-Caveat Lector- Wow! Great article! I am so glad Samantha did ask you for this information. Anyone else note how the "crooked courts" are supposed to rule in Bush's favor because of their political ties? So now that they are NOT, does that mean they are ruling for Gore because they are ALL Democrats? I have read on this list over and over how the US Supremes are going to give Bush everything he wants, etc. but it is the FL Supremes who are re-writing the law as they go along. Guess that is not political--they just want a fair count of every Gore vote that can be manufactured and they just failed to fabricate enough with all those cameras watching. Let's do the whole state--they can't possibly film all counties counting at once! Amelia ----- Original Message ----- From: "kl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore > -Caveat Lector- > > On 8 Dec 2000, at 13:47, Samantha L. wrote: > > > And your factual support for such a statement is..........? > > > > Samantha > > While it's no longer necessary for armies of the dead to travel from polling > place to polling place, the same thing is accomplished now by dedicated > party bosses who manufacture phantom votes for those who are no longer > able to make it in to vote. > > And yes, I am aware that there is also Republican vote fraud, but the > majority of it seems to occur in primaries and/or local elections - probably > because they don't control enough punch-card precincts to get away with it > on a national level, unlike the Democrats. > > The Votescam video shot in Miami showed the League of > Women Voters using pencils to punch holes in the computer vote cards > This coincided with evidence the Colliers had gleaned in Miami years > earlier where they discovered that precinct captains had taken ballot > cards home a week before elections to punch out a slate of candidates > using an IBM Port-o-punch. This device could punch identical holes in a > pad of 50 cards. The tweezers were used to pull out tabs that didn't "fall > out" because the cards were packed together when they were punched. > ...then-State Attorney in Miami, Janet Reno, ... As detailed in > Votescam, when Attorney Ellis Rubin, appointed by the Miami Circuit > Court, brought our evidence of vote fraud to Janet Reno in Dade > County, she told Rubin that prosecution would bring down too > many people, including judges and news media heads. > *** > > "Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120 Presidential race ballots were destroyed > by deliberate double-punching ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan." > "There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach [County]. These ballots show > Democratic voter fraud . . . NOT Republican fraud or 'voter error' as publicized by the national media. Statistical evidence > cannot prove any single ballot was tampered with, nor show which individual tampered with any single ballot. It can show > specific places and times and methods where the fraud was done. (For example, if 15,000 dollars are missing from the > register the day after your cashier left on a Los Vegas vacation, there is no direct evidence that the cashier stole the > money. If, however, 19,120 dollars are missing from the register the next year when the cashier again leaves for > vacation in Los Vegas, one has reason to investigate the cashier closely.)" > "ONLY Palm Beach County Florida voters seem incapable of understanding and using this style of ballot. Palm Beach > County has an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY other county in the nation using paper punch ballots!" > "ONLY in Palm Beach (and in ONLY the most heavily Democratic precincts) were 19,120 ballots rejected in 2000 for > double punching. . . (This is a 4.4% error rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less than 1/2 of ONE percent 'double > punch' error rate!" > "ONLY in Palm Beach did this 'double punch' error happen ONLY in the Gore-Bush-Buchanan selections for President. > (In a truly random 'error,' the mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate. In Palm Beach, the massive errors > -- over 19,000 -- ONLY happened in the Presidential race.)" > "ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 50 out of 67 counties in FL, the actual change in the > recount was 5-7 votes, and in 63 out of 67 counties, the total change was less than 30 votes either way. Further, in > 63 out of 67 counties the 'changes' were somewhat evenly divided between ALL the candidates, in rough proportion > to the original number of votes. This is the statistically expected result, and represents a true and legal recount of the > ballots without any change in the ballots themselves." > "Palm Beach [County] had an error rate in favor of Gore more than 120 TIMES greater than any other county. . . ." > "In EVERY precinct in Palm Beach where Gore got more votes than there are registered Democrats, Bush received > less than 60% of the registered Republican votes. In NO precinct in Palm Beach County did Bush receive more than > 80% of the number of registered Republicans." > "ONLY in Palm Beach did Bush receive LESS than 65% of the registered Republican voters. > (Registered Republicans = 231,626 while Bush voters = 152,954.) On average, in every other county in FL Bush received > MORE votes than there were registered Republicans." > "Also, unique