-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- About Lynn's points -- they were that 1) Catholics appear to be controlling political forces in NZ now and that they appear to be a negative force, 2) Jewish names appear to be people used in these white slavery-drug procurement exercises which mind control victims seem to be caught in the middle of. Yes to both points. I wrote theory articles a couple of years ago on the name game with victims -- MOST victims names begin with "C" or "J" or A or S. I began to theorize that child designated by cults for use in these human slavery games are implanted, give names especially like Christine, Kathy, Judith, Anne, Steve, Stephanie, Jim, Joe, Candy, etc...because cults like symbolism, their nature, I theorized that the names related to Christian themes -- Christ, Jesus, Archangel, and Savior. I also theorized that these children may be cult-clones -- in part and conceived underground, birthed by above-ground mommies -- children of deception, adoptees, from the underground. They may be blood children, clones of two or more people or of a designated breeder in the community in which the breeder lives. They may be clones of family members who are dead. They may be -- whatever...the cult's protocols are -- and if it is a satanic cult that owns the victim, then their protocols wound apply. Secondly -- these possible clones may also be related to the Merovigian bloodlines, the supposed Irish bloodlines of Christ. So these kids are sought after by people who want bloodlined children. And a whole underground world may be operating this reproductive scheme...even as far back as 1940 and George Viereck's writings (he was the British double spy working with Intel agencies -- ) he was quoting seemier elements he ran into as talking at length about "blood babies" -- obviously clonning was going on pre-1940 anyway. Nazis may have been pushing their Arian agendas down people's thoats, using cult's special hormone drugs and health drugs to force a controlled blonde race. Jews may have been using clonning going way back -- too as a method of preserving their race, esp. the Hassidics. All of this may have been hush-hush unless you were married and informed. What about the brithing the baby in the public toilet routine??? I believe that these may be either children of incest or are clonned babies that these women may not want to raise..women may be getting abortions too if they suspect that the child isn't their own. But, back to Catholics -- according to M. Rieslings' excellent book on the history of the CIA and FBI, (hard to get BTW, short edition of this book was put out) "Wedge" -- 90% of FBI agents ARE Catholic. The Catholic coven-cults protect people well, very well, and people stick to em. But, if you hear "Catholic," THINK FBI agent. This could go for your NZ public officials too. They may be Intel connected. Nearly all of Manhattan is Catholic controlled, Mafia controlled -- 26 families there handling things -- say some contacts of mine. And this rings true, a pizza parlor on every single block -- and an Irish pub on every block. And Italian restaurants everywhere are handling this thing -- nearly every Manhattan neighborhood is now Mafia controlled. Although the upper west side has a lot of Jews (esp. psychotherapists...man, thousands of em) and the upper east side is the Protestant, Anglo-Saxon groups of huge wealth, still the Italians control, clandestinely probably all the street activity & wares games going on there, along with Black pimps working with Intel agencies. What seems to escape mc victims is the notion that these seemier, satanic cult guys exist -- and that they really may have hybrid-humans amongst them. These really may be people-animals who were DNA experimentations or people who are part ET DNA. These people do exist I now believe and are living amongst us. Most often they are very homely, dressed to look like women but may be men. Wrongly categorized as transvestites, they may not be at all, but are actually new cultures emerging clandestinely because of the controversial nature of who they really are. Black cultures have known about these people for a very long time and worked with em, got involved with em, began using their technologies and specialized drugs for money. Then CIA got involved with em, because there was so much in money to be made, I now believe. But we really have to look a lot closer at who we are seeing in public now -- these new people are all around us. Warhol's Factory included ET clones -- and other strange hybrid people in it. Scorsase is the only director I know of to actually film this underworld at work -- in VERY brave films including definitely Good Fellas -- you see how the Mafia is parleying it's bread story intermingling with the Reptiods...always portrayed as "the girlfriends"...of. Reptoids and hybrids have one particular element in common physically -- they are humans with quite large heads. The normal proportion is 1:7. Hybrids and reptoids have more like a 1:5 proportion -- and many other aspects of their physiques relate to whatever animal they may have been descended from. Hybrids and reptoids also are involved with biker groups, see Hell's Angel's -- the funeral sequence is all satanic cult stuff -- top to bottom. Hybrids assault people they LIKE. This is part of their natural programming story, evidently. Damn horrible way to try to get someone in your court. Hybrids and reptoids are involved with the British Crowley cults -- the Golden Dawn cults which Hitler was probably involved with. And numerous photos of these guys are shown on the Net in Crowley Golden Dawn web URLs. I highly caution anyone who gets into these photo shoot things, not to fall for the verbal triggers in the URLs -- and never, ever send these people emails. They know how to track ya, stage more implants, get involved with nasty neighbors to make money on you. Don't reply to these people. Last -- yeah. We are witnessing a take-over by Catholics worldwide even -- it is in part a result of their heavy handed coven-cults and how protective they are. And this also spells many more Intel connected people in govt....we are in the middle now of a satanic world take-over of countries....these underworld groups are using very hideous tactics to search and destroy individuals... Judith In a message dated 1/21/00 9:30:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Subj: Re: [MC] About Northern NJ & MC Victims Date: 1/21/00 9:30:54 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lyn Milnes) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read Judith's narrative of a group of people in an apartment building with interest. What I am picking up very strongly in this account is the number of people with Jewish-like names and the number of people suffering health problems that (to me) could have been caused by frequency weapons and other assaults. >> <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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