse than usual. Nothing's even moving." He notices a police officer walking back and forth between the lines of cars so he rolls down his window and asks, "Excuse me, Officer, what's the hold up?" The Officer replies, "The President is just so depressed about the impeachment thing he stopped his motorcade in the middle of the Beltway and he's threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says his family hates him and he doesn't have the $33.5 million he owes his lawyers. I'm walking round taking up a collection for him". "Oh really? How much have you collected so far?" "So far only about a hundred gallons but I've got a lot of folks still siphoning." --- Thanks to SBCGreen for that one! ___ FREE CGI-Scripts, FREE Shopping Cart, FREE Background Music, FREE Web Site Themes all from Phantom Webs, Inc. Affordable web site hosting PLUS Virtual Servers for designers and resellers all with Control Panels for easy management. Total E-Commerce solutions featuring on-line real-time Internet payment systems, merchant accounts, and marketing plans. http://www.phantomwebs.com FREE set-up with mention of this ad. ___ The Original Email Joke of the Day! http://www.joker.org To SUBSCRIBE to the Joke of the Day send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Joke of the Day, and to live the rest of your life in humorless mediocrity, *forward* this email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or, SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE, at http://www.memail.com ___ Download your free animations from: http://www.joker.org/animations/ "I'm just working here till a good fast-food job opens up." Please include the above information when you forward this to friends! :) --- You are currently subscribed to joker as: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To unsubscribe, forward this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - PJ Gaenir's Archives - Core page.
REMOTE VIEWING Archives The original DIA/Army Coordinate Remote Viewing Manual is now available at Firedocs. http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/core2.html . Title: Firedocs Remote Viewing Collection - PJ Gaenir's Archives - Core page. REMOTE VIEWING Nothing hyped here. Just way more remote viewing info than you'll have time to read. Bookmark and return! The original DIA/Army Coordinate Remote Viewing Manual is now available at Firedocs. New Stuff: 10 Aug - Science section is ~80% back online. 09Aug- Joseph McMoneagle's upcoming book. 09 Aug - Revised featured section. 09 Aug - PJ's Bewilderness is back online. (non-RV) Coming Soon: The Firedocs Target Library is coming back online Some FAQ on selecting targets for beginning RV THE ANSWERS (Section: 30html/720K;partial) Remote viewing articles, exercises, manuals, advice, overviews FAQs.YADA YADA YADA (Section: 112html/4.88M;partial) A mind numbing quantity of remote viewing discussion with some of the experts. FEATURED (Section: 38html/928K) Joseph W. McMoneagle OOOH! AAAH! (Section: 77html/873K) Remote viewing news, media, transcripts, resumes field politics. EXPERTS EXPOUND (Section not yet back online) Remote Viewing anomalous cognition abstracts, articles and refs. Science links.TRY YOUR MIND (Section not yet back online) Big remote viewing target library. Beginning to advanced. Photos and outbounders (beacons), time/space dowsing, RV targets with feedback. EXIT TUNNEL (Section: 66html/2.02M) RV web links, RV field notes, PJRV, PJ commentaries, and some misc. items (some non-RV) on this site. SPLASH ENTRANCE (Section: 5html/26K) Tunnel tidbits may change. PJ's Notes: I've retired from online RV stuff as of July 4, 1998. (My notice is here.) Updates to this site will be mostly catching up the archives, providing session examples and comments in the exit tunnel (commentary area). I suggest those new to RV begin in the FAQ section. Current site (HTML only): 9.450 Megs/ 328 files (This is partial; site is not fully online.) Paradigm Systems Design (Everything Web! Great prices!) All logos and original content Copyright © 1996-1998 to Palyne PJ Gaenir. All rights reserved. THE ANSWERS (FAQs) YADA YADA YADA (ARCHIVES) OOOH! AAAH! (MEDIA) EXPERTS EXPOUND (SCIENCE) TRY YOUR MIND! (TARGETS) SPLASH ENTRANCE (ENTER) EXIT TUNNEL (EXIT) FIREDOCS (CORE PAGE)
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) DISEASE OUTBREAK IN FLORIDA
-Caveat Lector- Here is a government statement on the outbreak. Everyone be careful on the Fla circuit and at Westminister. For those who don't know, the Westminster Kennel Club show is the 'Super Bowl' of dog shows, and attracts entrants not only from around the country, but from around the world. It's held in Madison Square Garden in NYC in February. If 'someone' wished to spread a bug worldwide, infecting showdogs just before an international event like this is held probably would be part of the plan...just speculation on my part, tho... Trainers reported that dogs suffering the mystery illness were bleeding through the nose and the mouth, discharging bloody stools. One should be asking what similarities this has to human hemoraghic fever, and whether the disease can cross species... The track imposed a quarantine on its greyhounds and set up an around-the-clock infirmary to combat the illness, which officials say poses no threat to humans. Are they sure? than the one in St. Petersburg, Garry Duell, assistant racing secretary at the track, said Sunday. "It's not the same virus," he insisted. "It's the normal kennel cough that they get this time of year.'' One should ask why 'kennel cough' is considered 'normal' at ANY time of year...it reflects poor sanitation at the kennel... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Alamaine Ratliff wrote: Perhaps, as others have pointed out, to preserve their 'dignity' (not showing innattentiveness). Has anyone asked C-SPAN? CSPAN only has cameras in the House and in the Senate at the perogative of Congress itself...it first got permission from the House to start covering House sessions in the mid-80s, but had a problem getting permission from the Senate to cover ITS sessions... Permission was only granted, I believe in 1987, if CSPAN promised to only show the speaker's podium, and NOT place cameras so that the rest of the room could be visible, e.g. the Senators in their assigned seats. No REASON was given, but the presumption (back in 1987) was that the Senators didn't want their constituents to see how often the Senator was NOT in attendance (and perhaps catch him sleeping when he is)... This decision was made back in 1987, and it's the rules under which CSPAN is operating today... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OBRL - American Anti-Slavery Group (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: OBRL-News [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:- American Anti-Slavery Group Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/index.htm Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** AMERICAN ANTI-SLAVERY GROUP January 1999 Update There have been many exciting developments in the anti-slavery movement over the past few months. NEW WEBSITE: Log on to American Anti-Slavery Group's newly-redesigned website at http://www.anti-slavery.org. The site features extensive documentation of modern day slavery, recent articles in the press, and suggestions for ways you can take action. ANTI-SLAVERY SCHOOL KIDS WIN THE NATION'S HEART: The S.T.O.P. Slavery Campaign launched by Barbara Vogel's fifth grade class in Denver was all over the national media in December. Our website's Updates section has links to articles from the New York Times and Time Magazine, as well as audio feeds from NPR's All Things Considered. Classes across the country are joining on to the campaign. If you are a parent or teacher who would like more information, please call us at 800-884-0719. MUSEUM OF TOLERANCE ABOLITIONIST SYMPOSIUM: The Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum of Tolerance will host an international townhall meeting on contemporary black slavery on February 25. Speakers will include abolitionists, emancipators, eyewitnesses, and former slaves. Celebrities and political leaders will also be in attendance. Schools, libraries, and other institutions with video conferencing capabilities can hook into the event. Audio feed will also be broadcast live on the web. More info to come soon. L.A. TIMES COMMENTARY: The following op-ed, written by AASG President Charles Jacobs, ran in the L.A. Times on December 28, 1998. It has since been syndicated in newspapers around the country. Los Angeles Times - Monday, December 28, 1998 In Sudan, a 12-Year-Old Girl Can Be Bought for $50 Slavery: Rights groups are redeeming war captives for cash. But political change is needed. By CHARLES JACOBS It is a year before the millennium and Theresa Nybol Deng is a slave. In May, she was taken captive when the government-armed militia stormed her village in southern Sudan. Soldiers shot the men, looted the village and carted off as many women and children as they could. Theresa is 12 years old. She can be purchased for $50. If her fate is anything like that of tens of thousands of black Africans who have become chattel in Sudan's civil war, Theresa has been sold and bought. She is likely serving a master somewhere in northern Sudan, Libya or the Persian Gulf. If she was selected as a concubine, she will have been genitally mutilated--to be acceptable in her master's culture--and then she will have been bred. Theresa is a victim of a religious war, which also is this century's longest lasting armed conflict. For more than a decade, the Islamic fundamentalist government in Sudan has been using slave raids as the terror weapon of choice in its self-declared "holy war" on the African population in the south. While the goal is to Islamize and Arabize Sudan's Christians and tribalists, the Islamist extremists in Khartoum also have devastated the moderate Muslim Nuba peoples. Slaves like Theresa are given Arab names and forcibly converted to Islam. Slavery in Sudan has been well researched. Among the first to report slave raids was a courageous Arab professor from the University of Khartoum. He was jailed for his effort. Since then, journalists, human rights organizations and the U.N. have documented these raids. U.N. special investigator Gaspar Biro visited Sudan several times and confirmed that human bondage was a tactic of this war. Reporting on "modern day slave markets," Biro found that "the racial dimension of the violations and abuses against children constitutes a particularly grave and alarming circumstance, which should be of particular concern from a human rights perspective." Yet the fate of Theresa and her people has not been of particular concern in the West. Because of scant media coverage or because many people don't know or because this slavery doesn't fit the familiar black and white pattern or because we fear offending the Muslim world, a shameful silence pervades. Thankfully, that is beginning to change. America, after all, is a nation that tore itself apart over the issue of one person owning another, and Americans who learn of today's black slavery do not remain silent. Barbara Vogel, a fifth grade teacher from Denver, has sparked a national movement. After she read a news article on slavery to her class, the kids saved their lunch money to purchase the freedom of Sudanese slaves. They joined an
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of the study. Well, I think this is called merchandising. The matter would certainly be of more interest right now. Prudy Actually, for once you and I agree...but I think the JAMA aspires to being 'apolitical' (not that it really is), but by deliberately pushing the scheduled publication date up to coincide with the impeachment trial, the editor basically tipped the magazine's hand in showing that it's claim to being above politics is a fraud. June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote: Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of her husband's brain, Even in the commonly seen version she can be seen ON THE TRUNK OF THE LIMO. That's what I said...that according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back -- e.g. the TRUNK -- of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of Jack's brains and skull, which she continued to hold in her lap when she got back into the seat, and which she carried into Parkland and handed to the first doctor she saw, saying something like "Here, this may help"... This is her own account, which understandably is probably colored by the trauma and emotion she underwent at the time...but she very pointedly wanted it known that she was NOT trying to get out of the limo when she climbed onto the trunk... The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull, ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it... I am referring to an incident when Jackie was on THE BACK OF THE LIMO and the Yes, she was grabbing a portion of Jack's skull/brains which had been blown onto the trunk... secret service agent I saw very visibly pointed to the seat at which point Jackie is seen to make her way back to her seat. Yep. According to JACKIE's own testimony, the SS agent came from the rear car, jumped onto the trunk and directed her back into her seat... nothing ominous about it, according to her he was just doing his job, wanting to make sure that: a. she didn't fall off the trunk and hurt herself b. she was making herself an easier target by being out on the trunk... all. Incidentally, is Jackie going to go by any other than the official account when it is the highest police body in the country that she can see is part of this? Just who is she going to go to? Aristotle Onassis... ;-) I imagine words like, "If you do as we tell you, your kids get to be ambassadors, senators..." Perhaps. But I'll still give slightly more credence to the eyewitnesses who were directly involved than in any conjectures by 'true believers' who have turned their pet assassination theory into a religion... Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots were being fired, "My God! They're going to kill us ALL!" Connally's wife...after he was shot FROM THE BACK...look at the film and photos...any shot from the driver would have had to go whizzing right by her nose... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- It is common practice, among the major media, to set such stories to the "beat" of convenience. There is a rhythm which pulses out the heartbeat of propaganda to condition and control the mind set of America. This incident is very small, compared to the manipulations manifested over the years. It is how we were fed the Federal Reserve System, the United Nations and the multitude of Rhode's scholar designs put forth by our present and many past presidents. Follow the money trail and the power path !! New World Order !! -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath? Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 7:34 PM -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/16/99 6:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of the study. Well, I think this is called merchandising. The matter would certainly be of more interest right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] George Washington's pointers on civility.
-Caveat Lector- This is just a selection: "11th - Shift not yourself in the Sight of others nor Gnaw your nails. 12th - Shake not the head, Feet, or Legs rowl not the Eys lift not one eyebrow higher than the other wry not the mouth, and bedew no mans face with your Spittle, by appr[oaching too nea]r him [when] you Speak. 13th - Kill no Vermin as Fleas, lice ticks c in the Sight of Others, if you See any filth or thick Spittle put your foot Dexteriously upon it if it be upon the Cloths of your Companions, Put it off privately, and if it be upon your own Cloths return Thanks to him who puts it off." For more: http://www.virginia.edu/gwpapers/civility/civ-tran.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 11:57:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This survey, if true, speaks volumes regarding education, mind control and indoctrination - not to mention stupidity. Scary stuff. You're on the right list, girl. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Monica Paula-Just the Facts
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 11:43:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's review some basic facts: Paula Jones said Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton solicited her -- in the crudest, most vulgar way, Billy-Bob, white trash manner -- for oral sex. Not for straight sex, mind you. Not for a long-term affair. Not for a night at a cheap motel. No. For a few minutes of quick, wham, bam, thank-you Ma'am oral sex in a hotel suite. He was a busy man and he needed what he needed without any foreplay, candlelight or small talk. And what he needed was very specific -- he needed her to, in his words, "kiss it." Let's also keep in mind that Paula Jones was a state employee. Clinton wasn't just her boss -- he was the ultimate boss. He was the king of Arkansas. He could move the Ozarks. There wasn't anything he couldn't do in the land of Little Rock. Paula Jones was a lowly, hourly employee who seldom if ever came into contact with such movers and shakers. When this simple peasant girl had the nerve to refuse the wishes of her ultimate master, she was warned not to make any trouble over this. Remember, he told her, I know your supervisor -- we're good friends. Don't tell anyone about this. You're a smart girl. My goodness, Gavin, you do this so well, I suspect you write it for a living. You have such syjpathy for that poor little peasant girl (a new way to say trailer trash?), it almost makes me cry. Only a simple peasant girl would have gone up to that hotel room, and those troopers would never have thought she was the town tramp, if she hadn't been very simple. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
E Mail wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that >can result from exposure to the ideas of others, Yes, it can be difficult to look at other ideas, but if you don't you are stuck in a rut, and learning, learning is limited to what you believe. Some times your beliefs should be challenged, when they are you see the other way people can look at things, and your beliefs might get stronger. Are some of the people on the list, so insecure, they have to resort to name calling. Let us get back to the topic, and to references..and follow the rules that this list was built on...no emailing. and are especially >confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view. It >is >probably better that you filter, rather than overextend. >>>AMEN maybe you and squawk ought to start your own list, then you could expose each other to the truth a Well, the truth or even discussing another point of view is not welcomed here, at least not on this subject. It appears in looking back at the archive people have drawn this Hawk guy into a conversation, by saying stuff like why aren't you answeringwell not in those words but means the same and when he does, when anyone else does, with a different point of view you attack. and logic of your ideas >>Logic...yes logic is needed on this list or at least with this discussion. I hate name calling of any kind, and it looks like that is what is expected on this list. If someone has a different point of view you knock him/her down. You have to learn to take your blinders off and look at the whole picture...like different mores...and the like. What happened in the past can not be judged correctly by today's mores. bet you even think...that we should apologize...going to another war here, for the bombing of Hiroshima. and you would not be lonely because you would have each other. >>>and probably a lot more. You answering with your rudeness is what I meant by Kris setting the tone, for this listabusive, narrow minded.at least with this subject and how this discussion has been going. grinnin' dis time, chris >Wait !! Are you the same Kris...that has this list.now I am sounding paranoid.and you knowgrinning can be done by even an idiot...G> lol See what I mean...this is how you sound...abusive. >Your minds seem to be closed to any learning..all SOME of you want to do, is find a clique and go by that. There is no basis for name calling here. >>Remember me sending this following post in reply to someone writing this. I would say that this list is in deep trouble---again. Well I thought things quieted down, but I was wrong, people have to keep badgering one another and it isn't from the newbies. > > Remember me writing this in one of my previous posts(trying to get back onto the topic...just watch..for name calling) >>>Well, I wasn't wrong, was I ? Tried to get it back on to the topic and what happens ? People get called names again !!! I would say that this list is in deep trouble---again. > > >Right !! Let us get back to the topic..at hand. I do want to learn and will, if we can get back to the points at hand. Now we're doing it with some other guys who think some slavery is okay? I never said it was okay..try to relate to the past. Can we condemn those, the society for different mores. It was not necessarily wrong at that time. Carlene (trying to get back onto the topic...just watch..for name calling)
Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 11:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I stand in awe of the way you weave every subject imaginable into the pattern of your never ending story. Are you capable of writing about ANY theme without reducing it to bad Republicans and saintly Democrats? If so, please have mercy on us all. Yeah, well I was watching C-SPAN, and I wasn't the only one who noticed that Chairman Hyde and his cohorts were having a lot of fun. I called my own congressman's office (a Republican) and suggested that so much rollicking around was rather unseemly when they kept telling us what a grevious occasion this was for them. I wasn't the only one who commented. As for your question, I guess that as long as the Republicans are weaving every move Clinton makes into their own never ending investigation, I won't be able to change my ways. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Expert Discussed Power Grid: Prognosis? Downright SICK.