in the entire state, the percentage of Republican voters COUNTED as voting in Palm Beach was much > less than normal, despite the pre-election attention to Florida as a critical state; and massive Republican get -out-the-vote > campaigns." > "ONLY in Palm Beach County do the smaller (Congressional) races outdraw the Presidential race." > "ONLY in Palm Beach did Buchanan get less than HALF of the votes he received before in 1996." > "There is a simple, single explanation for ALL of these 19,120 problems in ONE set of ballots in ONE district in ONE state." > "15,000 Bush ballots, and 3,400 more Buchanan ballots, were double-punched to imitate a Gore vote, AFTER legitimate voters > left their polling booth." > "It is statistically impossible (odds of over 149 million to 1) to have ONE county out of 67 change its recount votes by over > 900 votes if it is counting untainted, unaltered ballots, while the other 64 counties (using legal methods) change their > recounts by less than 30 votes either way!" > "Palm Beach County was one the last counties in Florida to release its voting results, and the Palm Beach County > results were critical in a last minute 'surge' in Gore votes that reduced Bush's lead from 50,000 votes (in Florida overall) > to less than 1500. Late delivery of votes, with the specific precinct vote count delayed until the required number of votes > is known, is classic symptom of local election fraud. It DOES NOT prove fraud, but late delivery of vote results is the most > common way of tampering with the vote, and is essential if ballot tampering is involved in the vote fraud. Late delivery of > fraudulent votes has happened in several previous democratic elections at the national level, showing that the individuals > involved had close knowledge of previous fraud and its successes." > "Also, national democratic teams were in flight to Palm Beach immediately after midnight, again before the results were > officially known to anyone. This indicates that democratic leaders at the precinct level (and thus the national level) knew > about the 'confusion' (accidentally/incorrectly double-punched Buchanan ballots) BEFORE the Palm Beach votes were > counted, and several hours before they were released to the Florida election officials." > "Note too that this telemarketing campaign began before the Palm Beach results were announced. Before anyone > (other than election officials) knew how many double-punched ballots > existed, nor which ballot choices (for president) were double-punched." > "Thus, there is a pattern not of massive error by the voters, but of continued fraud by the Democratic election committee > members and local officials. Further indication of deliberate fraud is that there is no evidence of previous massive 'voter error' > in Democratic primaries, Democratic runoff's, or Congressional races the past years." > -- From Ballot Tampering and Voter Fraud in Palm Beach County by Robert A. Cook, PE. Posted here: 12-4-00. > http://www.youdontsay.org/Mustread.htm > *** > > "VOTE FRAUD IN 2000 A CERTAINTY > Crime/Corruption Opinion (Published) Keywords: VOTE FRAUD > Source: Jack Thompson > Author: John Fund > Posted on 10/24/2000 09:03:47 PDT by RMDupree > Jack Thompson, Attorney > > 1172 South Dixie Highway, Suite 111 > > Coral Gables, Florida 33146-2750 > > Phone: 305-XXX-XXXX > > Fax: 305-XXX-XXXX > > October 24, 2000 > > IMMEDIATE NEWS RELEASE > The Wall Street Journal's John Fund noted in an incisive piece published > yesterday that the risk of electronic vote fraud in this year's Presidential > election is real. It is more than a risk: it is a certainty. > > The one federal law enforcement official entrusted with the duty to > investigate and prosecute vote fraud is someone who has not just failed to > do so in the past but who has in fact covered up such vote fraud. Her name > is Janet Reno. > > Still available in print is a book by Jim and Ken Collier entitled > Votescam: The Stealing of America. Recounted therein, among other true > tales, are the efforts of the Collier brothers to alert then Dade County > (Florida) State Attorney Janet Reno to computer vote fraud here. They > found bogus ballots in boxes and took the ballots to Reno. She had them > arrested for stealing (get this) government property. Every first-semester > law student knows there is no crime if there is no criminal intent. Taking > evidence proving a crime directly to a prosecutor is not a crime; it is > grounds for receiving the key to the city. Reno thought and acted > otherwise. > > Reno dragged out the prosecution of the Colliers for two years to > bankrupt and discredit them, and on the eve of the trial in which the > complicity of her and her office would be proven, she dropped the charges. > > In another instance, Reno's female assistant at the Justice Department > journeyed back to Hialeah, Florida, to work in the campaign for Raul > Martinez for Mayor. Reno's assistant was caught falsifying absentee > ballots! > > Florida's electoral votes may be the key to who wins the White House. > There is a history of electronic vote fraud here, since the last election for > Mayor of Miami was thrown out because of vote fraud. Reno's apparatus is > still fully in place here. It works. > > At the end of the last Presidential debate, Governor Bush urged those > who support Al Gore to "vote only once." There