Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-10 Thread Ric Carter
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] nurev wrote: "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: Ric Carter wrote: Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any individuals from joining in free association, incorporating

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-10 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- Okay Nuerve and E Mael..that's good boys. Now Moo Moo is going to take nap (but I am a light sleeper, remember that). Moo Moo DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-09 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- Neurv and E Mael: I thought I told you two kids to knock it off...its Mother's Day Moo Moo DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-09 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I answered you off list. Why did you go back on list smilin' tweezer boy? - J2 - just one of many dirty tricks you will learn when you play with me, monkey boy.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-09 Thread Howard R. Davis III
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on their belief system.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-09 Thread Howard R. Davis III
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups to engage in

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-08 Thread E Mael
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: MONKEY BOY!!! NAVEL LINT!!! Listen here you wayward wad of whapit. The best part of you streamed down the pigs thigh. It contained the chromosomes with the instructions to develop a brain. How do you write this shit anyway? Who can stand you

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-08 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- Okay you guys.this is Mother Jones talkingknock it off. Moo Moo Never thought I would raise such children. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: No no. They are the creation of Capitalists with the license from government. Jeez guys, can't you get over this government as bogeyman shit? It positively ruins your thinking abilities. Joshua2

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-07 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- Jim Norman wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on their belief system. And likeYou don't? Why

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-06 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: T'ain't so. Capitalism is about acquiring and manipulating CAPITAL, about owning and controlling the means of production of material goods. Capitalism is thus about POWER. In any non-trivial

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-06 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and the ever so

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-06 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups to engage in commercial, charitable, governmental or other

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-06 Thread E Mael
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: No no. They are the creation of Capitalists with the license from government. Jeez guys, can't you get over this government as bogeyman shit? It positively ruins your thinking abilities. Joshua2 pretty kewl huh josh; when someone actually

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: T'ain't so. Capitalism is about acquiring and manipulating CAPITAL, about owning and controlling the means of production of material goods. Capitalism is thus about POWER. In any non-trivial society, many conflicting interests will

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW. These twisted apostles of

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- Scott Brown wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Das GOAT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-05 07:41:57 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690 I'm waiting for someone to claim that

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Das GOAT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-05 07:51:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We shall soon see who among us is masturbating. It won't be a pleasant sight. I have heard rumors that Ayn Rand is the most popular centerfold among degenerate capitalists. Fully clothed. I just don't get it.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Jim Norman
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on their belief system. And likeYou don't? Why are you trying to make everybody think as you

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- MJ: Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690 Das GOAT wrote: I'm waiting for someone to claim that the "property" owned by

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-04 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Das GOAT wrote: First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange --

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-04 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-04 Thread Scott Brown
-Caveat Lector- nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Das GOAT wrote: First off,

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-04 Thread Howard R. Davis III
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups to engage in commercial, charitable, governmental or other activities? Do corporations [public or private] have

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-04 Thread Ric Carter
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ric Carter wrote: Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups to engage in commercial, charitable,

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-03 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Das GOAT wrote: First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-03 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: Meanwhile, all the previous writers in this thread seem to assume Capitalism is about fee-for-service, then argue whether a State has a role in resolving disputes between contractor and contractee. MJ: Non sequitur, strawman ... proving this

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-03 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- This Ben Ladin or whatever his name is; he is a capitalist.his father was a contractor.and this is allegedly where he got his millions of dollars. Now again, who is kidding who.what ever happened to him; he is still on this list (just kidding). Colleen Tlhe

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-03 Thread philately
-Caveat Lector- "The idea of 'free contract' between the potentate and his starving subject is a sick joke..." http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/interviews/9612-anarchism.html Interview: "Noam Chomsky on Anarchism" by Tom Lane, December 23, 1996 snip 5. Many "anarcho-capitalists"

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-02 Thread Scott Brown
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without the State.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-02 Thread Ric Carter
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Scott Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] everything snipped Hey, you guys are gonna have to clean all that stuff up you know. Hey, it's easy. Meanwhile, all the previous writers in this thread seem to assume Capitalism is about fee-for-service, then

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, I think that was the point I was making. But, remember America was Statist from the Get Go via the Federalists. Esp. Alexander Hamilton's advocacy of a Central Bank...ie,

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without the State. MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Capitalism requires the State to be absent ... once it

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread Jeff Russo
-Caveat Lector- --- "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without the State. MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: I contract with you... I pay you $20. You do NOT paint my porch. I now have two options: 1) hunt you down and get my money back or kill you. 2) Use some sort of legal recourse, provided by the state, to solve this dispute. MJ: A. I

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- My goodness.pay the $20.00.. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread Jeff Russo
-Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: I contract with you... I pay you $20. You do NOT paint my porch. I now have two options: 1) hunt you down and get my money back or kill you. 2) Use some sort of legal recourse, provided by the state, to solve this dispute.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread Das GOAT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-01 13:03:50 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange -- "barter,"

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- And this gentlemen, is why you never steal anything small.. Be like the big guysThink Big.. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-05-01 Thread Howard R. Davis III
-Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without the State. MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch.

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-04-30 Thread Howard R. Davis III
-Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, I think that was the point I was making. But, remember America was Statist from the Get Go via the Federalists. Esp. Alexander Hamilton's advocacy of a Central Bank...ie, the First Bank of the United States. Laissez-faire is an

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-04-30 Thread Lloyd Miller
-Caveat Lector- Yes, I think that was the point I was making. But, remember America was Statist from the Get Go via the Federalists. Esp. Alexander Hamilton's advocacy of a Central Bank...ie, the First Bank of the United States. Laissez-faire is an ideal, not something that has ever been

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

1999-04-29 Thread Lloyd Miller
-Caveat Lector- MAbUS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]... The capitalist system has one major flaw. It is that after it is fully developed and exploited, there must be destruction because further growth is no longer possible. I am afraid this is an old fallacy with no basis in economics.