In a message dated 99-01-17 05:25:28 EST, J1mS1 writes: That's pretty plain language. To deal with this eventuality, NERC has devised a rationing plan whereby all power providers in the U.S. will go to electricity rationing one week before the rollover date and this rationing will last at least through the first week of January WHETHER THERE ARE Y2K PROBLEMS OR NOT!! When this plan was first aired, 25% of all utilities in the country refused to cooperate, but by January of this year, NERC had raised cooperation to 98%. Although NERC, a creation of the Department of Energy, has no enforcement powers, by applying pressures it has managed to gain this level of agreement. This means in all likelihood, we can expect rationing on or shortly after Christmas. Subj:Expert Discussed Power Grid on Art Bell Show: Prognosis? Downright SICK. Date: 99-01-14 22:19:42 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hammell) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] IAHF LIST: Many thanks to Ted Susu-Mago for this report. I hardly ever stay up for Art Bell, but after reading this report I might listen to the archived audio file on his website in order to hear everything Rodman said and also hear what the power utility executives had to say. Bell's website is: http://www.artbell.com On the January 12 Art Bell show, Stuart H. Rodman detailed the risks facing this nation's power grid and what the industry elite is planning to do about it. In a nutshell, the problem that most worries the industry is the imbedded chips, or "black boxes" as Rodman refers to them. The elites, in the form of the National Electricity Reliability Counsel, or NERC for short, issued their second quarterly report on January 11, stating that despite the herculean efforts of those involved in work on these systems, it is inconceivable that all the Y2K-vulnerable parts of the grid will be located and remediated before the rollover date. That's pretty plain language. To deal with this eventuality, NERC has devised a rationing plan whereby all power providers in the U.S. will go to electricity rationing one week before the rollover date and this rationing will last at least through the first week of January WHETHER THERE ARE Y2K PROBLEMS OR NOT!! When this plan was first aired, 25% of all utilities in the country refused to cooperate, but by January of this year, NERC had raised cooperation to 98%. Although NERC, a creation of the Department of Energy, has no enforcement powers, by applying pressures it has managed to gain this level of agreement. This means in all likelihood, we can expect rationing on or shortly after Christmas. So who's likely to get rationed? Well, the plan is for each utility to fend for itself. If you live in a part of the country where your utility depends on being able to purchase power from other stations to satisfy peak demand (i.e., holiday season, cold temperatures) you are at greatest risk. Your utility will raise your awareness of the wisdom, advisability, even need to conserve power with increasingly frequent public service messages to that effect as you approach the critical rationing period. Therefore, if you begin to hear such messages later this year, you can take that to mean there is an increased likelihood that you live in an area likely to be rationed. Rodman also described the industry's greatest fear, what it refers to as a "common mode failure." Much of the equipment used throughout the industry comes from relatively few suppliers of specialized equipment. Consequently, the same equipment is used, in very large numbers, by many different electric companies. This greatly increases the likelihood that if this generic equipment is Y2K vulnerable and mission-critical, and it is not found and remediated prior to the rollover, it will all fail simultaneously, time zone by time zone. This, more than any other eventuality, could cause the entire grid to black out. The Canadian government, remembering the ices storms of Winter 97-98 which blacked out power for up to eight weeks at the coldest time of the year, is anticipating that the effects of Y2K may be similar. Y2K vulnerable and mission critical black boxes are plentiful. During testimony before Senators Dodd and Bennet's Y2K subcommittee in early 1998, one utility confessed that within its jurisdiction it had identified 300,000 such devices that would need to be remediated to avoid shutdowns and other malfunctions. That's one utility. There are 200 bulk providers and over three thousand generating plants in this country. This gives some dimensions to NERC's statement that it is inconceivable that all such devices can be fixed before Y2K. Art Bell opened his phone lines to calls from electrical industry employees. Caller after caller told of big problems within the industry and the fact that top-level managers and CEO's are purchasing generators and solar systems for their homes. Many of Rodman's
Re: [CTRL] Subliminal Techniques?
-Caveat Lector- Jesse Dolan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Has anyone else noticed lately that there is a lot of Military Commercials. More than the usual Army, Navy, Marines etc. Commercials. Since I listen to AM radio a lot I have heard many many commercials featuring the Army, Navy, Marines and even the Selective Services. At first you may be thinking, "So what?" but it was not like this a year ago. And I see posters for the military on billboards, posters at stores, and other places. Am I the only one who is noticing this? Jesse Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954 --- All branches of the military are losing people in droves. Fewer people are signing up because the economy is doing well and it's not difficult to get jobs. The military has begun to lower its standards in order to get people to do the basic work which keeps them going day to day. This is a good thing in my opinion because fewer Americans will be at risk defending the corporate assets of the New World Order. That is why there will continue to be a blitz of advertising for quite a while. The poor will have the option of working for McD's rather than killing foreigners to secure beef for McD's. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [BIOWAR] Foreign Affairs: U.S. 'needs' Saddam
From: http://www.nando.net/noframes/story/0,2107,8531-14687-104216-0,00.html?group=n ation - United States needs nemesis, foreign affairs experts say Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By LAURA MYERS WASHINGTON (January 17, 1999 10:41 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - The United States needs Iraq's Saddam Hussein - or another "bad guy" nemesis - to rally support for foreign policy and defense spending, world affairs experts say. Think of the recent past. The U.S. enemies list has included Manuel Noriega and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Today, in addition to Saddam, there are Moammar Gadhafi, Slobodan Milosevic and Fidel Castro, although the aging Cuban leader has lost a good deal of his evil aura of late. Iraqi President Saddam emerged as a top U.S. threat when he invaded Kuwait in August 1990. The move angered his Persian Gulf neighbors and more importantly endangered the smooth functioning of the world's oil supplies. The strike prompted President Bush to compare Saddam to Hitler and organize an international force to expel Saddam's forces from the neighboring emirate. When President Clinton ordered airstrikes against Iraqi targets over four days in December, he, like Bush, had overwhelming public support. Robert Gates, former CIA director and deputy national security adviser during the Gulf War, said Americans have been "conditioned" to see Saddam as a threat. "The heart of it, I think, is against America's favorite bad guy," Gates said, speaking of the Dec. 16-19 U.S.-British assault on Saddam's forces. A tangible enemy helps unite the nation and justify a massive military - 1.4 million strong and costing about $280 billion a year - equipped and trained to fight two regional wars at once if necessary, analysts say. The end of the Cold War officially put Moscow in the friend column, shifting the focus to new foes. "When the Soviet Union was the 'Evil Empire,' other leaders around the world could have attracted our attention but mostly didn't because we were so focused on the Soviet threat," said Robert Ebel, a national security expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Now these other people have popped up in their place - the rogue of the week - whomever we are confronting now," he added. The administration targeted Iraq last month after Saddam refused to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors, required as part of the Gulf War cease-fire to ensure he didn't rebuild his chemical and biological weapons to threaten his neighbors again. Since late December, Iraq has challenged U.S. and British aircraft enforcing flight-interdiction rules over northern and southern swaths of Iraq. Iraqi pilots are flying into the off-limits airspace as Iraqi air defense sites launch missiles at the enforcers. No Western planes have been hit. Retired Army Col. Harry Summers said the United States has a long history of demonizing enemies, sometimes an entire population like the Japanese during World War II, but more often individual leaders. "It helps explain things to the American people," Summers said. "It always makes it easier to fight a war if you demonize people so that you're not killing human beings, you're killing the devil." In the case of Iraq, the Clinton administration is focusing its ire on Saddam partly because U.S. officials believe the Iraqi president's policies are harming his own poverty-stricken people, said Ebel of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "It's very easy for us to personalize the matter in Iraq. We have nothing against the people, just Saddam Hussein," Ebel said. It's a similar situation in Cuba, where Castro has ruled with a communist iron hand for four decades. Clinton eased a U.S. embargo against Cuba this month to allow Americans to send more money to needy Cubans while increasing people-to-people exchanges between the countries, direct mail service and the sale of food and agricultural goods to nongovernment entities. "The steps are designed to help the Cuban people without strengthening the Cuban government," Clinton said in a statement. Most foreign policy analysts say the U.S. administration should have eased or lifted the embargo against Cuba long ago but is reluctant to do so because Castro has been demonized by every president since John Kennedy and because of strong opposition by Cuban exiles in this country. "I think this is really a bankrupt policy in Cuba and has been for decades," said Robert Beisner, professor emeritus at American University, who is writing a book about U.S. foreign policy. "Demonizing Fidel for so many years makes it harder to reverse course now." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** BIOWAR-L Biowar/Bioterrorism/Toxins Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: unsubscribe BIOWAR-L or subscribe BIOWAR-L. Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Archive:
[CTRL] [Fwd: Fwd: We Have a Dream!]]
-Caveat Lector- Hi I just mailed this out on my list, and after looking at this, seems appropriate to be on this list as well. "Carlene M. Wojahn" wrote: This is from the "Outrage" list... WE HAVE A DREAM! We have a dream. Someday, in this great land of ours, people, including even lawyers and political activists, will come to believe character really does matter. We have a dream. We will no longer deify people who plagiarize their doctoral theses. If a man takes the title of Reverend, we'll expect him to honor at least a few of the Ten Commandments. If a married man competes with Hugh Hefner for sexual conquests, we won't feel compelled to listen to his moral wisdom. We have a dream. Someday, black churches in America will not be manipulated as institutional power bases by ambitious black men. We're starting to worry that the good reverends are using the Borgia Popes as their role models. We dream that the day will come when lawyers and politicians stop cynically using race as leverage to increase their wealth and power. We have a dream. Someday, quiet people leading lives of unheralded virtue and real productivity will be honored. Someday all people, black and white, will realize the real heroes aren't the ones giving speeches filled with bombastic rhetoric. Real heroes are quietly doing real work: building houses, writing software code, nursing the elderly, parenting the young -- the whole cornucopia of human endeavor that actually results in better lives for real people. We have a dream. Someday holidays will really matter, instead of serving as crass, meaningless tools of political correctness. People will actually give thanks on Thanksgiving. Christians will actually celebrate the birth of Christ on Christmas. New Year's Day will mean something other than recovering from a hangover and watching football on the tube. We have a dream. Someday Americans will realize there's something perverse about the idea of devoting an equal amount of time, and supposedly reverence, to: - a single civil rights leader - all of America's presidents including founding fathers like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson - and the thousands of men and women who have died defending the United States in wartime. Yet we have one day for Presidents Day, one day for Memorial Day, and one day to celebrate the life of Martin Luther King, Jr. We have a dream. Although we're as sentimental as the next fool, we hope that someday we'll all realize early death does not qualify one for sainthood. Whether it be John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, Princess Diana, or Martin Luther King, dying young may be the road to legend, but hardly a guarantee that the life was worth remembering, much less celebrating. Our final dream is that the day will come in America when one can criticize black cultural icons without being labeled a racist. We call this the impossible dream. --- We first published this essay last year to mark the celebration of Martin Luther King Day. We plan on publishing it annually until America begins celebrating a Come-Back-to-your-Senses holiday. --- RAGEBACK! Tell us what you think about the celebration of MLK Day http://www.theoutrage.com/rageback/99-01-15.html#soundoff Read what others have to say: http://www.theoutrage.com/rageback/99-01-15.html#rage QUOTE OF THE DAY! I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. -- Martin Luther King (1929-68), speech in Washington, August 27, 1963 --- Subscribing and Unsubscribing If for any reason you need to change your mailing address just unsubscribe your old mailing address and subscribe your new address. You can subscribe and unsubscribe at: http://www.athensnm.net/lists When unsubscribing, remember you must use the same address you used to sign up for the list. - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] World Of The Strange 1/18/99 Part 1 of 2
[Only the first part of this message is displayed. The entire message has been turned into a text attachment, which you can retrieve by selecting Download. Once downloaded, open it with a word processor or text editor for reading.] NOTE: Remember only 3 more weeks for the dead line on the writers contest! Part 1 of 2 # CONTENTS #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: //www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html A. Teens and Preteens Who (Mass) Murder B. Music and Mind Control C. Mind Control Victims-Personal Testimony #2. Crop Circles: Messages from Beyond? By: Ron Russell FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #3. What the Aliens Left Me!by Patrick David MacKondy FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #4. BOOK RELEASEThe Montauk Files by; K.B. Wells, Jr. kbwellsjr@aol. com # #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: //www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html All rights reserved All text within this document not quoted from other sources is the sole property of John A. Quinn/Newshawk Inc. No reproduction without permission. WOTS was granted permission in using this article. Series 9 of 10 http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph2.html TEENS AND PRETEENS WHO (MASS) MURDER The ongoing string of mass murders committed by young boys often right around the age of puberty (considered to be a very significant age by the Montauk Project mind control experiment operators), has finally pushed me over the brink; into confronting head-on the likelihood that this and a veritable blood orgy of similar mass murders by youngsters in the past couple of years--mostly but not only in the southeastern U.S.-- are the result of some sort of mind control program NOTE: Remember only 3 more weeks for the dead line on the writers contest! Part 1 of 2 # CONTENTS #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: //www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html A. Teens and Preteens Who (Mass) Murder B. Music and Mind Control C. Mind Control Victims-Personal Testimony #2. Crop Circles: Messages from Beyond? By: Ron Russell FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #3. What the Aliens Left Me!by Patrick David MacKondy FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #4. BOOK RELEASEThe Montauk Files by; K.B. Wells, Jr. kbwellsjr@aol. com # #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: //www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html All rights reserved All text within this document not quoted from other sources is the sole property of John A. Quinn/Newshawk Inc. No reproduction without permission. WOTS was granted permission in using this article. Series 9 of 10 http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph2.html TEENS AND PRETEENS WHO (MASS) MURDER The ongoing string of mass murders committed by young boys often right around the age of puberty (considered to be a very significant age by the Montauk Project mind control experiment operators), has finally pushed me over the brink; into confronting head-on the likelihood that this and a veritable blood orgy of similar mass murders by youngsters in the past couple of years--mostly but not only in the southeastern U.S.-- are the result of some sort of mind control program. I have had strong suspicions that the Jonesboro, Arkansas massacre in March 1998, a May 1998 graduation dance massacre in Edinboro, Pennsylvania and a subsequent school shooting rampage in Springfield, Oregon--to name only the some of the more recent incidents--represent the tip of the iceberg of some serious and extensive youth-directed mass -conditioning programs currently underway. Regarding the Arkansas tragedy in particular, there were some very troubling aspects to the mass shooting there by two youngsters, aged 11 and 13, who murdered four schoolmates and a teacher while wounding 11 others. The two were in possession of a number of weapons, camouflage clothing, a van stocked with provisions and "survivalist" gear, among other oddities, and there were reports of ties to a satanic cult of some kind currently popular in the southeastern
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] World Of The Strange 1/18/99 Part 2 of 2
[Only the first part of this message is displayed. The entire message has been turned into a text attachment, which you can retrieve by selecting Download. Once downloaded, open it with a word processor or text editor for reading.] Part 2 of 2 # CONTENTS #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: //www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html CONTINUATION C. Mind Control Victims-Personal Testimony #2. Crop Circles: Messages from Beyond? By: Ron Russell FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #3. What the Aliens Left Me!by Patrick David MacKondy FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #4. BOOK RELEASEThe Montauk Files by; K.B . Wells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html CONTINUATION C. Mind Control Victims-Personal Testimony "The experiments were all under hypnosis, and were initially designed to test how far the human could be pushed. Things like the limits of human strength. While under hypnosis they would tell me to imagine that my arm was a hydraulic press with unlimited power, they then would place objects in my hand and tell me to crush them and I could. Another favorite was to test the limits of human pain tolerances. For this experiment they would tell me to "turn off my nerves"; "you are in a warm and safe place, you feel nothing and have NO pain". As you can imagine they had many different varieties of this test. They controlled me like I was a robot or something, and I remember standing and walking with "tunnel vision". I had no control of myself at all. I remember having to give demonstrations of my abilities so they could get the funding needed to continue with the project. " Part 2 of 2 # CONTENTS #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: //www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html CONTINUATION C. Mind Control Victims-Personal Testimony #2. Crop Circles: Messages from Beyond? By: Ron Russell FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #3. What the Aliens Left Me!by Patrick David MacKondy FATE Magazine -- True Stories of the Strange and Unknown since 1948 .. http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/main.htm © Copyright 1998 FATE Magazine September 1998 #4. BOOK RELEASEThe Montauk Files by; K.B . Wells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 9 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html CONTINUATION C. Mind Control Victims-Personal Testimony "The experiments were all under hypnosis, and were initially designed to test how far the human could be pushed. Things like the limits of human strength. While under hypnosis they would tell me to imagine that my arm was a hydraulic press with unlimited power, they then would place objects in my hand and tell me to crush them and I could. Another favorite was to test the limits of human pain tolerances. For this experiment they would tell me to "turn off my nerves"; "you are in a warm and safe place, you feel nothing and have NO pain". As you can imagine they had many different varieties of this test. They controlled me like I was a robot or something, and I remember standing and walking with "tunnel vision". I had no control of myself at all. I remember having to give demonstrations of my abilities so they could get the funding needed to continue with the project. "I remember, being in a field, it was dusk, and I demonstrated my abilities and the showed the things I could do. There were 6 to 8 men there one of them dressed in a suit was either a senator or a congressmen and after he saw the things I could do he said "JESUS CHRIST -- If I didn't see that with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it possible. ANYTHING YOU NEED YOU GOT IT!". The main focus quickly turned from doing simple tests on me to developing me as a killing machine, a military weapon, and they trained me as an assassin. I have memories of killing several people and executing several "Missions". My code name they called me by was "The Rhino" and I believe I killed several people between 1988 and 1992. "To be honest with you this letter should have only taken me a day or two to write but I have been working on this for over three weeks now. I am not