is no indication that > Governor Bush knows that this is not just a joke. The Bush campaign > should be talking seriously about vote fraud across the nation, for two > reasons: > 1) to send a warning shot over the bow of the Clinton/Gore Justice > Department, and > 2) to remind voters that this is the most corrupt Justice Department in > our nation's history. Governor Bush will be a victim of vote fraud in > Florida. That is certain. It may cost him the election. Better that he > know it now. " > > Mr. Thompson was Reno's Republican Opponent in the General Election of > 1988 for the Office of Dade County State Attorney. His extended bio is > available at www.kepplerassociates.com, go to "speaker by name," click > on "Jack Thompson" > Posted on http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39f5b2e316c3.htm > *** > > FYI . . . > Commentary > Phantom Voters May Have > Real Impact at Polls > By John H. Fund, a member of the Journal's > editorial board. > 10/23/00 > The audience laughed at the end > of the third debate when George W. Bush closed by thanking his supporters > and saying "for those of you for my opponent, please vote only once." It > was a joke, but one with serious overtones. > Many experts think this election could be as close as the one in 1960, > when John F. Kennedy won by less than one vote per precinct. If so, this > year's election could include similar allegations of vote fraud. "Just as > in 1960, the temptation to steal votes in key swing states will be > enormous," says political scientist Larry Sabato of the University of > Virginia. "Complacency is so great and enforcement so lax that the odds > are we'll never know how much fraud was committed." > Kennedy supporters used local political bosses in Chicago and Texas to > pad vote totals. Vote fraud today is more sophisticated but may be just as > pervasive. "We have the modern world's sloppiest election systems," says > University of Texas political scientist Walter Dean Burnham. > Indeed, voter fraud has become a bigger problem since the 1993 federal > Motor Voter law required states to allow people to register to vote when > they get a driver's license; 47 states don't require any proof of U.S. > residence for enrollment. Motor Voter has added some eight million people > to the rolls, but the bipartisan polling team of Ed Goeas and Celinda Lake > estimates that less than 5% of "motor voters" normally go to the polls. The > Justice Department has often blocked states from weeding out people who > have died or changed addresses. > That's important because in most states you don't have to show photo > identification to vote, making it quite easy for someone to vote in someone > else's name. It also makes it easier to manipulate the growing number of > absentee ballots. In 1998, more than 40% of ballots cast in Washington, > Oregon and Nevada were absentee votes. Another 13 states saw between > 20% and 40% of their votes cast absentee. > In 1998, the mayoral election in Miami was thrown out after it was > learned "vote brokers" had signed hundreds of phony absentee ballots. That > same year, former Democratic Rep. Austin Murphy of Pennsylvania was > convicted of absentee voter fraud. "In this area there's a pattern of > nursing-home administrators frequently forging ballots under residents' > names," says Sean Cavanagh, a Democratic county supervisor who > uncovered the scandal. He believes law enforcement turns a blind eye to > voter fraud in many other places. > A number of hotly contested races this year could hinge on voter fraud. > Rep. James Rogan (R., Calif.), a House impeachment manager, says that in > this year's primary his sister-in-law accidentally discovered someone had > cast an absentee ballot in her name. "The system is ripe for abuse," says > Mr. Rogan, a former municipal judge. > Mr. Rogan's biggest complaint is that California and many other states > don't require voters to show any identification at the polls. This > continues at a time when you have to show photo ID to cash a check, board > an airplane or even get a library card. Those under age 27 now have to show > ID to buy cigarettes, but not to vote. Four attempts to pass a photo ID > requirement in California have died in the legislature. > Some politicians try to make the current system even more susceptible to > fraud. Vice President Gore's office took the lead in convincing the > Immigration and Naturalization Service to waive "stupid rules" on > background checks so that hundreds of thousands of people awaiting > citizenship would be "processed in time" for the 1996 election. It was > later learned that 75,000 new citizens had arrest records when they > applied. A spot check of 100 random new citizens by the House Judiciary > Committee found that 20% of the sample had been arrested for serious > crimes after they were given citizenship. > What can be done about voter fraud? This year, Virginia will require > voters to show ID or sign a sworn statement of their identity. The Voting > Integrity Project, a national watchdog group, is helping local governments > clean up their voter rolls. Mike Rogers, a former Federal Bureau of > Investigation agent who is running for Congress in Michigan, says one > precinct in his district has had a 109% voter turnout; he plans to employ > off-duty policemen to check up on polling places. > But