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-Caveat Lector- Mostly, the people have bought into the propaganda put out by the two ruling parties: "A vote for a third party is a wasted vote." I find it remarkably funny that when I talk to people on a one to one basis, they agree more with Libertarians than with either of the Republicrats. However, when I suggest that what they actually want will not come about unless they actually vote for the man who espouses their ideals, they parrot the line "But I don't want to throw away my vote." Very frustrating. It seems that, to many Americans, voting is like betting; they want to bet on who they think will win, not who they want to win. To me, if you don't vote you have no right to bitch about how things are going. Jayson On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:33:27 EST Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/00 7:59:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we want to send a protest message to the big two in power, we vote for an independent or someone the partys in power like to attack. Unfortunately here in the US most people are too busy voting against the person they consider the "bad guy" rather than making their vote count by showing their disapproval of the ruling party and voting for one of the "third" parties. Either that, or they are just too afraid of liberty because they have been sucking the tit of government handouts so long they think they can't make a living by themselves. I belong to the majority, the 50% that didn't vote for Bush or Gore. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Commiserations
-Caveat Lector- Sorry to see the Bush family coup of America. The Australian media and talkback radio airwaves reflect that we all are dumbfounded at your electoral process, and especially that 12,000 or so key votes WERE NOT ALLOWED to be counted in your election. I feared our system could head the same way. Both political parties have repeatedly tested the water in terms of public approval on removal of compulsory voting, which I assume to be the first step to grabbing more power. That's right, here in Australia voting is compulsory. If we failed to count 12,000 votes there would be national uproar, in fact, it would never come to that under the present system. Happily though, you Americans may have ensured that defenders of compulsory voting will always have handy ammunition of what could happen if we give it away. regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Commiserations
-Caveat Lector- Duncan wrote: That's right, here in Australia voting is compulsory. If we failed to count 12,000 votes there would be national uproar, in fact, it would never come to that under the present system. How does your government enforce compulsory voting? What happens to someone if they *don't* vote? What is the rate of spoiled ballots? Thanks, Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Commiserations
-Caveat Lector- How does your government enforce compulsory voting? What happens to someone if they *don't* vote? What is the rate of spoiled ballots? Thanks, Kelly If we do not go and have our name crossed off the 'list' in our local polling booth, we eventually get sent a 'please explain' and/or a fine. There is nothing stopping anyone keen enough going to every booth in the electorate and voting again and again. As long as your name is ticked off once, that is all the computer looks for. Preferences are what gets most of our politicians in. ie if a candidate doesn't receive enough primary votes, then his/her preferences flow onto someone else (of their choosing). Our system is also open to massive rorting (you wouldn't believe how many dead people vote before the computer catches up with the obits column and deletes them from the electoral rolls). As for spoiled ballots - I do not have figures handy. Basically though, we feel a little bit empowered, and we feel that every vote DOES count. If we want to send a protest message to the big two in power, we vote for an independent or someone the partys in power like to attack. regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Commiserations
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/00 7:59:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we want to send a protest message to the big two in power, we vote for an independent or someone the partys in power like to attack. Unfortunately here in the US most people are too busy voting against the person they consider the "bad guy" rather than making their vote count by showing their disapproval of the ruling party and voting for one of the "third" parties. Either that, or they are just too afraid of liberty because they have been sucking the tit of government handouts so long they think they can't make a living by themselves. I belong to the majority, the 50% that didn't vote for Bush or Gore. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