[CTRL] Fwd: The Size of the Federal Government
Wonder where Clinton is getting his support? Take the total number of people who voted then look at the total number of Government employees. Best Regards, Marshall Houston Portland, Oregon http://www.govexec.com/features/0199/0199s1.htm January 1999 THE WORKFORCE The True Size of Government With nearly 17 million people working directly and indirectly for Uncle Sam, the era of big government is far from over. By Paul C. Light espite declarations to the contrary from elected officials across the political spectrum, the federal government is much bigger, not smaller, than it was 30 years ago. Only by using the narrowest possible definition of the true size of government--headcount in the federal civil service--could President Clinton declare that "the era of big government is over" in his 1996 State of the Union address. Although Clinton's declaration earned a roar of applause from both sides of the aisle, it was a partial truth at best, a false claim at worst. Counting all the people who deliver goods and services for Washington, while removing the masking effects of the huge Defense Department downsizing, Clinton would have been much more accurate to say that the era of big government was continuing pretty much unabated. And that is precisely what the vast majority of Americans want. A more realistic headcount begins with the 1.9 million full-time permanent civilian federal workers who get their paychecks and identification cards from Uncle Sam. Add in the 1.5 million uniformed military personnel and 850,000 U.S. Postal Service workers who were counted in the federal workforce until their department became a quasi-government corporation in 1970, and the total full-time permanent federal workforce was just under 4.3 million in 1996, the last year for which good numbers are available on both the visible and shadow federal workforce. Add in the people who work under federal contracts and grants or mandates imposed on state and local governments and the illusion of smallness becomes clear. In 1996, the federal government's $200 billion in contracts created an estimated 5.6 million jobs, its $55 billion in grants created another 2.4 million jobs, and its array of mandates in such fields as air and water quality and health and safety regulation encumbered another 4.7 million jobs in state, county and municipal governments. Add these 12.7 million shadow jobs to the 4.25 million civilian, military and postal jobs, and the true size of government in 1996 expands to nearly 17 million, or more than eight times larger than the standard headcount of 1.9 million used by Congress and the President to declare the era of big government over. And the count does not even include the full-time equivalent employment of the people who work on a part-time or temporary basis for Uncle Sam--for example, the 884,000 members of the military reserves. The Shadow of Government The shadow government casts through its vast inventory of private, nonprofit and state and local partners is a blend of intent and accident. On the one hand, it reflects decades of perfectly appropriate contracting for impeccably commercial activities and non-inherently governmental functions. On the other hand, the shadow also reflects decades of personnel ceilings, hiring limits and unrelenting pressure to do more with less. Under pressure to create a government that looks smaller and delivers at least as much of everything the public wants, federal departments and agencies did what came naturally: They pushed jobs outward and downward into a vast shadow that is mostly outside the public's consciousness. That creates a truth-in-advertising problem. It is impossible to have an honest debate about the role of government in society if the measurements only include part of the government. The government also is increasingly reliant on non-federal workers to produce goods and services that used to be delivered in-house. Not only does the shadow workforce create an illusion of smallness that may mislead the public about the true size of government, it may create an illusion of merit as jobs inside government are held to strict merit standards, while jobs under contracts, grants and mandates are not. It may also create illusions of capacity and accountability as agencies pretend they know enough to oversee their shadow workforce when, in fact, they no longer have the ability to distinguish good product or service from bad. The government knows virtually nothing about its shadow. Neither the Office of Personnel Management nor the Office of Management and Budget has ever counted the full-time-equivalent non-federal workforce, let alone analyzed its appropriateness. Procuring such quasi-governmental labor allows politicians to say government is cutting employees. And at first glance--which is the glance that Congress and the President usually take--total federal employment (civilian and military) shrank by nearly 900,000 jobs between 1984 and
Re: [CTRL] An Oliver Stone Production
-Caveat Lector- Are we allowed to use the words 'Oliver' and 'Stone' on this mailing list?? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: SurfChina.com - Search Engine for China
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[CTRL] FUDOSI/AMORC
-Caveat Lector- from [priory-of-sion] Digest Number 384 - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:34:51 +0100 From: "Bleijenberg W.A.C." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: /FUDOSI/AMORC Marcus Williamson wrote: I beg your pardon AMORCgot their charter from Aliester Crowley. At the time of his death his estate claimed property holdings in San Jose California. The same property AMORC has its headquarters on. Daemon Hello listmembers and Marcus, i think there is some misunderstanding, I can correct. Not Aliester Crowley, but May Bank-Stacey, a direct descendent of Oliver CROMWELL and an indirect descendent of Mary Stewart and Napoleon was involved in the start of AMORC: These May BAnk Stacey lived for years in India, studied many cults, she finally visited Egypt and there came in contact with the Rosicrusian Masters. This was a few years prior to the coming of the Order to America. Mrs. Stacey desired the privilege of bringing the Order's teaching to America and so expressed her desire, pointing to the fact that her American parents and relatives had been among those who established the first Masonic Lodges in Baltimore and Philadelphia. It was then pointed out that she had to wait till 1915. She was given by the Masters a certain mystical Jewels of the Order and several sealed papers. she was said to wait till another person came to her with a duplicate of one of the seals and asked her assistance in establishing the Order in america. Mrs Stacey : I also state that the said Jewels and papers were represented to me as coming direct from Egypt and France, and that they were given to me to be formally handed to that man who should present such papers, documents. Such a person having matured and being Brother H.S. Lewis, I did the duty expected of me, fulfilled my commission and with pleasure express the joy at seeing the work so well under way in accordance with the prophecy made in India to me in person. Mrs. Stacey retired as active Matre of the Supreme Grand Lodge after its first year and died on Januari 21 1918 Then FUDOSI: It started in August 1934 (meeting in Brussel, Belgium) after an Initiative of Sar Hieronymus, whose real name was Emile Dantinne. Originally it was planned as a meeting for trasditional Martinists. Victor Blancard was elected as Imperator of the Federation Universelle des Ordres et Societes Initiatiques. It consists of Ordre de la Rose+Croix Universelle et Universitaire Ordre Pythagoricien Ordre MArtiniste et Syarchique (formed in 1918) Ancient Mystical Order Roase Crucis (AMORC) Ordre Martinist Traditionell Universal Gnostic Church Societe d'Etudes Martinistes Union Synarchique Ordre de la Militia Crucifera Evangelica and others H.S. Lewis was initiated in Toulouse in 1909 Sar Hieronymous and Imperator Victor Blancard was authorising AMORC and confirming earliers Initiations and secret authorizations earlier. Sar Hieronymous was former Rosicrusian Grandmaster in France. At August 14 1951 the FUDOSI was disbanded after it had achieved its goals A document was signed by Ralph Lewis (the son and second AMORC Imperator), Emile Dantinne and Jean Mallinger. See for some general information also the book of Serge Caillet: SAR HIERONYMUS AND THE FUDOSI. Wout Bleijenberg = Message: 11 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:58:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Susan Cole" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: /FUDOSI/AMORC As an added note, AMORC fell into great disfavor with FUDOSI during its later years, and support was given to Swineburne Clymer's Pennsylvania R+C group. Amorc was cut off from many European secret socities when they began giving 'postal Martinist initiations', which the Lewis's had earlier promised not to do. This was a great disgrace to Martinists everywhere. Actually there was a connection to A. Crowley, and more properly to Theodor Reuss. It was Ruess that gave H. S. Lewis its lessons and archives. If you go back and look at the original monographs you will see the connection, alot of material relating to sex-magick. I also believe that AMORC used the OTO insignia for various purposes. There were also accounts that Crowley gave Ruess the OK to work with Lewis, and in turn Crowley recieved some of the early AMORC funds. This may be what Daemon was talking about in his post. Fiat Lux, John Cole - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:05:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's what I said...that according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back -- e.g. the TRUNK -- of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of Jack's brains and skull, which she continued to hold in her lap when she got back into the seat, and which she carried into Parkland and handed to the first doctor she saw, saying something like "Here, this may help".. I was in Italy at the time, and saw the film there. It's been a long time, but to the best of my recollection, she did not appear to be trying to get away. I remember seeing her pick up the skull fragment. She did not appear to be concerned about anything else. When they rushed the president into the hospital, they left her outside. She whirled around facing the camera in her bloodstained suit, looking totally lost. Then she turned around and ran into the hospital, pushing open the doors herself. It wasn't just Connally's wife who testified as to the "they're going to kill us all." During the interviews of everyone they could find, someone (I think it was the driver when asked what did the governor say when he got shot, said that Connally had spoken those words. It was a man's voice that I heard say it. At the time I turned to my husband and said, "Connally was in on it. He knew something was going to happen, and he was afraid he hadn't been included in quite all the plan." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.
-Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 09:34 PM 1/16/99 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would estimate that of over 50% of all consumer manufactured goods are coming from Communist China. Why? Well, because the capitalist built their latest and best manufacturing plants there? Why? Cheap Labour. Huge Market. MJ: How long has labor been cheap abroad? Why is it only in recent years we have had a (purported) mass exodus? Could it be the regulatory load which has escalated over the past recent years? Regard$, --MJ What do you mean " purported?" Where is America's manufacturing base? Did it disappear down a rabbit hole? There's nothing purported about American corporations leaving in droves. This is bullshit on your part and you know it. You take a foolish position, you have to defend it by flinging bovine droppings and red herrings. American companies had been buying their way out of regulations more and more in the years before leaving these shores for foreign labor. As a matter of fact, they got tax breaks for doing it. This could only happen because they got more complete control of Congress. American corporations are owned by the Rich and their managerial sub- class. These two groups have a long history of theft, violence, crime, and treason against the citizens, workers, and country of the USA. Only a twisted Libertarian would blame regulations as the reason for industrial flight. Everyone with any sense at all knows it's for profit. Workers and nation be damned. Joshua2 Two pertinent articles (The Global Hand and Technology Hoax), from the April 21, 1997 edition of Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0421/5908085a.htm Barb Yeah right Barb. Forbes Magazine. The " Capitaist tool." That's a good source for pointing out the disasters of the global econmy. Who do you cite to advance the glory of the Catolic church? Martin Luther? Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Forget Global Think Local.
-Caveat Lector- Global Intelligence Update Red Alert January 18, 1999 Brazil's Message: Forget the Global, Think Local Summary: * The decision to float Brazil's real triggered widespread fears that another phase in a global economic crisis is about to begin. Having passed through rounds of the Asian and Russian crises, there is a sense that Brazil's devaluation is part of a greater threat to the international economic system. We do not see this as a global problem, but rather as a series of regional problems. By devaluing, Brazil is clearing the decks of an essentially healthy economy. With this finally out of the way, the long-term investment atmosphere in Brazil actually improves. We not only remain bullish on Latin America, but also are increasingly convinced that to understand international economics forget the global, think local. Analysis: The Brazilian decision to float the real shocked financial markets around the world on Wednesday, triggering fears that another round in the global crisis is about to begin. There was a sudden sense that the resilience the world economy had shown since the summer might have been illusory, and that a cancer in the global economy was still gnawing away at its innards. For a moment, it seemed that a legitimate panic was setting in. By Friday, a very different sensibility was in place. The real had fallen about 15 percent, which was not inconsiderable, but did not represent a catastrophic implosion. The Sao Paolo stock market rose 33 percent in one day's trading, while most of the world's markets, save some in Asia, also surged. In a matter of days, the world went from panic to confidence, with emotions cycling as rapidly as markets. The week's events were fascinating not only because of what they told us about the resilience of the Brazilian economy in particular and Latin American economies in general, but because of what they told us about the global economy. To be more precise, the events in Brazil are telling us that we are not living in a world of global economies that are of one fabric, but of geographically differentiated, highly fragmented economies. Put another way, it is not a small world after all and CNN has not created a global village. It is a very large and complex world, and events in one part of the world may have very little effect on things happening in other parts. One of the foundations of the great fear of a global economic meltdown is the feeling that the world economy is of a single fabric and that whatever happens in one place immediately effects things happening in other places. This sense of global vulnerability has created a psychology constantly on the verge of panic. Since at any moment something bad is happening somewhere in the world, the global sensibility immediately generates a sense of global vulnerability. Thus, Brazil's problems (or Russia's or Japan's or China's) are immediately seen as a harbinger of global disaster. There is a sense that there is an intractable, global problem that simply cannot be solved and that this represents a fundamental threat to the international economic system. The proof: something is always going wrong somewhere. Now, in a peculiar contrarian sense, this is all to the good. The hysteria of the month helps to deflate markets periodically and keeps investors on their toes. For this reason, we hesitate to debunk it, especially since it provides excellent buying opportunities. However, there is, strictly speaking, no global financial problem. Rather, there are a series of regional problems, which, while they do influence each other, do not flow from the same cause, cannot be solved by any single means, and do not affect each other nearly as much as people believe. Things may well be terrible in some parts of the world, but that does not mean that the world as a whole is on the brink of catastrophe. There are three regional crises: * Asia: a crisis developing over the long-term, rooted in public policies deliberately designed to prevent recessions, that has permitted massive, systemic inefficiency and unacceptably low rates of return on capital to undermine the long-term viability of the region's economies. The problem is particularly severe in Japan, which is among the few major markets to have declined since September. Japan's problems are deep, intractable and probably insoluble without a political smash-up. Nevertheless, Japan and Asia's problems have had minimal impact on the U.S. and Europe until now, and we see no reason why it should have a greater effect in 1999 than it did in previous years. * Russia: the inability of the Russian and other economies of the former Soviet Union to convert from a command to a market economy. Essentially, the cost of re-capitalizing the Russian economy so that it can compete internationally outstrips the ability of the economy to generate capital internally or attract capital externally. As a result, any investment in the economy
Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:39:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Everyone with any sense at all knows it's for profit. Workers and nation be damned. Joshua2 You're absolutely right, Joshua2 Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Forget Global Think Local.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:55:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are fascinated at how not only the Brazilian crisis but also other regional crises have been regionally contained. The geography of economic crisis has not only challenged myths of globalization and economies without borders, but also reinforced, in our mind, the essentially national and regional character of economic activity. The Japanese market fell nearly a quarter of its value since July. The American market is higher than it was. Economic life seems to have a national and regional cast rather than a global one. Brazil has a crisis. Elsewhere, life goes on at its own pace and direction. This is important news. Did anyone else read the column by Sebastian Rotella in the Los Angeles Times. It was "Behind Condominium Gates and Electronic Security, Brazil's Wealthy Tremble." It gave a picture of the wealthy Brazilians living in well guarded enclaves from which they try never to venture forth. They are under constant threat of robbery and kidnappings. It claims that more and more Brazilians avoid public spaces and conventional homes in favor of closed streets and controlled environments. Even in the so-so city in which I live, I notice more an more gated communities and restricted areas. When I see the way we are going in the US, it is possible that the Brazilian experience is what we have to look forward to. Even though the lowly and downtrodden in this world were never invited to the homes of the rich and famous, they were at least allowed to admire their houses. No more. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 1/18/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Hustler Carville Republicans Urge DOJ to Investigate Flynt's "Sleaze Hunt" AMERICA'S Justice Department was urged yesterday to investigate pornographer Larry Flynt's pursuit of Republicans for details of their sex lives, amid suspicion that the White House or friends of Bill Clinton are behind his "scalp-hunting". Department officials confirmed they were reviewing a request from the Landmark Legal Foundation, a Washington-based conservative organisation, to examine if Mr Flynt, 55, was violating a federal law that prohibits outsiders from influencing any Capitol Hill investigation. Offenders face up to five years imprisonment for "corruptly" interfering with an inquiry. Jim Nicholson, the Republican National Chairman, said that the sole purpose of Mr Flynt's effort was "to intimidate and to silence members of Congress investigating the President". Republicans point to James "the rajin' Cajun" Carville as a prime suspect in helping Mr Flynt, the publisher of Hustler. Mr Carville handled Mr Clinton's "war room" tactics in 1992. The London Telegraph, Jan. 18, 1999 Impeached POTUS Clinton to Propose More Government Involvement in Schools New Not-Sex Classes will Feature Instruction in Fellatio WASHINGTON -- President Clinton will propose in his State of the Union message on Tuesday the most aggressive nationwide effort ever to bring greater accountability to state and local school systems, potentially affecting the allocation of billions of dollars in federal education aid, White House officials said Sunday. Clinton plans to devote the bulk of his speech to the challenges of educating the largest school-age population in American history and insuring the welfare of aging citizens, officials said in interviews over the weekend. Clinton will propose a set of rewards for school districts that set high standards for teachers, enforce guidelines for student promotions and closely monitor school performance. The president had no plans to address his impeachment trial in the Senate or the actions which occasioned it, aides said, even though he will be speaking to the nation after his lawyers complete their first day of arguments in rebuttal to the charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. Advisers said Clinton is painfully aware of the awkward timing of the speech, but chose to press ahead to demonstrate to the American people that he is determined to carry out the business of the nation even as Congress weighs the ultimate constitutional sanction against him. The speech takes on a greater significance than usual because Clinton will not, as in years past, be simply laying out a policy wish list for the coming year. He will be making a plea to the American people, and to history, to judge him on the nation's progress and his performance in office rather than on his evident personal failings. Clinton will devote roughly a quarter of the address to foreign policy and military matters, aides said. He will propose a major initiative to help local governments prepare for a biological weapons attack, providing federal money for early detection systems and to begin stockpiling vaccines to combat biological warfare agents, a senior administration official said. He will also propose an expanded effort to safeguard nuclear weapons in Russia and other former Soviet states, going well beyond existing programs to find new jobs for Russian weapons scientists and to help convert Russian military complexes to civilian uses, officials said. But the bulk of the speech will address domestic issues, chief among them education, Social Security and other programs for the elderly. Aides said Clinton would likely spell out broad principles for strengthening Social Security but would not yet propose a specific plan to address the looming deficits in the retirement program. The Republican leaders of the Senate and House, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., wrote to Clinton Sunday demanding to see a detailed Social Security plan "as soon as possible," and telling him that the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee would hold a joint session on March 1 to receive his proposal. White House officials said, however, that Clinton was not yet ready to advance a Social Security solution that goes far beyond repeating last year's pledge to reserve the federal budget surplus until a means is found to shore up the retirement system. But on education, Clinton is prepared to propose major revisions to the way the $20 billion in federal education spending is apportioned, rewarding school districts that adhere to guidelines on training teachers, enforcing classroom discipline, ending promotion of unqualified students and reporting school performance to parents. School districts that do not meet these standards risk losing some or