anyone who combats vote fraud comes in for abuse. The Justice > Department has become expert at raising cries of "voter intimidation" at > any attempt to monitor polling places. Last week Justice dispatched > investigators to Fort Worth, Texas, merely because a political activist > there distributed leaflets alleging Democrats were casting absentee ballots > on behalf of shut-in voters. When the Miami Herald won a Pulitzer Prize for > its reporting on the fraud in that city's mayoral election, the Pulitzer > jury noted it had been subject to "a public campaign accusing the paper of > ethnic bias and attempted intimidation." Local officials who've tried to > purge voter rolls of felons and noncitizens have been hit with nuisance > lawsuits alleging civil-rights abuse. > Nonsense. A generation ago, the existence of insidious poll taxes and > other forms of voter intimidation represented a real threat to local > democracy. But those problems have receded, only to be replaced by > old-fashioned ballot rigging. This year saw teams of election observers in > Peru, Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia, countries where fraud has been rampant. > Perhaps it's time for some election observers in our own backyard. Surely > the right to vote includes an equal right not to have that ballot diluted > by phantom or manipulated voters, especially when the stakes are nothing > less than the presidency. > 8 Posted on 10/24/2000 09:20:52 PDT by harpu > FreeRepublic > , LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794 > Forum Version 2.0a Copyright © 1999 Free Republic, LLC > *** > Wall Street Journal Fears Vote Fraud > Politics/Elections Front Page News > Source: NewsMax,com > Published: 10/24/00 Author: Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff > Posted on 10/24/2000 21:07:27 PDT by kattracks > If the presidential election is still neck and neck on Election Day, the > race may be decided by phantom voters, warns the Wall Street > Journal's John Fund. > "Many experts think this election could be as close as the one in 1960, > when John F. Kennedy won by less than one vote per precinct. If so, > this year's election could include similar allegations of vote fraud," Fund > wrote in Tuesday's edition. > "'Just as in 1960, the temptation to steal votes in key swing states will be > enormous,'" political scientist Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia > told the Journal. "Complacency is so great and enforcement so lax that > the odds are we'll never know how much fraud was committed." > Fund quotes other experts who believe that vote fraud is anything but a > relic of the past. It's different only because it's more sophisticated. It is > no longer necessary for the dead to rise on Election Day and flock to the > polls - there are far easier ways to steal elections nowadays. > In 1996, for example, Vice President Gore's office used the massive > power of the executive branch to get the Immigration and Naturalization > Service to waive "stupid rules" on background checks so that hundreds > of thousands of people awaiting citizenship would be "processed in time" > for the 1996 election to cast grateful votes for their Democrat > benefactors. > "It was later learned that 75,000 new citizens had arrest records when > they applied. A spot check of 100 random new citizens by the House > Judiciary Committee found that 20 percent of the sample had been > arrested for serious crimes after they were given citizenship," the Journal > reported. > "We have the modern world's sloppiest election systems," University of > Texas political scientist Walter Dean Burnham told Fund. > Making fraud easier are laws such as the 1993 federal Motor Voter law > that required states to allow people to register to vote when they get a > driver's license. Moreover, 47 states don't require any proof of U.S. > residence for enrollment. The Motor Voter law has added some 8 > million people to the rolls, but the bipartisan polling team of Ed Goeas > and Celinda Lake estimates that fewer than 5 percent of "motor voters" > normally go to the polls. > Incredibly, Janet Reno's Justice Department has often blocked states > from purging people from the voting rolls who have died or changed > addresses. Purging the rolls is an important check against fraud, because > in most states nobody is required to show photo identification before > voting and it's easy for phantom voters to use other people's names to > vote. > The Reno Justice Department has also taken the lead in making > accusations of "voter intimidation" when anybody tries to monitor polling > places for incidents of fraud. Last week, for example, Justice sent > investigators to Fort Worth, Texas, to check on a political activist who > distributed leaflets accusing local Democrats of casting absentee ballots > on behalf of shut-in voters. > Fund recalls that when the Miami Herald won a Pulitzer Prize for its > reporting on the fraud in that city's mayoral election, the Pulitzer jury > noted it had been subject to "a public campaign accusing the paper of > ethnic bias and attempted intimidation." Local officials who've tried to > purge voter rolls of felons and non-citizens have been hit with nuisance > lawsuits alleging civil-rights abuse. > In 1960, after JFK edged Nixon out in an election marked by massive > incidents of voter fraud, a South