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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:12:56 -0800
From: Libby Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Neil Cherry radio show transcript!

Dear Friends,

Dr. Neil Cherry held a long conversation with Linda Howe last night,
January 30,  which aired on radio stations all over the United States,
reaching into the homes of more than 35 million regular listeners plus the
uncounted numbers of people who tuned in after being alerted about this
interview.  Linda quoted from Dr. Cherry's June 1998 report on the Effects
of non-ionizing radiation on humans, animal and plant cells:

                       "There is strong evidence that extreme low frequency
(ELF) and radio frequency microwaves (RF/MW) are associated with accelerated
aging
(enhanced cell death and cancer) and mood depression, suicide, anger, rage
and
violence,
primarily through alteration of cellular calcium ions and the
melatonin/serotonin
balance."

                        - Dr. Neil Cherry, Lincoln University, New Zealand
from his June 1998 report, Actual or potential effects of ELF and RF/MW
radiation
on accelerating  aging of human, animal or plant cells.

The complete transcript is below.  It also can be downloaded from Linda
Howe's website:. http://earthfiles.com/earth113.htm

Based on the listener feedback since this show aired (we just learned that
faxes, emails and phone calls have been piling in) we were informed this
morning that The Art Bell Show will continue to cover this story and Linda
Howe will continue to be our champion on this issue in pursuing the story
on this major societal issue as part of her regular weekly contributions to
the Art Bell Dreamland Show.

On the show, Linda referenced Dr. Ross Adey's web site:
     http://www.electric-words.com/adey/adeyindex.html
Linda also recommended B. Blake Leavitt's book, and called it a "brilliant"
book, a must read for anyone concerned about this issue.  She quoted from
it in the interview. This book may be ordered by going to
      http://www.wave-guide.org/library/bibliography.html

We are all very grateful to those who worked with such great persistance to
get this important show aired.

Best Wishes,

Libby Kelley

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More Bans on Cell Phone Use by Drivers

 © 2000 by Linda Moulton Howe

 Microwave Tower.

                       January 30, 2000  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - First
an Ohio town banned cell phone use by
                       drivers. Now, the borough of Conshohocken west of
Philadelphia has become the second
                       community in Pennsylvania to prohibit motor vehicle
drivers from using cell phones while driving.
                       Pennsylvania's governor is even considering a
legislative proposal to ban cell phone use by drivers
                       throughout the state. Recently a 2-year-old girl was
killed in a collision caused by a driver dialing a
                       cell phone. Another child was recently killed by a
distracted cell phone user. Conshohocken Police
                       Chief James Dougherty added, "We've had problems
with people driving through town talking on
                       cell phones where they've almost hit people. They're
not paying attention."

                       Dozens of medical research studies have also
concluded that the microwave frequencies coming
                       into the heads of cell phone users are enough to
cause neurological changes in brains that can
                       produce fatigue, dizziness and loss of
concentration. Recently I talked with Neil Cherry, Ph.D.,
                       Biophysicist at Lincoln University in Christ Church,
New Zealand. Dr. Cherry considers the
                       proliferation of cell phones, microwave towers and
microwave pollution to be a serious contributor
                       to cancer, brain tumors and increasing neurological
problems among the human population.
             Interview
                       Neil Cherry, Ph.D., Biophysicist, Lincoln University
in Christ Church, New Zealand:  "Cell
                       phone users in Sweden - 11,000 Scandinavian cell
phone users were studied and they showed
                       significant neurological effects in a dose response
manner.

                       SUCH AS?

                       Such as headaches, fatigue, tiredness and dizziness
and a study in Australia also showed nausea.
                       So, neurological effects, hormone effects, show that
all these exposures are damaging cells, are
                       changing the cell to cell communication in the brain
causing neurological effects. And we now also
                       have studies showing chronic neurological problems
of depression, arteriosclerosis and Alzheimer's''
                       in electrical industry. So, this is not a surprising
result with the soup of electromagnetic radiation we
                       are living in these days.

                       SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE
ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY
                       OR ARE AN ELECTRICIAN OR WORKING ON POWER
LINES OR
IN MICROWAVES -
                       IN THAT COMMUNITY OF PROFESSIONALS THERE
WOULD BE A
HIGHER
                       INCIDENT OF NEUROLOGICAL PROBLEMS?

                       That's right. That's what these studies show. There
is also a higher incidence of cardiac problems. A
                       recent study showed a definite dose response manner
in terms of the timing function in hearts. You
                       get more heart attacks and more heart disease. So,
we now have a very large body of science
                       showing that brains and hearts and bodies in across
the spectrum exposure from power lines, from
                       appliances and electrical industries, military
personnel working with radio and radar get sickness
                       which is associated with cell deaths and accelerated
aging towards cancer, accelerated aging
                       towards neurological problems. It has now been shown
in many studies.