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- You know ... I just can't wait to watch Geraldo Live when he has Revvin' Jerry and Alan Dershowitz (sp?) on again so the two of them can spar over this like Alan D. sparred with Barr over the 'code word' (in reference to 'real Americans') during the J Committee hearings. The last time Geraldo had the two of them on, Revvin' Jerry was counseling Alan D. about 'detesting' people; Revvin' Jerry thought he should overcome that and Alan D. almost made it out to be a crusade to detest some people. AER I can't think of three more despicable examples of their respective professions. It would be nice if they became the characters in " No Exit." Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT
-Caveat Lector- J FROST wrote: -Caveat Lector- Think about it ... * AMERICA SENDING TROOPS TO DEFEND ISRAEL America never sent troops to defend Israel. Israel hired out its military to defend America's oil fields situated in Arab countries. Now England is another matter. America went to war twice to defend England. We loaned them money to buy arms and forgave the debt. I'm sure this doesn't bother you nearly as much because they are not Jews. * AMERICA GIVING ISRAEL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS America gives Egypt and Russia billions of dollars. Do you have a problem with that? No one gives away money for nothing. The US gets its own benefits. The money is used to buy military weapons from American corporations which funnel technology to Red China for free. * AND IT WAS ISRAEL WHO ENGAGED POLLARD TO STEAL SECRETS FROM AMERICA. All countries spy on each other. ALL COUNTRIES. The US spies on Israel and turns info over to their enemies. Bad, bad USA. Grow up. THERE ARE TWO TRAITORS INVOLVED, POLLARD AND ISRAEL The sovereign state of Israel is NOT a citizen of the US as far as I know. Pollard is a traitor to America. Israel is an ally. That's all. The two countries don't owe allegiance to each other. They do what is best for themselves. In addition to that the smaller weaker country needs to protect itself from its bigger " friend." Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LUCIFERIC OATH
-Caveat Lector- "My Heart's In Dixie!" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear List, Some few years ago I read, but can't remember where I read it, and also heard about it on a Christian broadcasting later on that all Presidents of the United States from Abraham Lincoln on down to Clinton, with the exception of President Reagan, took an oath called the Luciferic oath before their inauguration. In the past year I've tried to find information about such an oath but have failed thus far in finding anything. This oath taken by them was said to have given them great evil powers in bringing about Satan's plans. Have any of you ever heard of such an oath taken by the presidents of the U.S. of A.? This is frightening to me, especially in seeing how this country has, in my opinion gone to hell in a handbasket. Regards, Linda of the Palmetto State Oh scary! Luciferic oath. Ooh! J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- I agree. Freedom of speach is a supposed "right" in the Western world, however, this list can operate without offensive and racial remarks from the like of "Hawk". He had his chance, and he blew it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 January 1999 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Racists . . . -Caveat Lector- Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to read - nazis and racists need not apply. I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start their own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their disruptive activity on this list. Om K - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] An Oliver Stone Production
-Caveat Lector- Nope, nor "James" and "Ellroy" -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 January 1999 14:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] An Oliver Stone Production -Caveat Lector- Are we allowed to use the words 'Oliver' and 'Stone' on this mailing list?? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- I agree. Freedom of speach is a supposed "right" in the Western world, however, this list can operate without offensive and racial remarks from the like of "Hawk". You are so right. He had his chance, and he blew it. This reminds of something Robert De Niro once said. He said 'You blew it'. See how similar this is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 January 1999 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Racists . . . -Caveat Lector- Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to read - nazis and racists need not apply. I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start their own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their disruptive activity on this list. Om K - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA245 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:21:22 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:52 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21859544 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17858 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31559 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1999 16:34:21 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 1999 16:34:21 - Received: (qmail 21449 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1999 16:27:55 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 1999 16:27:55 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id C5847GVQ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 04:22:52 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA701136B@SERVERA Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 04:22:50 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Racists . . . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange
Re: [CTRL] American Tabloid
-Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: I guarantee, that this piece of fiction (?) will take you down new avenues of thought. This book is one of the most powerful, and un-putdownable books that I have ever read. I am British, and I found it eye-opening, so I can only wonder how you Yanks will find it. They won't get it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [BIOWAR] Foreign Affairs: U.S. 'needs' Saddam
-Caveat Lector- Gee do we need him? Wow, what a revelation, I guess none of us here knew this. Of course we need him, and when we first needed him we had good old George Bush, first "under" Reagan then as the big cheese himself building him up with weapons (Carter had a hand in this too) and technology to fight the evil Iran. We MADE him, and we NEED him, therefore he will be around as a "thorn" in our sides for some time to come. BTW, Glaspie's go ahead to Sadaam, vis a vis Kuwait is a classic indicator of our true purposes and motives, make him, build him up, war with him and knock him down, allow him to build back up again and so on, and so on, etc. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Church Of Princess Diana Emerges
-Caveat Lector- "CHURCH OF PRINCESS DIANA" EMERGES == (CNNS, 01/18/99) -- A "Chairman Yao" (sounds like "Chairman Mao") has launched an Internet web site promoting "The Church of Princess Diana." The URL for Chairman Yao's web site is: http://www.dianaspeaks.org/index2.html According to a report purportedly issued by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, "(T)he Church of Princess Diana has finally emerged and has a website where Diana's words are excerpted from the new bible, Diana Speaks. Unlike the immortality in the next life religions, it's mission is to teach its members how to stay young and live forever in this life. The People's Princess has appeared after her accident exclusively to Chairman Yao..." [The Religion Report, Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Radio National, June 17, 1998. Qtd. at Chairman Yao's web site.] Chairman Yao's "new bible," *Diana Speaks*, is, according to the web site, a book now or soon-to-be available. Concurrent with the publication of *Diana Speaks* is a soon-to-be published book by CNNS source "Ru Mills" (pseudonym). Mills' book, *Diana, Queen of Heaven*, questions whether Princess Diana's death was really an "accident." The author also predicts the emergence of a "New World Religion" centered on a Cult of Princess Diana. Mills warns that holographic technology might be used to promote religious mania. In a CNNS press release dated Jan. 11, 1999, this news service summed up the concept: With "Millenium Madness" on the rise, secret forces pushing for a "New World Order" could well have an image of "Diana, Queen of Heaven," set to be "broadcast" on the biggest movie screen ever: the wide open sky. ["New Book Probes Princess Diana Death," CNNS, 1/11/99.] As far back as September, 1997, Mills was predicting the rise of a New World Religion centered on Lady Diana. At that time, only days after Diana's death, Conspiracy Nation published Mills' blockbuster report, "Whoever Controls Princess Diana Controls The World." [CN 10.95] In that article, Mills described how a rogue faction in British intelligence, "powerless to prevent the assassination, arranged for the deaths of Lady Diana and Dodi Fayed to happen at Pont de l'Alma. Cleverly, it was known that a death at that historic location would not only 'send a signal'; it would eventually lead to the creation of a 'Saint Diana.'" In her article, "Whoever Controls Princess Diana Controls The World," Mills warned of "Project Blue Beam holographic imaging... used to create 'miraculous appearances' of Lady Diana." Useful dupes in the scheme might be children used to convey Diana's instructions. The the two living sons of the new "Saint Diana," William and Harry, "will become akin to two living Jesus Christs, walking the earth," Mills foresaw. [CN 10.95] Chairman Yao says that his "new bible," *Diana Speaks*, was communicated to him by the discarnate Princess Diana herself. Yao is reportedly some sort of Tibetan monk. His book reportedly contains revelations about how the princess died, as well as purported insights into other matters. Saturation propaganda regarding religious apparitions is apparently being conducted by the popular tabloid, "Weekly World News" (WWN). In its latest issue, WWN headlines "Prophecies From History's Greatest Seers." [WWN, 1/26/99.] Among the items in the latest WWN report is a prediction by the late Jeane Dixon: "Sightings of the Virgin Mary will reach an all-time high [in 1999] These mysterious sightings will come to a climax in September, when the image of Mother Mary will be seen on almost every street corner in some cities in the American Southeast. In addition, there will be multiple sightings of less familiar biblical figures, including John the Baptist, Ezekial and Abraham." Ru Mills and others have speculated whether such purported seers as Dixon and Shirley McLaine may be witting or unwitting dupes, used for propaganda purposes. Dixon rocketed to worldwide fame after she made a subsequently correct prediction that President John F. Kennedy would be assassinated. McLaine is reportedly involved in "channeling" messages "from beyond." Suspicions exist that Dixon, McLaine and others might be receiving their "revelations" from an earthbound locale, such as Langley, Virginia, headquarters of the CIA. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to:
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:37:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a man's voice that I heard say it. At the time I turned to my husband and said, "Connally was in on it. He knew something was going to happen, and he was afraid he hadn't been included in quite all the plan." Prudy Prudy, I am inclined to agree with you here. I believe Connally was in on it, or at least knew a LOT more than he ever let on. With good reason perhaps since he probably would have been killed otherwise. Jackie did go out onto the trunk to get a piece of skull IMO, after viewing the movie several times it appears so. Look at her arm movement it clearly looks like she is reaching for something, not like she is trying to get away. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 11:03:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to read - nazis and racists need not apply. I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start their own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their disruptive activity on this list. Om K CLAP, CLAP, CLAP Good riddance. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fwd: MC documentary
Status: U From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:38:45 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: MC documentary Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Here is a brief synopsis. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: echos@fyi Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MC documentary Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:06:19 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Everyone, I am very grateful to Transmedia and Dandelion Productions for the fantastic job they did with the documentary which was shown on 11/22/98 in Canada. The main point the film makes is that there are Manchurian Candidates among us and that they have been controlled from a distance by computer and electordes ( which have now been replaced by microwaves) The film includes demonstration of this and shows Jose Delgado MD manipulating a charging bull and stopping him in his tracks. The film also includes a long interview with a CIA Manchurian Candidate who acknowledges being involved in 76 deaths and also states that her training as as assassin started when she was 4 years old. ACHES is given considerable attention as an advocacy group that documented stories of victims who were used in the development of the technology beginning in the 40's . Clips from the original ACHES-MC video with statements from Lynne, Blanche, Ron , Claudia, Terry Parker, Martha and Tony are woven through the section showing the motorcade at JFK's funeral. Journalists and agents of the CIA and FBI explain that Timothy McVeigh, Sirhan-Sirhan, Mark Chapman and Oswald were all Manchurian Candidates. Ken Burns ( journalist) explains that Oswald had a brain implant which was installed when he had his tonsils removed. Here are a few quotes : Dr. Rauni Kilde, former Chief Medical Officer, Finland " main stream scientists and medical doctors know nothing about this. It has been a well kept secret within the military ... I live in Norway now, military intellegence, in electronic surveillance projects, the navy is doing implants..." "I think it is the greatest threat to humanity and it has been going on for about 50 years." Narrator:It is now alleged that the most recent development in mind control technology does away with implants and is microwave based, sending messages directly into the mind of the receipient. Richard Sauder: " In 1992, over the holidays, I was sound asleep in my apartment , I was suddenly awakened ...sounded unusual and though I was very relaxed, my mind was very alert... all of the sudden, I very distincly and clearly heard a voice that said matter of factly, into my right ear, 'The underground bases are real.' ...Recently I have discovered that a patant was granted in 1989 to do just that , to braodcast an intelligable voice right into the auditory cortex. The technology by which this is done is very straightforward. A person speaks into a microphone, what they say is then transmitted by a plurality of microwaves into the targeted individual. That person then hears the voice as if it were speaking in their...inner ear...very clearly. This is what happened to me." ( FYII recently received a flyer for a book by Richard on this subject, it includes the patents.) Narrator: Many others have reported voices in their heads. One such person reporting tampering with his mind was an inmate in an American prison. "For several years now I have been subjected to the influence of technology that causes me to receive voice transmissions in my head, Just as if I had little radio speakers in my inner ear." Narrator: Other inmates substantiated his claims but the case was thrown out, due to lack of evidence. After all who ever believe a convicted felon? Wm.Bailey, FBI: " Sirhan could have been hypntized he could have been a Manchurian Candidate programmed to assassinate Bobby Kennedy. I will be mailing copies to those who have asked for them, on next Tuesday. You should have them by the following Monday at the latest. If you don't get them , let me know. Anyone who else in USA who would like a copy should send me their address and check or money order for $8.00 to cover cost. (Canadians should ask Lynne for copy.) Blanche
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Reflections on Black History #68: Surviving the Depression
- SNETNEWS Mailing List 1-17-99 Dear reader, Here is Thomas Fleming's latest column, which is now being written on a biweekly basis. You are welcome to reprint it or post it on a website. Fleming will be giving a historical talk this Saturday, January 23 from 2 to 3:30 p.m., at the San Francisco Public Library. It will take place in the main branch library, at Larkin and Grove streets, in the Latino/Hispanic Community Room on the lower level. He will concentrate on San Francisco's black history from 1944 to the present, and will sign copies of his books afterward. The event is free, and no reservations are needed. Hope to see you there! Sincerely, Max Millard Assistant to Thomas Fleming --- REFLECTIONS ON BLACK HISTORY By Thomas C. Fleming Column 68: Surviving the Depression The decade of the 1930s was one of the most memorable in my life. The Great Depression had the entire industrialized world bogged down in a state of economic doubt, so that many questioned just what the world would be like in the near future. When the Depression started, my mother and sister were living in a rented house in Berkeley, California. They both worked full-time as domestics, but I was paying most of the rent, because with my job as a dining car cook, I was making more than both of them together. Then the freights began carrying more people than the passenger trains, and the railroad no longer had a place for me. I was bringing nothing in. I didn't even try to find work anyplace else. I went down to the unemployment office -- everybody did that -- but there were no jobs. When you're in that kind of situation, your wits sharpen. If you're going to survive, you have to think about how you're going to feed yourself and where you're going to sleep. In Oakland in the fall of 1932, they were putting in a new sewage system near the Auditorium. The cement pipes were laying there, and they were high enough that you could stand up in them. Quite a few people were sleeping in them at night. They were shelter, and people didn't have anyplace else to sleep. They called it Pipe City. It lasted until they put the new piping in the ground, early the next year. I don't know what others did, but I managed to exist. I had friends in Oakland and Berkeley who I knew real well, who might still have a job or something. I managed to get by their house about an hour before dinnertime. And naturally when they sat down to eat, they'd ask me, would I have dinner? I never refused. In 1932, we got out of our house and I moved into the home of the Baker family in Berkeley. I ran around with the three sons, and Mrs. Baker had a heart as big as that house. She made everybody welcome. She fed so many people there every day. Charles Baker, and later his brother Robinson, came with me to attend Chico State College, where we were among just three or four black students out of a student population of about 1400. A series of great droughts and dust storms occurred in 1934 and '35, and people began fleeing from Oklahoma and Arkansas. Those Okies and Arkies, as they called them, got into their jalopies and poured into California. So many of them headed for Los Angeles that in 1936, the city's chief of police sent members of the Los Angeles Police Department to the state line, and when people tried to enter from Arizona, Nevada or Oregon, they'd ask them much money they had. Very few of them had anything much. And if they didn't have $10, the policemen would say, "You can't come into California." That continued for several years, until the governor stopped it. In San Francisco, some homeless people didn't want to sleep out in the weather, so they would go into the Hall of Justice on Kearny Street and fall asleep in the corridors. Most of the time, the cops would take them upstairs and put them in cells. I had one black friend who did that a few times. A black churchman who named himself Father Divine was very active then. His congregation started in New York, and spread to Philadelphia, Washington, and then Chicago. It was a sort of phenomenon. Whites gave him most of the money he was getting. He married a young white woman, who was called Mother Divine. When the Depression came, he had churches all over the country, including Los Angeles, Oakland and San Francisco. Almost as many whites joined those churches as blacks. And they opened up eating places, where you could come in and get all you could eat for 25 cents. If you didn't have 25 cents, they would still feed you. I went into the dining hall on 8th Street in Oakland -- more out of curiosity than anything else, because I had heard about the meals you could get there real cheap. The food was very good. The main entree could have been chicken or beef stew or lamb stew, and they served vegetables, rice and potatoes, dessert, and a small bowl of salad. They could probably seat 100 at one time, at long tables. People were dressed in their Sunday best, because lots of them attended
Re: [CTRL] A Civil Action - Fwd: Heath and Fitne
-Caveat Lector- please repost the floride info and if you have anything on types of filters that will remove floride. thanks bob DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Clinton Quota System For Russia
RUSSIAN QUOTA SYSTEM The State Department - Washington, D.C. The Clinton administration has imposed sanctions against Moscow for providing advanced missile technology to Iran and threatens to extend more penalties. Yet, Russia will use up its quota of U.S. satellite launches by the end of 1999, over a year ahead of schedule. U.S. satellite firms and a cash-strapped Moscow are pressing the Clinton administration to drop the quota. Clinton, however, is in no mood to repeat the same mistakes made under the Brown led Commerce Department and has allowed the diplomats to take the lead. Unlike Commerce - State and DOD officials are placing military and diplomatic concerns ahead of trade. State Department spokesman, James Rubin, stated "If we don't get progress on the missile proliferation problem, we are not going to be able to support increasing the quota." MADE IN THE U.S.A. Vandenberg AFB, California. Loral/Globalstar has signed a deal with U.S. rocket maker Boeing for seven Delta II launches. Two of the improved Delta rockets will be launched into orbit from Vandenberg in the fourth quarter of 1999. The U.S. rocket buy - over cheaper Russian and Chinese space vehicles - shows Loral is learning a lesson - the hard way. U.S. vehicles and insurance may be costly but failed launches on foreign vehicles put Globalstar far behind schedule and way over budget. Loral was stung by the 1998 failure of a Russian Zenit that destroyed 12 Globalstar satellites. National security concerns over foreign technology transfers brought bad publicity on top of launch failures. Loral is also involved up to their eyeballs in the Chinagate scandal through major donations to President Clinton by its CEO, Bernard Schwartz. Schwartz traveled to Beijing in 1994 with Ron Brown and met with Chinese Lt. General Shen Roujun to arrange the transfer of encrypted satellite telemetry systems. HOLY GRAIL! Moscow - The Kremlin. Russian missiles makers are offering an upgrade to the older SA-7 man-portable surface-to-air missile. The SA-7 made its first combat appearance over the skies of Vietnam and was considered lethal against U.S. helicopters. Over 50,000 SA-7 (NATO Codename "Grail) have been sold worldwide, many to terrorist organizations. NOW - for a limited time only! RED light special! Russian missile makers are offering an upgrade package priced around $20,000 per missile that includes a new dual I/R U/V seeker head and on-board digital computer using components from the SA-18 Russian SAM missile system. The SA-7+ (informally known to western defense analysts as the "Holy Grail") will not be fooled by flares or Infra-Red Counter Measures (IRCM) mounted on U.S. aircraft. ONLY ONE FOX LEFT Virginia - The Pentagon. The U.S. used about 330 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 90 Air Launched Cruise missiles (ALCM) during Desert Fox. All the USAF launched ALCM cruise missiles were Block 1 types equipped with heavy conventional warheads for bunker busting. In addition, 230 laser-guided bombs were used and about 250 dumb "iron" Mk. 82 bombs. According to recon results of Desert Fox, the cruise missile and laser bomb attacks left most of Iraqi air defenses intact. "Should we be picking off SAM sites one by one in the no fly zone?" asked Read Adm. David Nichols, Central Command Deputy Director. "No, I don't think so." The U.S. military is scrambling to replace the highly valuable robot missiles but both services have opted not to purchase new units. Instead, both are upgrading leftover inventories. The USAF bought only 200 of the heavy conventional ALCM missiles and has only enough on hand for one more Desert Fox like attack. The firing of 90 for Desert Fox has left the Air Force little choice but to convert 90 more of the remaining 130 formerly nuclear tipped missiles into bunker busters. The Navy is only a little better off. The Navy is converting 300 older "Block 2" Tomahawk missiles into the new "Block 3" GPS equipped missiles. FIN 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 Charles R. Smith SOFTWAR http://www.softwar.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pcyphered SIGNATURE: 1A0043ABFE4B50600485532A739AFA603DEB3274D154F4796F8ACA471EC52708 B42B1ACE77FF2600B0E9E674C58F6D4B22A5045BAACCDFA91AA49482476A4E1E 68668F454CF8D8F5 SOFTWAR EMAIL NEWSLETTER01/18/99 *** to unsubscribe reply with "unsubscribe" as subject***
Re: [CTRL] American Tabloid
Ellroy's _American Tabloid_ is a marvelous book. Much is speculative, but a great deal of the book is based on the best research into the darker side American Cold War intrigues and the Kennedy assassination. It is unfortunate that one of the most telling and honest portrayals of the grim, underworld brutality of American policy in the twentieth century can only find a wide market as a work of fiction. Also unfortunate is that most Americans interested in the Kennedy assassination want to make Jack into something of a sacrificial lamb. Such is our political naivete. We will really only be "through the looking glass" of political understanding in this country when we understand that JFK's assassination was not really a coup, but business as usual, a manifestation of American realpolitik during the Cold War. Kennedy was bumped off by the same batch of criminals he unleashed upon Central America and Southeast Asia, who unleashed a multinational holocaust in the name of Big Business. Kennedy's error was not a higher morality, but his hubris and his wrecklessness. Detailed so grimly in _Tabloid_, as both a Kennedy and as President, he really believed he could control the bastards. He didn't understand that as far as the permanent class was concerned, Presidents and even Kennedy's, come and go. The permanent political and criminal classes of the National Security State would not (and won't) be undone by some elected official, even if he be President. Kennedy, like one of the upstart wise guys in your favorite mafia pic, wanted to run the show. Kennedy wasn't interested in cleaning up the National Security State, but in consolidating it under his and his family's control. He wanted the credit and the power, not world peace (this is where the similarities to Bill Clinton really get interesting). And like the upstart wiseguy, he was whacked. It sent a message to others in the elected class, to a frightened Lyndon Johnson, to us a voters, and to our Cold War opponents; so-called democracy won't stop us from pursuing our goals, so don't f**k with us. Lucio GONZO Links - Your online guide to millennial America http://members.tripod.com/gonzolinks -Original Message- From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: [CTRL] American Tabloid -Caveat Lector- For anyone still wishing to debate Clintons ethics/morals/motives, and still dumbfounded by them, you should read James Ellroy's FANTASTIC "American Tabloid". This exceptional book, fictionalises (?) the 1000 days to the run-up to the death of JFK. Basically, it has the government in cahoots with the mob, the mob in cahoots with the FBI, the CIA in cahoots with Castro, and the Kennedy's in cahoots with everyone. I guarantee, that this piece of fiction (?) will take you down new avenues of thought. This book is one of the most powerful, and un-putdownable books that I have ever read. I am British, and I found it eye-opening, so I can only wonder how you Yanks will find it. MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Benedetto;Lucio FN:Lucio Benedetto EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:19990118T182146Z END:VCARD
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- Just the other day I got this e-mail from Hawk in regards to a theory I had concerning the arguement referenced below. Here it is: Hawk wrote: "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: Hawk, Carlene: I just realized how this guy works. Whenever he cannot defend his possition he uses name calling and derision. Then, if responded to with more rational arguements he responds again with more name calling and derision. Eventually the person he is argueing with responds in kind and then he responds by calling that person unreasonable and disruptive using quotes from that person to prove his point. Howard... you are one smart dude! You're right... of course you're right. I kept wondering why, when I'd answer his questions with a reasoned approach, he'd come right back saying "Hypocrite didn't answer my question! He's a fraud, a liar," etc... You're on target with your evaluation of his tactic. hawk Source - Richard wrote: -Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- I agree. Freedom of speach is a supposed "right" in the Western world, however, this list can operate without offensive and racial remarks from the like of "Hawk". You are so right. He had his chance, and he blew it. This reminds of something Robert De Niro once said. He said 'You blew it'. See how similar this is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 January 1999 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Racists . . . -Caveat Lector- Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to read - nazis and racists need not apply. I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start their own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their disruptive activity on this list. Om K - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA245 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:21:22 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:52 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21859544 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17858 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999
Re: [CTRL] A Civil Action - Fwd: Health and Fitness
Go in the archives and read the thread Speculation: Are we better than animals You will not have to worry. With terminator seed technology (and the rest of these) there will be few if any animals (no plants worth while eating) and we will have to rely on cloning for our food. Laura aka The Pied Piper will ask about a filter though. OneWordDescription SiteUrl BriefDescription PageName antibacterial http://www.sdahq.org/sdalatest/welcome.html (for)(soap) To find out what the Soap and Detergent Association have to say on fluoride http://www.holisticmed.net/add/mullenix.txt archives of Dr. Phyllis Mullenix' presentation related to fluoride compounds and neurotoxicity: related to fluoride compounds and neurotoxicity fluoride http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/ fluoride http://www.fluoride-journal.com/ (Intl Society for Fluoride Research) fluoride http://www.cadvision.com/fluoride/index.htm fluoride http://www.garynull.com/Documents/NutritionMind/nutritionmind-7.htm (see statement by Dr. Michael Schacter) fluoride http://www.garynull.com/documents/fluoridation.htm fluoride http://www.sonic.net/~kryptox/fluoride.htm Fluoride Issues fluoride http://www.all-natural.com/fleffect.html Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of Fluorides fluoride http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/98/Nov/18/lifestyle/FLUO18.htm The Fight Over Fluoride Continues antibacterial http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/publicat/ccdr/97vol23/vol23s7/index.html (against)(soap) Find more about Health Canada's perspective on antibacterial soaps at antibacterial http://www.tufts.edu/ (against) Visit Tufts University and find out more about the research at antibacterial http://www.sciam.com/1998/0398issue/0398levy.html Learn more about antibiotic resistance at antibacterial http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2556919335-860 Antibiotics in agriculture creating superbugs - TORONTO (Reuters) - 04:25 PM ET 11/03/98 OneWordDescription SiteUrl BriefDescription PageName organophosphates http://www.ourplanet.com/imgversn/86/wania.html Global Distalation - How chemicals can travel world wide Global distillation organophosphates http://www.greenpeace.org/~comms/97/arctic/library/region/toxic.html Global Distalation - How Fats can protect Persistent Organic Pollutants organophosphates http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2836/index.html include Organophosphate sheep dip Diazinon, Propetamphos, Chlorfenvinphos, Carbophenothion Diazinon, Propetamphos, Chlorfenvinphos, Carbophenothion; http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store.(anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com Get links to over 30 sites on aspartameVISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs CasesVISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business!
[CTRL] Battling Holograms To Infest The Sky?
-Caveat Lector- BATTLING HOLOGRAMS TO INFEST THE SKY? = (CNNS, 01/18/99) -- Axiomatic to A-Albionic Research has been their thesis: "The Overt and Covert Organs of the Vatican and British Empire are Locked in Mortal Combat for Control of the World." Reports are escalating that the Virgin Mary has appeared in the sky, giving hope and warnings to Christians. In the previous report from this news service, we noted how the late seer, Jeane Dixon, had predicted increased sightings of Mother Mary occurring in 1999: The image of Mary, it was predicted, would be "seen on every street corner" in some U.S. cities. ["'Church of Princess Diana' Emerges," CNNS, 01/18/99.] The Virgin Mary is most prominently connected to the Catholic Church, i.e. the Vatican. CNNS has also reported, in several past press releases, on a re-emerging Cult of Diana, whose sacred figure, the late Princess Diana, was apparently murdered by means of a fake "car accident." The image of Lady Diana is linked, most prominently, to Great Britain. Are these two sacred images about to do battle in the heavens? Reports have been circulating that improvements in holographic imaging technology have advanced that technology to the point where images of the Virgin Mary and of Princess Diana may be broadcast to the sky. Given that the Vatican and the British Empire are combating for control of the world, Mother Mary, already seen in the sky by many, may soon face competition from Princess Diana. But will the sky be big enough for both of them? Or will they begin to quarrel with each other in the clouds? The late Abbie Hoffman once whimsically suggested that Gulf Oil was negotiating with NASA to have NASA paint the Gulf logo on one side of the moon: you'd look to the sky at night and instead of the moon you'd see a giant GULF logo. Extrapolating from Hoffman's speculation, CNNS foresees a third competing presence in the vast billboard of the sky: corporate logos. In such a scenario, the Virgin Mary would first be challenged by "Saint Diana." But then, both of those sacred images would be crowded out by corporate logos. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- I would love to see this testimony. I've read countless books and articles related to the JFK assassination, and not once have I read anywhere anything about an escort or women civilian being killed during the assassination. Please forward your evidence related to these other two killings. Thanks-JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA Not Tickled By Jokes With Intelligence
This looks like a hoot! Hilary -Original Message- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 11:47 AM Subject: [InTheShadows] [Fwd: [IWAR] CIA Not Tickled By Jokes With Intelligence] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIA Not Tickled By Jokes With Intelligence He calls himself "America's Funniest Intelligence Officer," but the Central Intelligence Agency apparently is not laughing now that his Web site has exposed some of their alleged "oddballs." John Alejandro King says he's worked at the Company for 14 years "building data bases" and that he's always gotten high marks. But that was before he started poking fun at the CIA on the Internet. 'The Covert Comic' Currently featured on King's site (www.covertcomic.com) is an essay titled "The Intelligence Underground: The Spookiest of the Spooks," by one "Jim Beetle." King tells us that "Beetle" is a fake name for another CIA officer, but that his roster of "highly unorthodox" employees is "all real." Among the spooks: * An analyst obsessed with UFOs. * An intelligence officer who, prior to being discreetly retired a few years back, sold his own porn videos on the side. * A female staffer who "keeps male sex slaves." * A Special Agent who believes he's the son of Jesus Christ and lays hands on the sick. "Beetle" asks: "Why haven't these kooks been fired for their bizarre activities? Perhaps, in the end, they will be. For the moment though, these and other crazies continue in their official duties as custodians of some of America's most sensitive information." King, whose site also includes "CIA jokes," says his own future at the agency remains cloudy. Although he insists he hasn't spilled any classified info, he says his bosses at Langley have told him him his site is "highly inappropriate." "They can't fire me, but they did it anyway," says King, adding that he's 40 years old and makes about $72,500. "I had to get an attorney to reinstate me. My attorney suggested I abandon the Web site. I don't want to. I don't see why I can't write satire and work in the intelligence community." The CIA's phone directory lists a John King, but an agency spokesman declined any sort of comment. King doesn't think he'll be "terminated with prejudice," as they say in his business. He does believe the agency may put "me into what I think they'll call Special Status. The Covert Comic is still hanging in there, but barely."
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- When Jackie is "clearly seen climbing on the limo trunk," that is exactly where she went to retrieve a section of her husbands head and brain. This has been ackknowleged countless times in various publications, most importantly by Jackie herself. JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: NUFOIA: Doc Barry: 1927-1999
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Michael Estes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 11:50 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: NUFOIA: Doc Barry: 1927-1999 Doc Barry is now taking that mysterious journey all of us will have to take at some point in the not-too-distant future. I am sure that, as soon as he gets acclimated to his current time/space location/level, he will be continuing to illuminate and SHOCK the masses over there by telling them What's up! Doc Barry enjoyed the respect of many people, including myself. In memory of Doc Barry I will continue to keep a link to his web site, and I am pleased that someone is going to be continuing to maintain that site. FAREWELL to a Cyber Space Friend. Michael Estes http://members.tripod.com/~Gateway2Infinity/index.html On Monday, January 18, 1999 8:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/ Doc Barry and I were friends for 33 years, and neighbors for the past seven; Wednesday, January, 13th he was admitted to the hospital with congestive heart failure... he didn't survive. I'll miss him a great deal, but I won't grieve anymore; not in the accepted sense of the word, I did that yesterday; from now on, I'll celebrate his life-- I'll celebrate his life daily with remembrances of our daily laughter, and with the line: "It's great to be alive in Phoenix, Arizona" which was followed up immediately with George Burns' line: "At my age it's great to be alive ANYWHERE!" I'll celebrate his life daily with the solace I'll find in the additional laughter evoked by the many, many memories we created and shared... But most of all, I'll celebrate his life daily with the memory of the man; a warm, sensitive human being whose kindness and generosity knew no bounds... I'll remember Doc Barry as a man who defined the word "FRIEND"... I'll miss him! Bud Kolb 01/15/99 In Celebration Of My Friend's Life Doc Barry August 18, 1927 - January 13, 1999 For any of you who may wish to continue Doc's website, I have renamed it so it can be easily downloaded or transloaded intact... For those of you who enjoyed the music he used on his website, I suggest that you visit: The Doc Barry Memorial Midi Library Anyone wishing to express condolences can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will pass them on to the family. eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/ufolist Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- Freedom of anything implies implicit 'responsibility' ... or why anarchism, in its political sense, has a hard time working ... AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Racists . . . : Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 10:22 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : I agree. : : Freedom of speach is a supposed "right" in the Western world, however, : this list can operate without offensive and racial remarks from the like : of "Hawk". : : He had his chance, and he blew it. : : -Original Message- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] : Sent: 18 January 1999 16:03 : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [CTRL] Racists . . . : : -Caveat Lector- : : Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to : read - : nazis and racists need not apply. : : I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start : their : own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their : disruptive : activity on this list. : : : Om : K : - : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting : propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid : matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and : outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor : effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, : CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to : readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial : and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : == : == : Archives Available at: : http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html : : http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ : == : == : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : Archives Available at: : http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html : : http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Clinton is irrelevant. Trial is not.