                       AND LOOKING AT THIS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS A
BIOPHYSICIST, WHAT
                       CAN BE DONE TO PROTECT ANIMAL LIFE, PLANT LIFE
AND
HUMAN LIFE FROM
                       A PROLIFERATION OF MICROWAVES AND EXTREME
LOW
FREQUENCY WAVES?

                       We can design houses to reduce the exposure to
people living in them. We can design appliances
                       like cell phones and microwave ovens, televisions
and computer screens so they are not exposing
                       the users as much as present devices do. We can have
corridors for utilities like power lines. In
                       New Zealand and other countries, power lines go
right over houses. That shouldn't happen.

                       We have a very big push around the world at the
moment to go mobile, to use mobile phones, to
                       not use the wired telephone. The wired telephone is
much more benign than the mobile phone. And
                       we should be wiring up our cities with fiber optic
cables to provide internet, FAX, telephone, radio
                       and television at very high quality to houses and
cities, rather than saturating our cities with the
                       microwave, radio wave and low frequency signals all
the time. There are plenty of ways of fixing the
                       problem.

                       SO A SHIFT FROM MICROWAVE TRANSMISSION TO
FIBER
OPTIC CABLE WOULD
                       DIMINISH THIS NEGATIVE IMPACT A GREAT DEAL?

                       Yes. So instead of having a very large tower like in
San Francisco with dozens and now probably
                       hundreds of antennas on it radiating people in the
Bay area; or in Golden, Colorado there is an
                       antenna farm that radiates people in the Denver and
Golden area - all those signals could be put in
                       fiber optic cable at far higher quality and there is
no electromagnetic radiation from that cable. But it
                       would also be more expensive. The situation is: the
carriers, the telecommunications companies, are
                       using the atmosphere and polluting it just like the
factories and nuclear power stations have in the
                       past, rather than putting their pollution in pipes.
In this case, fiber optic pipes so there is no emission
                       from them.

                       GIVEN THE FACT THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH RESEARCH
DOCUMENTING THESE
                       NEGATIVE EFFECTS - NEUROLOGICALLY AND
OTHERWISE -
FROM EXPOSURE
                       TO MICROWAVES AND ELF, WHY WOULDN'T INDUSTRY
AND
POLITICAL
                       SYSTEMS WANT TO PUSH FOR FIBER OPTICS, PERHAPS
SUBSIDIZING FIBER
                       OPTIC EXPANSION SINCE THERE IS THIS MEDICAL
EVIDENCE
THAT NOT DOING
                       IT IS HURTING A LOT OF PEOPLE?

                       Well, money drives the system, doesn't it? And the
companies are based on shareholders' profits
                       and if a company is allowed in one part of the world
to use the atmosphere and another country
                       tightens up and says, like the United States
established this policy of going from wireless to fiber
                       optic cables, then they would carry the cost. And
it's a cost-driven system that is not driven by the
                       public health system. That's how you get these
decisions. Just like in the tobacco industry, for
                       decades the industry will deny the evidence of these
effects. They would deny that these studies
                       exist or they deny the quality of these studies
because it is far cheaper for them to make profits by
                       polluting the air rather than the higher cost
technology.

                       But in the long run, those industries that move into
this area (of fiber optics) first and the same with
                       the oil companies and those who are moving to have
more efficient energy, those who move to
                       more efficient telecommunications will probably make
the biggest profits in the long run as these
                       studies get more and more strength behind them and
the public hear about them and say industry is
                       ignoring them. Hopefully, governments eventually
will take the independent advice - not industry
                       advice - and will protect the public health and move
to lead the world in this area of finding new
                       clean technology. It's an old fashioned term, clean
technology. Telecommunications currently is dirty
                       technology, not clean technology.

                       EXCEPT FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE TRYING TO
CONVERT
OVER TO FIBER
                       OPTIC CABLE?

                       Yes, those are the leading industries and they will
find that they can get far higher signals down
                       those cables, with far bigger bandwidth, far faster
cleaner data transfer than you can through the
                       atmosphere with thunderstorms, geomagnetic activity
and all sorts of activity does interfere with the
                       signals.

                       For example, the telecommunication operators in the
Southwest Pacific have just made a very
                       expensive cable from Australia and New Zealand to
the United States because they can't rely on
                       satellites. And they thought they could.

                       FOR PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS RADIO PROGRAM WHO
HAVE
CELL PHONES,
                       WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THE ART ON THE
MOST
RECENTLY
                       MANUFACTURED CELL PHONES IN TERMS OF
PROTECTING
USERS FROM
                       MICROWAVES?

                       There are the hands-free kits available and there
are also information on the internet on the levels of
                       exposure of each of the cell phones manufactured.
But people should be choosing cell phones that
                       have low emissions, they should be choosing hands
free, they should also choose not to use a cell
                       phone when an ordinary telephone is available. And
that way, the cell phone companies will be
                       encouraged to put shields around their cell phones
before they sell them and to make sure the
                       antenna is pointing at the cell site, mobile phone
site, not at your head.