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: DSharp673 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 2:02 PM Subject: Clinton is irrelevant. Trial is not. As far as Im concerned, President Clintons fate is irrelevant, but a full-scale impeachment trial is badly needed. America is at a crossroads. We must now decide if honesty matters, if ethics matters, if truth matters, if justice matters. The United States government spends billions of dollars each year training citizens to lie. Skilled lying techniques are required if you want to work for the CIA, FBI, NSA and other U.S. spy agencies. It has been written that "lies and deception are the CIAs stock-in-trade." Clearly President Clinton is not only a shameless liar, but he is apparently a skilled, trained liar. The question is: Do we want skilled trained liars as our presidents? If not, we must also ask: Why do we spend billions training CIA types to lie? A trial is needed not only to determine if President Clinton lied, committed perjury, obstructed justice, whatever; it is needed to sort out what our nation really stands for. By defending Clinton, Democrats give the impression that they have no sense of morality, ethics or honor. On the other hand, Republicans are quick to lecture Clinton for a pattern of lies and deception, but Republicans collectively support agencies like the CIA, FBI, NSA; more-so than Democrats. And as I stated previously, these agencies train people to lie. It is clear that many politicians of both parties feel that lying is acceptable under certain circumstances. For Democrats, lying about sex is acceptable. For Republicans, lying about sex is just as serious as anything else. But neither partyparticularly Republicansbelieves lying in matters of national security is wrong. Neither partyparticularly Republicansbelieves training people to lie is wrong, so long as those people are U.S. spies. It has been suggested that President Clinton was groomed for his presidency by the CIA. (Reference "Partners in Power" by Roger Morris.) Therefore it is reasonable to presume that the CIA provided Clinton with extensive training about the art of lying. That puts us in a conundrum. At what point are lies and deception unacceptable? Is it okay for CIA employees, but bad for presidents? What if a CIA employee becomes president? Would it be fair to expect a CIA-trained liar to suddenly become another "Honest Abe?" Unfortunately, people dont change that easily. Its time to do some soul searching. I can think of no better forum to deal with the national epidemic of lying than a full-scale impeachment trial. Mendacity permeates every crack and crevice of our republic like termites slowly destroying the foundation of a once solid family dwelling. In my opinion, the national cult of mendacity began with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 and has festered ever since. Ironically President Clinton claims that Kennedy is one of is American heroes. One has to wonder, is Clinton sincere or is this more political positioning? We desperately need public debates on many troubling topics during the ongoing impeachment trial. Here are but a few examples things to discuss: 1. Why did Clinton attack Iraq on the eve of the House impeachment vote? 2. Why is no one discussing Patrick Knowltons addendum to Ken Starrs Whitewater report? (Patrick Knowlton was a witness in the Vince Foster case and is suing the government, charging that Ken Starr and the FBI harassed him because his testimony indicated that Foster may have been murdered. A three judge panel forced Starr to attach Knowltons addendum to the Starr Report. Not one single newspaper has reported this.) 3. What are Monica Lewinskys ties to Israel? Was she working on behalf of Israel when she seduced President Clinton? 4. Investigate Roger Morris suggestion that a young Bill Clinton was recruited by the CIA to participate in Operation Chaos where he worked as an informant, monitoring the activities of anti-Vietnam organizers for student rallies abroad and reporting his findings back to the CIA. In exchange, he would have been given a draft deferment along with political opportunities. 5. Why did the BATF really attack the Branch Davidians in 1993? Initially they claimed they were afraid the Davidians were about to commit mass-suicide like Jim Jones cult group in Jonestown. Later, after the Davidians allegedly committed suicide by setting themselves on fire while being attacked by the FBI using military tanks, Attorney General Janet Reno stated, "We had no idea they were suicidal." 6. Why has seismographic evidence been ignored in the Oklahoma City Bombing? Two seismographs recorded the blast and indicated there were two separate events. This has been hushed up by the news media. Why? 7. Why have few books been written about Israels involvement in the Kennedy assassination?
[CTRL] Warren Commission top investigator dead at 70.
-Caveat Lector- Anyone that thinks the driver killed Kennedy is ignorant, uninformed, and/or delusional. As Doc Barry would probably say: I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED! That thepory is more sublimely ridiculous than this man's judgement on the matter -- Earl Warren. http://cnn.com/US/9901/18/belin.obit/index.html ME On Sunday, January 17, 1999 9:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 3:49:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go ahead folks. Bring it on. Start with character assination and name calling and attempts at discrediting. I challenge all to tell me why I shouldn't report this here. Incidentally, I backed this video up and forwarded it enough times to witness this about forty times. Some time ago, someone sent me to a website that was supposed to let me know what really happened in response to an allusion that the driver was complicit and a murderer, a political assassin. At this site, I saw an image of the very situation I here describe and I saw the gun. Apparently, the photo was not intended. I reported to the webmaster that that very photo contradicted his take on it and now the website no longer exists. smile The idea that the Zapruder film has been tampered with is still an issue that is brought up by researchers all the time, so it is possible that much happened that we don't know about or can't rightly comment on. But I just think you are wrong. The driver did not kill Kennedy, that is not to say that he did no wrong for even if he did nothing more than the dramatic slow down that many witnesses attest to (or a full stop as some researchers claim) it was bad enough. The new Video Kenn Thomas mentions is a great one to take a look at, you should be able to rent it at a Blockbuster near you, "Image of an assassination". Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: MLK probe: documents not fake
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: ramon mcguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 3:25 AM Subject: MLK probe: documents not fake Atlanta Journal-Constitution For former FBI agent Donald Wilson, there is some sense of vindication. In March, Wilson came forward with two documents he said he retrieved from James Earl Ray's car in Atlanta in April 1968 but had kept hidden for 30 years. At the time, an FBI spokesman called the documents a "total fabrication." However, scientific examination of the documents since then suggests that they could be legitimate, according to federal authorities. While that characterization falls short of confirming the documents' validity, Wilson said he believed that was "a very positive development." "It's encouraging," said Dexter Scott King. "I hope this will lead to something." Attorney General Janet Reno ordered a limited probe in August into two aspects of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in Memphis on April 4, 1968: Wilson's documents and a public statement by former restaurant owner Loyd Jowers that a mobster paid him $100,000 to hire a hit man. Reno approved the investigation at the urging of Coretta Scott King and her four children. "The investigation is well under way," said Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin, who declined to give a timetable for when the probe might be completed. Jowers' attorney, Lewis Garrison, said his client wants to receive immunity before talking with Justice Department investigators. "They're calling and writing pretty regularly," Garrison said of the federal investigators. "But he's still a little fearful." Jowers, 72 and in ill health, used to own a restaurant on the ground floor of the building from which authorities say Ray fired the fatal shot from a second-floor bathroom window. Jowers has told the Kings that the shot came from a brushy area behind the restaurant and that the shooter handed him the rifle moments after the assassination. Jowers claims to have hidden the rifle and then given it to an unnamed conspirator the next morning. Ray, who died in April from liver disease, claimed he was set up by a smuggler he only knew as Raul. Ray had pleaded guilty in 1969 in exchange for a 99-year sentence but recanted within days and tried unsuccessfully to obtain a trial. The King family supported his efforts. The Kings point to Wilson's documents as significant because both have the name "Raul" written on them. "That speaks for itself," Wilson said. "It doesn't extricate Ray from the arena of responsibility, but it gives credibility to the existence of this mystery man Raul." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Why Was This Congressman Reduced to Tears Over Secret Clinton Rape Evidence?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Bill Nalty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 11:30 PM Subject: Why Was This Congressman Reduced to Tears Over Secret Clinton Rape Evidence? http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml NewsMax Sunday, January 17, 8:29 AM Inside Cover Congressman Reduced to Tears Over Secret Clinton Rape Evidence Arizona Rep. Matt Salmon told the Arizona Republic it left him "nauseated". Connecticut Rep. Chris Shays told the New York Times it was "horrific". Those are just two of the on the record reactions from House members who have viewed the evidence now being kept under lock and key in D.C.'s Gerald Ford Building -- about a rape allegedly committed in 1978 by then-Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton. Now Inside Cover has learned that the secret House material on the alleged rape of Jane Doe #5, a.k.a. Juanita Broaddrick, is so powerful and convincing that it actually reduced another House member -- a man -- to tears. Thursday night, on CNBCs "Hardball," host Chris Matthews alluded to an unnamed Representative who Matthews said was brought to tears as he reviewed the Broaddrick material. Reached by Inside Cover Friday on Sean Hannity's WABC radio show, Matthews revealed that, "the word is it was (Rep.) Mike Castle. Check it out." Inside Cover will do just that, though Castle's office was closed at press time. Matthews own assessment of the Juanita Broaddrick rape charge against Clinton? "I think it's believable. I think it's very credible. I know a reporter for the Washington Post who I've known for 20 years and she told me that she interviewed this woman and found her highly, in fact, totally credible." Matthews added, "Clinton sounds like a vampire." While the White House gleefully watches as Larry Flynt and James Carville blackmail GOP Senate trial managers with insider dirt, Republicans remain reluctant to release the bombshell Broaddrick material. Matthews said Henry Hyde has decided not to introduce any evidence substantiating Broaddrick's charge at trial. The "Hardball" host has reported in the past that Broaddrick's story was the last straw for more than a few pro-censure Republicans, who promptly reversed course and voted for impeachment. With two impeachment articles passing by a margin of five votes or less, Mr. Clinton might not be standing trial today but for the secret rape evidence against him. Perhaps Americans will learn the closely guarded details of what brought Rep. Castle to tears and Mr. Clinton to impeachment -- after the President is acquitted by the Senate. Friday January 15, 8:58 AM DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pinochet: 01-18
-Caveat Lector- From Agence France Presse (via Yahoo!) Pro- and anti-Pinochet camps protest outside House of Lords LONDON, Jan 18 (AFP) - A noisy crowd of supporters and opponents of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet held rival demonstrations on Monday as the House of Lords began to reconsider the 83-year-old general's fate. Outside the Palace of Westmister, where the proceedings are taking place, 200 supporters and 70 opponents of the former junta chief shouted slogans and brandished placards, kept apart by police barricades. "Free Free Pinochet" shouted his supporters, brandishing images of the junta chief as 100 large Chilean flags fluttered in the wind above them. On the other side of the police lines, placards were held aloft with the slogans: "We want justice" and "Pinochet: immunity equals impunity" as the chant rang out: "Extradite Pinochet" and "Garzon amigo (friend)". Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon, whose extradition request against Pinochet for terrorism, torture and genocide sparked off what became a major legal and political wrangle, had earlier entered the building to attend the hearing. At one point, a scuffle broke out after a supporter of Pinochet began shouting insults at the other camp, prompting someone to rush over and throw a projectile in his direction. Police intervened and led the two men away. A number of placards depicted Pinochet and former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher -- who has lobbied for his release -- both in military uniform and dripping in blood. And protestors held up a 20-metre long banner with white silhouettes of some of 3,000 people who "disappeared" under Pinochet's ruthless 1973-1990 rule. One of the anti-Pinochet protestors, a Chilean exile Jimmy Bell, 40, told AFP: "The only way people are going to get truth and justice is a trial in Spain". The exile, who has been in daily protest since Pinochet's arrest on October 16, said his father had been imprisoned for two years in Chile and that his adopted brother had "disappeared". He said he was confident the House of Lords, whose original ruling that Pinochet should face extradition was annulled because of one of the judges' links to human rights group Amnesty International, would make the same decision. "The circumstances have not changed. Why should they come to a different conclusion unless there is a political and economic pressure on them? That would mean Pinochet getting away with murder," he said. But a pro-Pinochet demonstrator, Tomas Ruiz, 21, who flew in the night before from Chile to offer his support to the ex-dictator, said the 3,000 deaths had been a necessary evil to save his country from worse violence. "If you did not do what he did, there would have been more dead, not just 3,000," he told AFP. "Those people there want revenge. They want another civil war," Ruiz said, pointing at the rival demonstrators. "We want our peace process. We feel Spain and England are taking away the chance for our own peace process," he insisted. From Reuters Monday January 18 1:17 PM ET Spain Puts Pinochet Trial Case To UK Court Picture: Reuters Photo Reuters Photo By Gerrard Raven LONDON (Reuters) - Many crimes for which Spain wants to try former Chilean leader Augusto Pinochet took place before he became head of state, so he cannot enjoy immunity from prosecution in these cases, a lawyer for Madrid said Monday. Alun Jones was opening a rehearing by Britain's highest court, the House of Lords, of whether proceedings by Spain to extradite Pinochet to face charges of murder, kidnap and torture can go ahead. Pinochet, who has been held in Britain since October, argues he is immune from prosecution as a former head of state in respect of the thousand of murders and disappearances which occurred when he held power between 1973 and 1990. But Jones claimed that there was evidence that Pinochet conspired with other senior military officers to plan a campaign of torture of their political enemies before the military coup which brought them to power. Football stadiums, ships and other facilities had been identified as places into which the victims could be herded immediately power was wrested from Salvador Allende. Dozens of Chilean naval officers unsympathetic to Pinochet were tortured on his orders the previous month, he added. And he claimed that Santiago, in its written submissions to the court, had effectively admitted that Pinochet did not formally become head of state until nine months after the coup. ``The government of Chile is offering evidence in carefully chosen words that the defendant was not head of state until June 1974, and they are only asserting immunity in respect of acts taken as head of state,'' Jones said. Submissions by Jones took up the whole of the first day of the hearing, which is expected to last about a week. In November, a five-strong panel of law lords ruled against immunity for Pinochet by three to two. The court set aside this ruling after it
[CTRL] Howard Zinn
-Caveat Lector- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:49:58 -0600 From: Neil Sapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Posted by Ray Stephens) Friends, I was drawn into a cocktail conversation yesterday evening about "the trial." As with all of the talking head shows on TV, I listened to the usual litany about sex and non-impeachable offenses and I made an ineffectual response. I still do not know where I come down on this matter. However, sitting in my In Box here at home was a piece by the New Left historian Howard Zinn, but I hadn't digested it and I was unable to cite it as a rejoinder to the cocktail party expert on impeachment. Further, last week, the venerable Gus Seligmann offered one interpretation of the effort to convict and remove William Jefferson Clinton as President of the United States on both H-Texas and H-Survey. Unfortunately, I do not know the provenance of the Zinn statements. Possibly they are the stuff of urban legend on the 'Net (Kurt Vonnegut's "commencement speech"), but Zinn's observations (I think) are another view of the Clinton presidential legacy. If a listmember can offer a source or a correction to the attribution to Howard Zinn, that would be a good thing. In the meantime, here is another take on President Clinton that I have not seen elsewhere. Neil Sapper Amarillo College ___ Ten Real Reasons to Impeach Clinton by Howard Zinn We all seem to have lost our sense of proportion. Why are the political leaders of the United States and the major media talking of impeaching Bill Clinton for lies about sex, surely not the most important sins of his administration? If Clinton is to be impeached, why do it for frivolous reasons? I can think of at least ten reasons to impeach him, for acts far more serious than his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky or his lies to Kenneth Starr. I am speaking of matters of life and death for large numbers of people. 1. Clinton approved, very early in his first administration, an armed attack on the compound of a religious sect in Waco, Texas, under circumstances which clearly did not warrant losing patience with negotiations and choosing a military solution. As a result of the attack, eighty-one people died, including men, women, and children. 2. Also in that first year in office, in June of 1993, he sent bombers over Baghdad, claiming it was in response to a planned assassination of former President George Bush, visiting the Middle East. The "evidence" came from the notoriously corrupt Kuwaiti police. The U.S. claimed to be aiming at "Intelligence Headquarters", but the bombs fell on a suburban neighborhood in Baghdad. At least six people were killed, including a prominent Iraqi artist and her husband. 3. While land mines strewn around the world continue to kill or cripple thousands of people each year, and although fifteen retired generals endorsed an immediate ban on all antipersonnel mines, the Clinton Administration refused to go along with a Canadian proposal for such a ban. 4. In Somalia, in June of 1993, with the country in a civil war, and people desperate for food, Clinton ordered a military operation to capture a popular Somali leader, General Adid. The result was a thousand Somali casualties, soldiers and civilians, and a number of American Rangers. On June 15, according to the Associated Press, a U.S. helicopter fired a missile into a residential area of Mogadishu, wounding 12 Somalis. Ambassador to Somalia Robert Oakley later said the military operation was "an unfortunate policy decision". 5. The Clinton Administration continued the embargoes on Cuba and Iraq, causing widespread misery in Cuba for lack of food and medicine, and hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq according to U.N. statistics. When Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was asked if the goal of putting pressure on Saddam Hussein was worth the lives of large numbers of Iraqi children, she responded: "we think it is worth it." 6. Claiming that he was introducing "welfare reform", President Clinton in the summer of 1996 signed a law to end the federal government's guarantee, created under the New Deal, of financial help to poor families with dependent children. The Los Angeles Times reported: "As ... families battle a new five-year limit on cash benefits...health experts anticipate a resurgence of tuberculosis and sexually transmitted diseases" 7. The Clinton Administration continued to spend $250 billion a year for the military, putting into jeopardy the lives and health of large numbers of Americans. Clinton was willing to spend two billion dollars each for the "stealth bomber" (the total cost would be 42 billion dollars) while putting perhaps a million people in jeopardy by taking away their federal benefits. 8. With millions of people either homeless or living under desperate conditions and needing low-cost housing, the President in 1996 signed the "Crime Bill", which allocated eight billion dollars to build new prisons. 9. Early in his first
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell
-Caveat Lector- Don't forget Geraldo is also a lawyer ... I'm actually beginning to appreciate Martia C. who is developing this almost sinister look about her, a cable Morticia Addams or Martia, Mistress of the Law (Coors in her future) (gone is the 'poodle'-ity) ... what I have a hard time accepting is her indignation over the President's finger wagging and attestation to some truth about his 'mentoree' when I seem to recall MC was the one who assured, promised, or otherwise guaranteed her evidence would put Orenthal away until way after the end of all time ... and when the news broke about Orenthal and his custody (child0 problems, she looked like a spurned prom date ... I realise that Orenthal is 'old' news but I recall he was the impetus for Geraldo's cable fame ... I think it's also interesting what little items of information he, alone, seems to be able to glean from the sources ... Nevertheless, I concur with your assessment; I wonder if they actually live beyond the studio / set ... AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell : Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 1:16 PM : : I can't think of three more despicable examples of their respective : professions. : : It would be nice if they became the characters in " No Exit." : : Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Please pass this along
-Caveat Lector- Mikelle is an eleven year old girl that has been missing from Mesa, AZ since Saturday, January 2, 1999. My 10 year old son attends the school she attends. Her family, people who know her, miss her so very much. Please click on the link below and go to her web page and help bring Mikelle home. Please check in on this Web Page periodically to get any updated information. If you have not seen or posted any of her flyers there is an address on this site to print from. This is Mikelle's Web Page. PLEASE CLICK HERE A HREF="http://members.aol.com/wecaremdb/page/WeCareMikelle.htm" WeCareMikelle/A or go to address: (highlight, copy and paste to web server) L http://members.aol.com/wecaremdb/page/WeCareMikelle.htm (Please Pass This On To Everyone) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Democracy Club
-Caveat Lector- Albright sketched the outlines of her idea for a new, formal grouping of the world's democratic nations in a wide-ranging interview. /// What a f.. joke. Some one ought to ask the hag where one of these democratic nations are in the world. The only democracy that ever existed was in acient Greece. No republic has ever existed. At this date in history, only political bribery forms of government and dictatorships exist any where in the world. Every politician that spits the words democracy democratic process out of their mouth are nothing less than a lying. These con words are used by politicians to make stupid Americans think they are in charge of their own government. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Call/write your Senator!
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The President simply must be convicted or forced to resign. You can help. Below you will find a listing of those U.S. Senate offices that have published Internet addresses on the Senate's Internet server. If you wish to inquire about any other Senate office's use of electronic mail, you must place your inquiry directly with the office in question. You can direct correspondence to your Senator or to other U.S. Senate offices at the following address: For Member inquiries: Office of Senator (Name) United States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510 For Committee inquiries: (Name of Committee) United States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510 Alternatively, you may phone the United States Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121. A switchboard operator will connect you directly with the Senate office you wish to speak with. SENATORS OF THE 106th CONGRESS http://www.senate.gov Capitol Switchboard 202-224-3121 1. Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) Phone: (202) 224-5744 Fax: (202) 224-3416 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) Phone: (202) 224-4124 Fax: (202) 224-3149 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) Phone: (202) 224-3004 Fax: (202) 224-2354 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. Sen. Frank H. Murkowski (R- Alaska) Phone: (202) 224-6665 Fax: (202) 224-5301 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) Phone: (202) 224-2235 Fax: (202) 228-2862 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. Sen. Jon L. Kyl (R-Ariz.) Phone: (202) 224-4521 Fax: (202) 228-1239 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) Phone: (202) 224-4843 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. Sen. Tim Hutchinson (R-Ark.) Phone: (202) 224-2353 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) Phone: (202) 224-3841 Fax: (202) 228-3954 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) Phone: (202) 224-3553 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11. Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.) Phone: (202) 224-5852 Fax: (202) 224-1933 12. Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) Phone: (202) 224-5941 Fax: (202) 224-6471 E-mail: http://www.senate.gov/~allard/ 13. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) Phone: (202) 224-2823 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 14. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) Phone: (202) 224-4041 Fax (202) 224-9750 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 15. Sen. William V. Roth, Jr. (R-Del.) Phone: (202) 224-2441 Fax: (202) 224-5920 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 16. Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-Del.) Phone: (202) 224-5042 Fax: (202) 224-0139 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 17. Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) Phone: (202) 224-3041 Fax: (202) 224-5621 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 18. Sen. Connie Mack (R-Fla.) Phone: (202) 224-5274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 19. Sen. Paul Coverdell (R-Ga.) Phone: (202) 224-3643 Fax: (202) 228-3783 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 20. Sen. Max W. Cleland (D-Ga.) Phone: (202) 224-3521 Fax: (202) 224-0072 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 21. Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii) Phone: (202) 224-3934 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 22. Sen. Daniel K. Akaka (D-Hawaii) Phone: (202) 224-6361 Fax: (202) 224-2126 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 23. Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho) Phone: (202) 224-2752 Fax: (202) 228-1067 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 24. Sen. Mike Crapo (R -Idaho) Phone: (202) 224-6142 Fax: (202) 224-5893 25. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R -Ill.) Phone: (202) 224-2854 Fax: (202) 228-5786 26. Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) Phone: (202) 224-2152 Fax: (202) 228-0400 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 27. Sen. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) Phone: (202) 224-4814 Fax: (202) 228-0360 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 28. Sen. Evan Bayh (D -Ind.) Phone: (202) 224-5623 Fax: (202) 228-4745 29. Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) Phone: (202) 224-3744 Fax: (202) 224-6020 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 30. Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) Phone: (202) 224-3254 Fax: (202) 224-9369 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 31. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) Phone: (202) 224-6521 Fax: (202) 228-1265 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 32. Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) Phone: (202) 224-4774 Fax: (202) 224-3514 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 33. Sen. Jim Bunning (R -Ky.) Phone: (202) 224-4343 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 34. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) Phone: (202) 224-2541 Fax: (202) 224-2499 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35. Sen. John B. Breaux (D-La.) Phone: (202) 224-4623 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 36. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) Phone: (202) 224-5824 Fax: (202) 224-9735 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 37. Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) Phone: (202) 224-5344 Fax: (202) 224-1946 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 38. Sen. Susan M. Collins (R-Maine) Phone: (202) 224-2523 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 39. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes (D-Md.) Phone: (202) 224-4524 Fax: (202) 224-1651 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 40. Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.) Phone: (202) 224-4654 Fax: (202) 224-8858 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 41. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) Phone: (202) 224-4543 Fax: (202) 224-2417 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 42. Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) Phone: (202) 224-2742 Fax: (202) 224-8525
[CTRL] Battling Holograms To Infest The Sky? Confirm A-albionic Theories?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: Battling Holograms To Infest The Sky? BATTLING HOLOGRAMS TO INFEST THE SKY? = (CNNS, 01/18/99) -- Axiomatic to A-Albionic Research has been their thesis: "The Overt and Covert Organs of the Vatican and British Empire are Locked in Mortal Combat for Control of the World." Reports are escalating that the Virgin Mary has appeared in the sky, giving hope and warnings to Christians. In the previous report from this news service, we noted how the late seer, Jeane Dixon, had predicted increased sightings of Mother Mary occurring in 1999: The image of Mary, it was predicted, would be "seen on every street corner" in some U.S. cities. ["'Church of Princess Diana' Emerges," CNNS, 01/18/99.] The Virgin Mary is most prominently connected to the Catholic Church, i.e. the Vatican. CNNS has also reported, in several past press releases, on a re-emerging Cult of Diana, whose sacred figure, the late Princess Diana, was apparently murdered by means of a fake "car accident." The image of Lady Diana is linked, most prominently, to Great Britain. Are these two sacred images about to do battle in the heavens? Reports have been circulating that improvements in holographic imaging technology have advanced that technology to the point where images of the Virgin Mary and of Princess Diana may be broadcast to the sky. Given that the Vatican and the British Empire are combating for control of the world, Mother Mary, already seen in the sky by many, may soon face competition from Princess Diana. But will the sky be big enough for both of them? Or will they begin to quarrel with each other in the clouds? The late Abbie Hoffman once whimsically suggested that Gulf Oil was negotiating with NASA to have NASA paint the Gulf logo on one side of the moon: you'd look to the sky at night and instead of the moon you'd see a giant GULF logo. Extrapolating from Hoffman's speculation, CNNS foresees a third competing presence in the vast billboard of the sky: corporate logos. In such a scenario, the Virgin Mary would first be challenged by "Saint Diana." But then, both of those sacred images would be crowded out by corporate logos. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote: I did not theorize the silver barrel, I saw it. I did not theorize the cloud of gas that was emitted from it, I saw it. I did not theorize that at the exact instant the cloud of gas is visible, Kennedy's head flew back, I saw it. I did not theorize that the individual in the passenger seat looked calmly back at Kennedy, turned back around, spoke to the driver, and that that was exactly when Greer's hand lifted, that then the cloud of gas appeared, and that at that exact instant, Kennedy's head flew back - I saw it. You saw none of these things. You HAVE seen an 'nth' generation copy of the Zapruder film, which may or may not have been 'doctored', which presents IMAGES which perhaps suggests such things to you... NONE of the actual eyewitnesses to the event, who were physically present in Dealy Plaza that November day in 1963 has stated that they saw the driver turn and shoot JFK...and people on the central divider of the Plaza who remained standing kept watching the limo, and would have had a direct line of site to the driver (being closest to him)... I am completely perplexed by the 'true believers' comment. It sounds like you are alluding to the fact that you have heard this story too often already. Has anyone else heard this before? Many timesit's not new... If what was in Greer's hand was not a gun, why the cloud of gas and why did that cloud coincide with his lifting of this long shiny object and with Kennedy's head flying back? How come this is on only one version of the Z-film and not seen on others? How come eyewitnesses didn't see him turn and shoot? How come you can't entertain the possibility that the version of the film you saw was DOCTORED to give you that impression? Really, I don't blame you. You very likely have not seen what I refer to. As a matter of fact, I have...at face value, it looks convincing... But I also find it suspicious that such images just 'suddenly' appeared, after 20 years...and that absolutely NO eyewitness saw it... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 07:05 PM 1/17/99 +, Snobird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Congratulations, Hawk! You have made it to my Filter-Delete list. I have absolutely no idea what you are doing here. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say to people on this list that has any value.. And until something convinces me otherwise, I want to save the bandwith. IMO, Kris is making a mistake trying to "argue" with you. I'm sorry to see that. You are clearly a no-win kinda guy. Enjoy your Mercedes. Have a nice day. sno0wl I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that can result from exposure to the ideas of others, and are especially confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view. It is probably better that you filter, rather than overextend. Barb Jim Norman: Thanks Barb, for a excellent thought, expertly crafted and clear to its meaning. You have helped crystalize in my mind the words to express a nagging "what's wrong with this picture" feeling as I followed this thread. I couldn't understand why Hawk was castigated for simply expressing ideas. Jim Norman DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Danny Update
-Caveat Lector- Having seen Danny's photograph, I have wondered how the DNA test could have been negative. Others have too, I'm sure, but none of us has been willing to say it out loud. My questions were: Did the Clintonistas get to the DNA lab, or was Danny's photo doctored? A HREF="http://38.201.154.103/articles/?a=1999/1/18/145516"NewsMax.com: Articles/A www.newsmax.com Clinton Paternity 'Test' Called into QuestionCarl LimbacherJanuary 18, 1999 FBI Mum on Accuracy of DNA Report on President The FBI refused last week to say that its lab report accurately portrays President Clinton's DNA profile, or whether that profile may have been altered in documents released to the House Judiciary Committee for reasons of national security or privacy. If the President's DNA was camouflaged in FBI documents, a DNA paternity test recently arranged by STAR Magazine would be unreliable. Reportedly test results rule out any possibility that Clinton is the father of Little Rock teen Danny Williams. Experts say that the only proper method for checking the paternity of the boy is through a paternity law suit, where the boy's DNA sample could be matched against a subpoenaed and verified sample of the President's. The four-page FBI Lab report on the President's DNA was included as part of the 60,000 pages of documents turned over to Congress by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr last fall. NewsMax.com obtained a copy of the lab report last week. In an exclusive interview with NewsMax.com, STAR editor Phil Bunton revealed that those four pages were the sole basis for the Clinton DNA profile used by a Nashville lab to compare against a full DNA analysis of blood drawn from Danny Williams and his mother, Bobbie Ann. Bunton would not identify the lab. Mr. Bunton said staffers on the House Judiciary Committee told STAR they "believed" the limited Clinton DNA profile was accurate but that STAR had been unable to get any confirmation from the FBI or Independent Counsel. Bunton said STAR Magazine would not report on its Danny Williams investigation in any upcoming issue. However, Christopher Curioli, an editor of scientific and medical textbooks whose recent work includes the CD-ROM version of "Gray's Anatomy", told NewsMax.com that the Clinton DNA information may have been deliberately changed in public documents. "Since it is rather easy to synthesize any gene sequence, the OIC, FBI or Secret Service might, as a matter of ethics or national security, present the results of the Clinton DNA tests and yet publish in the appendix (of Starr's report) an altered version of Clinton's DNA sequence or fragment lengths - for his protection," Curioli said. Curioli suggested that presenting a "protected sequence"; i.e., an altered version of actual DNA information, is commonplace in the fields of genetic and virological research as a matter of industrial security. In a president's case, the need for DNA confidentiality could be more pressing. The Secret Service seems acutely aware of this need. When the President took a few sips of beer during a photo-op at a pub in Manchester, England in 1997, Mr. Clinton's security detail wasted little time confiscating his glass as he departed. Reportedly, the Secret Service smashed the glass and were concerned that Clinton's fingerprints and DNA could fall into the wrong hands. NewsMax.com put Curioli's theory to a former high ranking official at the FBI laboratory who had dealt with the Bureau's DNA activities. He said the uniqueness of a Presidential DNA investigation may have led Bureau scientists to camouflage the results as reported in the Starr documents. Dr. Shirley Chan, of the DNA Learning Center at the world famous Cold Spring Harbor Labs in New York, reviewed the FBI lab report on Clinton's DNA for NewsMax.com. Dr. Chan explained that there was ample information in the FBI documents to rule out paternity. "If even one polymorphic marker doesn't match, then he's not the father." STAR editor Bunton confirmed to NewsMax.com that the Clinton-Danny Williams DNA comparison "wasn't even close." But Dr. Chan refused to rule out the possibility that the FBI's DNA markers on Clinton had been released in a protected sequence, suggesting that only the FBI or the OIC could answer that question. NewsMax.com contacted the FBI lab examiner who prepared the documents forwarded to the House Judiciary Committee; materials subsequently used by STAR Magazine for the Clinton paternity test. NewsMax.com's call was referred to FBI press spokesman Paul Bresson. Bresson himself was unavailable. But a staffer in his office responded to the question of whether Clinton's DNA profile had been camouflaged with a terse, "We're not going to answer a question like that." The Office of Independent Counsel surely knows whether the FBI Lab report was accurate about Clinton's DNA. But the OIC did not respond to repeated calls about the matter. If the Clinton DNA information is accurate, apparently no one is
[CTRL] Farewell to a friend: We love you Doc Barry
-Caveat Lector- All: It is with great sadness that I forward the news regarding the death of Doc Barry. Attached below is an HTML document provided by one of his close friends. You may view it in your browser if so equipped. Save this post in as an HTM file. God be with you always, Doc. Edward :-( ~ HTML HEAD TITLEWHAT'S UP DOC?® Changes Every Day/TITLE /HEAD BODY bgcolor="#00" TEXT="#ff" LINK="#ffcc99" VLINK="#99" !--#geoguide-- center table width="75%" cellpadding=5/tr/tdtr td align=center - MY DAD - p My sweet, show-up guy, p Forever in my corner, p Forever in my heart; p BRAVE IN LIFE,br BRAVE IN DEATH... p THANK YOU DAD... p We Love You, p Susan and Christine p /tr/td/tabletr td align=center table border=0 cellpadding=5/tr/td/td align=centerWe'd like to thank you for all your well wishes and your thoughts for our father.pHe cherished his time debating and discussing all the various subjects with all of you.pWe enjoyed hearing him "recount" all of his online activity... it brought him great pleasure and happiness (Would we lie?). We thank all of you for that. p Love,p Doc's "little guys"br Christine and Susan /tr/td/table p tr td align=center table width="640" border="10" cellpadding=5tr td align=center phr width="75%"p Doc Barry and I were friends for 33 years, and neighbors for the past seven; Wednesday, January 13th he was admitted to the hospital with congestive heart failure... he didn't survive. p I'll miss him a great deal, but I won't grieve anymore; not in the accepted sense of the word, I did that yesterday; from now on, I'll celebrate his life-- p I'll celebrate his life daily with remembrances of our daily laughter, and with the line: "It's great to be alive in Phoenix, Arizona" which was followed up immediately with George Burns' line: "At my age it's great to be alive ANYWHERE!" p I'll celebrate his life daily with the solace I'll find in the additional laughter evoked by the many, many memories we created and shared... p But most of all, I'll celebrate his life daily with the memory of the man; a warm, sensitive human being whose kindness and generosity knew no bounds... I'll remember Doc Barry as a man who defined the word "FRIEND"... I'll miss him! p Bud Kolbbr 01/15/99 br img src="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/7164/pix/docandle.gif" In Celebration Of My Friend's Lifebr Doc Barrybr August 18, 1927 - January 13, 1999 /tr/td/table p For any of you who may wish to continue Doc's website, I have renamed it so it can be easily downloaded or transloaded intact... p For those of you who enjoyed the music he used on his website, I suggest that you visit:p a href="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/7164/0hm-ml.html"The Doc Barry Memorial Midi Library/a p Anyone wishing to express condolences can reach me at a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and I will pass them on to the family. phr width="75%"p embed src="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/7164/other/mid/aintmisb.mid" autostart=true loop=2 /body /html "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SCARIER THAN THE LUCIFERIC OATH (re:The Silent War