                       FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE SOME OF THE VERY FIRST
USERS OF
CELL PHONES
                       AND EXPOSED TO MICROWAVE FREQUENCIES OVER THE
PAST
DECADE,
                       DECADE AND A HALF, WHAT IS THE INCREASED RISK OF
CANCER OR
                       NEUROLOGICAL DISEASE IN THOSE PEOPLE?

                       The risk is extremely high. I have established that
there are 66 epidemiological studies showing that
                       electromagnetic radiation across the spectrum
increase brain tumors in human populations. Two of
                       those studies are for particular brain tumors from
cell phones. I am expecting because these cell
                       phone exposures of the head is far higher than even
the highest military exposures for which we find
                       very large increases in cancer - then cell phone
users will be showing these symptoms. But the
                       latency of cancer is decades. And so we need a large
population for about two to three decades
                       using these cell phones for a large increase in
brain tumors to be observed.

                       The neurological effects, though, are coming earlier
and we're already seeing those as acute effects
                       that are noticed within minutes of using a cell
phone. But the neurological disease requires a good
                       portion of the brain to be damaged. That takes time
because our bodies are working very hard to
                       repair the damage and the continuing accumulation of
damage over decades will show a very large
                       increase in neurological effects, memory loss,
headaches and the concentration problem. So when
                       people, for example, start to have those affects,
are driving the car and are using their cell phones
                       so their attention is diverted, there will be a
large increase in road accidents and that is already
                       starting to occur. It's been noticed in some areas
that the use of cell phones while driving is being
                       looked at very carefully. But it is also the actual
neurological effects of reducing the concentration,
                       of producing neurological dysfunction while you are
driving which is a very scary thing on our very
                       busy roads.

                       SO IT IS NOT SIMPLY THE DISTRACTION OF TALKING TO
SOMEBODY ON THE
                       PHONE AS MUCH AS IT IS THAT YOU AND OTHERS HAVE
BEEN
ABLE TO VERIFY
                       THAT THE VERY ACT OF TALKING ON A CELL PHONE
AND
BEING EXPOSED TO
                       MICROWAVE FREQUENCIES DOES HAVE A DELETERIOUS
EFFECT
ON THE
                       BRAIN'S ABILITY TO CONCENTRATE?

                       That's right. The Univ. of Washington exposed rats,
for example, to a microwave signal and ELF
                       signal having learned the task of swimming and
finding a way to get out of a pool. When they were
                       exposed, they couldn't find their way out. So, that
showed that microwaves in rats produce these
                       problems. The experiment of using cell phones has
shown similar effects that cell phones changes
                       your way of recalling information.

                       And some frequencies, we know from electromagnetic
radiation, interfere with their brain
                       frequencies and speed up a reaction time and other
frequencies slow down our reaction times. This
                       has been known now for 30 years. The work was done
at the Max Planck Institute and the Munich
                       Technical University in the 1950s and 1960s, where
you could change peoples' reaction times at
                       will using low frequency signals. So, we are
exposing people to a thousand times higher signals
                       using cell phones than that signal; therefore, I'm
not surprised that we've seen these neurological
                       effects.

                       DO YOU THINK IT WILL COME TO THE POINT THAT
POLITICAL SYSTEMS WILL
                       BEGIN TO MOVE TO BANNING THE USE OF CELL PHONES
IN
AUTOMOBILES IN
                       GENERAL?

                       That I think will be an early political response to
the growing data. It will be part of a series of
                       political responses. There is now a strong move that
is being opposed strongly by industry to put
                       health warnings on cell phones. We should get
information out to the public about driving because
                       that's a very clear risk. And then, the use of the
cell phones about the neurological and brain tumor
                       problem is another one to put a health warning on.
And we can see the history of pattern in the
                       tobacco industry being followed quite precisely in
the cell phone industry because the effects were
                       known and shown very early. And that's true with the
cell phone. "

            More Info
                       "There is strong evidence that extreme low frequency
(ELF) and radio frequency microwaves
                       (RF/MW) are associated with accelerated aging
(enhanced cll death and cancer) and moods,
                       depression, suicide, anger, rage and violence,
primarily through alteration of cellular calcium ions
                       and the melatonin/serotonin balance." - Dr. Neil
Cherry, Lincoln University, New Zealand from his
                       June 1998 report, Actual or potential effects of ELF
and RF/MW radiation on accelerating
                       aging of human, animal or plant cells.

                                  Copyright © 2000 Linda Moulton Howe
                                    All Rights Reserved.


Libby Kelley
Executive Director
Council on Wireless Technology Impacts
aka ~ Ad Hoc Association of Parties Concerned about
     the FCC's Radiofrequency Radiation Health and Safety Rules
____________________________
Website:  http://www.ccwti.org
Phone - 415-892-1863
Fax -     415-892-3108
Address:
936-B Seventh Street, # 206
Novato, California 94945

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