-Caveat Lector- - SNETNEWS Mailing List Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:54:20 -0800 From: Cliff Hume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Our Enemies: Dear Mr. President: The Silent War For those that are interested, the Seal of the Order of the Illuminati can be found and examined on the back of the illegal 'Legal Tender' presently known as a Federal Reserve Note. Your dictionary will tell you that a note is an I.O.U. An I.O.U. without any backing is an I.O.U. nothing. Fiat. The Federal Reserve is a privately controlled corporation like the Bank of Canada or the Bank of England. The people that we are led to believe that we vote into office, have nothing to say about how these monopolies are run. The big game throughout the world is played throughout the world by the entral bankers who are in cahoots one with the other Central Bankers. Professor Adam Weisaupt drew up the game plan for this fraud on May Day, 1776. Under the Seal of the Order of the Illuminati 'neath the pyramid, on the reverse side of the one dollar Federal Reserve Note, is the inscription in Latin, NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, which translates into the New World Order. the following is from: TONY BROWN'S ILLUMINATI JOURNAL entitled: EMPOWER THE PEOPLE: A 7-step program to overthrow the conspiracy that is stealing your money and freedom. ISBN 0-688-15762-9 copyright 1998 Tony Brow ...The thirteen Templar stars arranged to shape Sion's six-pointed star sent a clear message to the initiated few that Sion and the Templar were united in founding the United States of America. The sacred sym- bols of Sion and the Temple, united in one design peer- ing through the glory cloud hovering above the Great American Eagle, signifies that both Sion and the Temple oversee the direction of our nation. What we consider as the reverse and obverse sides of the Seal of the United States (see dollar bill), according to Daniel, is a stamp of ownership of French and British Freemasonry respectively. The left side of the Great Seal is spiritual. The All-Seeing Eye hovering above the unfinished pyramid represents the Priory of Sion overseeing the Templar task of build- ing a universal New World Order. The right side of the Great Seal is political. The 13- starred hexagram hovering above the Flying Eagle repre- sents the union of Sion and the Temple brought about by the revived Roman empire. Illuminist Franklin, the double agent for French and British Masonry, convinced Jefferson and Adams that the Roman nu- meral MDCCLXXVI (1776) on the base of the unfinished pyramid represented America's year of independence and probably the year the Illuminati was founded, and that the thirteen layers of brick signified the thirteen colonies. The committee added the thirteen stripes on the eagle's breast-shield, thirteen berries and thirteen leaves in the eagle's talon, thirteen arrows and thirteen letters in E PLURI BUS UN UM. In reality, the thirteen stars above the eagle's head in a "glory cloud" form a six-pointed star, or hexagram, in symbolic arrangement of thirteen pentagrams. The hexagram is the coat of arms of the British Priory of Sion Masons, and the thirteen pentagrams represent the French Knights Templar Masons. The Illuminati seal, therefore, represents the British and French Masonries. The French Templars are associated with the thirteen steps of the unfinished pyramid and the thirteen letters in ANNUIT COEPTIS. The British, the Sion, are represented by "the All-Seeing Eye of the Illuminati, which is the Eye of Lucifer. And above and below this Devil symbol and the pyramid are ar- ranged the words ANNUIT OCEFTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, Latin for "Announcing the Birth of a New Secular Order," the Masonic concept of pantheism and secular humarusm. But it's those Roman numerals MDCCLXXVI at the base of the pyramid-the 1776 birth year of the Illuminati and the United States-that give every citizen of the Republic that was orga- nized "under God" the Devil's identification number, 666. That "is the only date that arranges the Roman numerals in the exact order spoken of by John in Revelation 13:18: 'and his number is Six hundred threescore and six' (600 + 60 + 6 = 666).This involves triangle symbology that is observable in the Thirty-third-Degree Mason pin, or Jewel, which includes a serpent eating its own tail and three interlaced triangles that, once separated, reveal 666. By separating the three triangles and arranging the nine Roman numerals into groups of threes, but adding only the numbers at the base of the triangles, the mark of the Beast re- veals itsel£ Group I, D (500) and C (100), equal 600; Group II, L (50) and X (10), equal 60; and Group III, V (S) and I (1), equal 6. The Roman numerals total 1776 exoterically and 666 (600 + 60 + 6) esoterically. A good place to study all of this is in Volume I of John Daniel's Scarlet and the Beast or Warren Weston's Father of Lies. M C X D C + L X + V I = 666 -- At first there was
Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 8:00:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/17/99 9:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, bigred@SHOUT. NET writes: clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views of the assembled senators? Personally I always figured that it *might* show Monica servicing the Democrats as part of a White House effort to swing the Senators votes So many desks...so little time:) Cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Danny Update
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Having seen Danny's photograph, I have wondered how the DNA test could have been negative. Others have too, I'm sure, but none of us has been willing to say it out loud. Au contraire. CNNS reported a few days ago on the likelihood of faked "science" in the Danny Williams/DNA story, due to threats to the Dollar, consequent "national security" issues, were the story of Clinton's illegitimate son validated. Brian Redman Editor, CNNS [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Foster, NSA Banks (Part 4)
-Caveat Lector- Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying, Part IV by J. Orlin Grabbe In an April 5, 1995, letter to Michael Geltner (10 E Street, S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003)--an attorney for Agora, Inc.-- Charles O. Morgan asserts; "6. Webster Hubbell never served as an attorney or in any other capacity for ALLTEL Corporation, or for any of its operations or subsidiaries, other than a single instance in 1983, when Systematics, Inc., engaged Mr. Hubbell to pursue a competitor that was using Systematics, Inc.'s propriety software without authorization; ..." In his admirable zeal to defend his client Systematics, Mr. Charles O. Morgan apparently forgot to do any research regarding the allegations he was denying. For his denial is mistaken. Web Hubbell (along with Hillary Rodham Clinton) represented Systematics in a 1978 lawsuit. In 1978 Jackson Stephens tried to take over Financial General Bankshares (FGB) in Washington, D.C. (FGB was later acquired by BCCI, renamed First American, and run by Robert Altman and Clark Clifford. Robert Altman was later acquitted of mis- leading regulators, and the case against Clifford was dropped due to his age and infirmity.) In the Stephens' takeover attempt, FGB sued--among others--Systematics. Briefs for Systematics were submitted by C.J. Giroir, Web Hubbell, and Hillary Rodham Clinton. The essential details may be found in the article "Who is Jack Ryan?" (*Wall Street Journal*, Monday, August 1, 1994): "Attorneys for Mr. Clifford and Mr. Altman included independent counsel Robert Fiske and Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, as well as Robert Bennett, president Clinton's attorney in the Paula Corbin Jones case. And, of course, Arkansas investment banking giant Stephens Inc., which says all connect- ions with the BCCI front men ended in 1978, does acknowledge it handled their initial brokerage for the purchase. "Indeed, in the early takeover maneuvers Financial General Bankshares, First American's predecessor company, brought a 1978 lawsuit naming 'Bert Lance, Bank of Credit Commerce International, Agha Hasan Abedhi, Eugene J. Metzger, Jackson Stephens, Stephens Inc., Systematics Inc. and John Does numbers 1 through 25.' The suit was ultimately settled, but intriguingly, briefs for Systematics, a Stephens property, were submitted by a trio of lawyers including C.J. Giroir and Webster L. Hubbell and signed by Hillary Rodham." First American was subsequently used by the CIA to manage and launder money for covert operations. As noted in a U.S. Senate report: "After the CIA knew that BCCI was as an institution a fundamentally corrupt criminal enterprise, it continued to use both BCCI and First American, BCCI's secretly held U.S. subsidiary, for CIA operations. ... "Kamal Adham, who was the CIA's principal liason for the entire Middle East from the mid-1960s through 1979, was the lead frontman for BCCI in its takeover of First American, was an important nominee shareholder for BCCI, and remains one of the key players in the entire BCCI affair." (Senator John Kerry and Senator Hank Brown, *The BCCI Affair: a Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate*, GPO, December 1992.) The Arkansas connection to CIA covert operations and First American may help explain why "independent" counsel Robert Fiske failed to find much evidence of wrong-doing in his investigation into Whitewater. And perhaps it also helps explain why Charles O. Morgan does such sloppy research, for as we have seen, Web Hubbell represented his client Systematics Inc. five years prior to the "single instance in 1983" that Charles O. Morgan claims. Does Charles O. Morgan have a blind spot where intelligence activities are concerned? Surely he has thought about the issue, for in his April 5, 1995, letter to Michael Geltner, Morgan sweepingly asserts: "4. None of ALLTEL's operations or subsidiaries has ever had any connection in any capacity with the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, or any other similar agency in the United States Government; ..." How can Charles O. Morgan possibly know this about his client, given that he *doesn't even know about
[CTRL] Clinton - I Agree
-Caveat Lector- Subject: I Agree... This letter was written by Eric Jowers, a retired Army Officer, who served as public affairs officer at Fort Rucker from 1989 to 1991. He now lives in Ozark, Alabama. - Dear Mr. President: It's not about sex. If it were about sex, you would be long gone. Just like a doctor, attorney or teacher who had sex with a patient, client or student half his age, you would have violated the ethics of your office and would be long gone. Just like a Sergeant Major of the Army, Gene McKinney, who though found not guilty, was forced to resign amid accusations of sexual abuse. Remember the Air Force General you wouldn't nominate to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff because he freely admitted to an affair almost 15 years before, while he and his wife were separated? Unlike you, he was never accused of having a starry-eyed office assistant my daughter's age perform oral sex on him while he was on the phone and his wife and daughter were upstairs. If it were about sex, you should be subjected to the same horrible hearings that Clarence Thomas was subjected to because of the accusations of Anita Hill. The only accusation then was that he talked dirty to her; he didn't even leave semen stains on her dress. No, it's not about sex. It's about character. It's about lying. It's about arrogance. It's about abuse of power. It's about dodging the draft and lying about it. When caught in a lie by letters you wrote, you concocted a story that nobody believed. But we excused it and looked away. It's about smoking dope, and lying about it. "I didn't inhale," you said. Sure, and when I was 15 and my buddies and I swiped a beer from an unwatched refrigerator, we drank from it, but we didn't swallow. "I broke no laws of the United States," you said. That's right, you smoked dope in England or Norway or Moscow; where you were demonstrating against the U.S.A. You lied, but we excused it and looked away. It's about you selling overnight stays in the White House to any foreigner or other contributor with untraceable cash. It's about Whitewater and Jim and Susan McDougal and Arkansas, Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and Vincent Foster and Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones and Karen Willey and nearly countless others. It's about stealing the records from Foster's office while his body was still warm and putting them in your bedroom and "not noticing them" for two years. It's about illegal political contributions. It's about you and Al Gore soliciting contributions and selling influence at Buddhist temples and in the same Oval Office where Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt led their countries through the dark days of wars that threatened the very existence of our nation. But we excused you and looked away. It's about hiding evidence from Ken Starr, refusing to testify, filing legal motions, coaching witnesses, obstructing justice and delaying Judge Starr's inquiry for months and years, and then complaining that it has gone on too long. The polls agreed. Thank goodness that Judge Starr didn't read the polls, play politics or excuse you and look away. He held on to the evidence like a tenacious bulldog. Your supporters say that you've confessed your wrong doings and asked for our forgiveness. Listen, what you said on TV the night you testified to the grand jury was not a confession; overwhelming evidence is not a confession at all. Not that it would make a lot of difference. A murderer who contritely confesses his crime is still a murderer. When your "confession" didn't sell, even to your friends, you became more forthcoming. Maybe someday you'll confess more, but probably not. You've established such a pattern of lying that we can't believe you anymore. Neither can your cabinet, the Congress or any of the leaders of the nations of the world. When a leader's actions defame and emasculate our country as profoundly as yours have, it's no longer a personal matter, as you claim. It's no longer a matter among you, your family and your God. By the way, I don't believe for a minute that Hillary was unaware of your sexual misadventures, abuses of power and pattern of lying. She has been a party to your wrong doings since Whitewater and Jennifer Flowers just as surely as she lied about the Rose law firm's billings and hid the Vincent Foster evidence in your bedroom for two years. Why? So she could share in the raw power that your office carries. The two of you probably lied to Chelsea, but that is a matter among you, your family and your God. Remember the sign over James Carvill's desk during the l992 campaign? It said, "It's the economy, stupid! Place this sign over your desk: "It's about character, stupid!" No, it's not about sex, Mr. President. If it were, you would be long gone. It's about character; but we have to live with your filth, lies and
Re: [CTRL] Redundant Waste Disposal Methods
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 5:20:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Dow Chemical Company is the fifth largest chemical company in the world, with annual sales of more than $20 billion. Dow provides chemicals, plastics, energy, agricultural products, consumer goods and environmental services. The company operates 114 manufacturing sites in 33 countrie I have such a hard time thinking of Dow as such a good guy. I wouldn't trust them to discharge even rainwater. There's something about all those wonderful chemical companies. Better living through chemistry--of course maybe not for very long. Prudy Dow...The same good people who brought us silicon breast implants...which led to the Sports Illustrated swim suit issue...which put 100s of thousands of men in instant heat, not to mention Ellen, KC and Ann Heche. :) Cheers Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Warren Commission top investigator dead at 70.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 1:01:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone that thinks the driver killed Kennedy is ignorant, uninformed, and/or delusional. As Doc Barry would probably say: I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED! The news article should have read..:) The top Warren Commission investigator died with a single gun shot wound to the head which entered his head causing massive damage to the brain, turned downward at a 90 degree angle, hit a rib, did another 45 degree angle turn and exited shattering his wrist, and femor. The bullet was found totally intact with no material missing and in a undeformed state. The coroner in the Bethesda Naval Hospital ruled that it was the worst case of suicide he had ever seen. **If you liked that one...how about this one... The top Warren Commission investigator died in a hail of gunfire. His bullet riddled body was found with 650 holes in it, any one of which would have been fatal. His death was determined to have been caused by a single man using a rusted 1880 single action revolver. cheers, Robert DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.
-Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: Two pertinent articles (The Global Hand and Technology Hoax), from the April 21, 1997 edition of Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0421/5908085a.htm Barb Yeah right Barb. Forbes Magazine. The " Capitaist tool." That's a good source for pointing out the disasters of the global econmy. Joshua2 However, if you're going to critique something, it is commonly expected that you at least peruse the material and then mention specifics Barb === This is from the posted site: "Capital emigrated, too. British money, instead of staying at home, built railroads in the U.S. and Argentina, tea gardens in India, and literally created Hong Kong and Calcutta. In a single year, 1871, London absorbed over $100 million of American securities; by 1893 foreigners had sent $3 billion to the U.S. "National boundaries did not disappear; bloody wars were yet to be fought over them. But for the first time in history people, money and goods were able to flow across them quite freely. "It was as if a giant global handkind of like Adam Smith's "invisible hand" gone internationalrearranged the world economy. As Jeffrey Williamson, an economics professor at Harvard, says of this period, 1860-1913: "Capital and labor flowed across national boundaries in unprecedented quantity, and commodity trade boomed." "The results, in terms of global well-being, were fabulous. Railroad and steamship technology had made transportation much cheaper" == My question is where did the foreign capital come from? Who were the investors who bought the railroad stocks and bonds in America? What were their expectations concerning interest and dividends? What happened when the bonds defaulted? I submit much of the capital came from illegal trade--piracy, vice, slavery and opium. That's who founded Forbes. The Forbes, Perkins and Russell families founded Skull and Bones at Yale primarily, IMHO, to keep their trade secrets and to recruit people to carry on the operations throughout the world who would take an oath of secrecy. That's why I tend to discount much of what Forbes magazine publishes. Linda DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- Ok Howard, Let us see hawk said I called him a fraud and liar. I never did once. I never saw any rational argument from Hawk, nothing but theocratic and apologist rhetoric. Since YOU know how I work. Please explain and show your evidence. And I did not defend my positions. Go to the archives, buddy. Hawk didn't defend squat. If you do not think hawk is a hypocrite, I submit you are unaware of what the word means. And please show me calling hawk a name. Don't like the way I run my list, leave, nobody asked you to be here and I sure dunna care. If you want off the list, then just keep up the subject of defending a slavery apologist and you and hawk can swap racist jokes all ya want. Disgustingly yours, Om K In a message dated 1/18/99 10:49:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just the other day I got this e-mail from Hawk in regards to a theory I had concerning the arguement referenced below. Here it is: Hawk wrote: "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: Hawk, Carlene: I just realized how this guy works. Whenever he cannot defend his possition he uses name calling and derision. Then, if responded to with more rational arguements he responds again with more name calling and derision. Eventually the person he is argueing with responds in kind and then he responds by calling that person unreasonable and disruptive using quotes from that person to prove his point. Howard... you are one smart dude! You're right... of course you're right. I kept wondering why, when I'd answer his questions with a reasoned approach, he'd come right back saying "Hypocrite didn't answer my question! He's a fraud, a liar," etc... You're on target with your evaluation of his tactic. hawk - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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This is a post-only mailing. Please DO NOT respond to this message. *** http://www.newsmax.com Breaking News in NewsMax.com Clinton Paternity 'Test' Called into Question By Carl Limbacher STAR's sole source for Clinton's DNA in their recent paternity testing of Danny Williams was the DNA sequence in the Starr report. But the FBI won't say whether the published DNA sequence was altered for national security reasons, or not. If the President's DNA was camouflaged in FBI documents, the results of the paternity test recently arranged by STAR Magazine mean nothing. Read all about it at NewsMax.com http://www.newsmax.com *** If you do not wish to be placed on the NewsMax email list, reply to this message with email and type the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the first line of BODY copy, or send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the NewsMax email list, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more information, address your inquiries to the list manager at the email address show below: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