Carolina Democrat congressman told a > Nixon staff member, "You Republicans had better learn that unless you > win big, we'll steal it from you." > Nothing seems to have changed all that much. > 1 Posted on 10/24/2000 21:07:27 PDT by kattracks > http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39f65c7f25ff.htm > *** > To: kattracks > Incredibly, Janet Reno's Justice Department has often blocked states > from purging people from the voting rolls who have died or changed > addresses. Purging the rolls is an important check against fraud, because > in most states nobody is required to show photo identification before > voting and it's easy for phantom voters to use other people's names to > vote. > The Reno Justice Department has also taken the lead in making > accusations of "voter intimidation" when anybody tries to monitor polling > places for incidents of fraud. Last week, for example, Justice sent > investigators to Fort Worth, Texas, to check on a political activist who > distributed leaflets accusing local Democrats of casting absentee ballots > on behalf of shut-in voters. > Fund recalls that when the Miami Herald won a Pulitzer Prize for its > reporting on the fraud in that city's mayoral election, the Pulitzer jury > noted it had been subject to "a public campaign accusing the paper of > ethnic bias and attempted intimidation." Local officials who've tried to > purge voter rolls of felons and non-citizens have been hit with nuisance > lawsuits alleging civil-rights abuse. > In 1960, after JFK edged Nixon out in an election marked by massive > incidents of voter fraud, a South Carolina Democrat congressman told a > Nixon staff member, "You Republicans had better learn that unless you > win big, we'll steal it from you." > Hello again, kattracks. Another quality post. No, it's not incredible that > Janet Reno has blocked attempts to stop vote fraud. She has covered > up for the misconduct of her fellow Democrats at every opportunity. > Here in Illinois, where the Daley political machine is alive and kicking in > Chicago, legions of undead walk the streets to vote for Democrats every > Election Day. We learned our lesson back in 1960, the hard way: if we > don't win big, they will steal it from us. > 21 Posted on 10/25/2000 00:02:59 PDT by Bryan > http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39f65c7f25ff.htm > *** > Seymour Hersh, in the book "The dark side of Camelot" has effectively > demonstrated, that the Kennedy presidency came about as the result of > vote fraud. > *** > Kennedy won the general election, narrowly defeating the Republican > candidate, Vice President Richard M. Nixon, by a margin of 118,550 out of > some 70 million votes cast. Many observers, then and since, believed vote > fraud contributed to Kennedy's victory, especially in the critical state of > Illinois, where Joe Kennedy enlisted the help of the ever-powerful Richard J. > Daley, mayor of Chicago. > http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/5/0,5716,46135+3,00.html > *** > "Daley Delivery? The 1960 presidential contest between Democrat John > F. Kennedy and Republican Richard M. Nixon also raised the specter > of vote fraud in the key states of Illinois (27 electoral votes) and Texas > (24 votes), both of which JFK is said to have narrowly won. Kennedy > bested Nixon in the nationwide popular vote by a razor-thin margin of > 118,574 (out of more than 68.8 million cast). In the all-important > Electoral College, he received 303 votes to Nixon's 219, with 269 > required to win. Had Nixon carried both Illinois and Texas, he would > have eked out a 270-vote Electoral College victory. Sabato and > Simpson write, "Strong suspicions exist that the Illinois electoral votes > were stolen for Kennedy by Mayor Richard J. Daley, who late on > election night magically produced just enough of a massive margin in > Chicago to overcome Nixon's large lead in the rest of the state." That > 319,000-vote advantage in Chicago enabled Kennedy to win statewide > by a vote of 8,858 out of more than 4.7 million cast. Likewise, in Texas > "substantial voter fraud may well have occurred, though it is impossible > to say whether fraud accounted for Kennedy's entire 46,242-vote > majority out of over 2.3 million votes cast." > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no21/vo12no21_vote.ht > m > *** > > The Daley Machine is still alive and well under the control of > Daley's son. > > Oh, I forgot to mention Philadelphia: > "In Philadelphia, I understand, the numbers are laughable. The population is > less than 1.3 million and there are 1 million registered voters, which implies > there are almost no children and all the adults are civic-minded. The turnout > was 70% on November 7, with some black precincts reporting 100% > turnout...The explanation I get from Republicans who live there is that there > are so few Republicans in the black community that all the precinct > workers are Democrats, which makes it easy for voting "irregularities" to > appear. I've spoken to a few black political leaders I know who tell me they > are not surprised, that "irregularities" may occur whenever one party is so > concentrated in an election district. It's hard for them to argue with these > numbers." > http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/12-06-00.html > > http://www.citizenvoices.com/news/fraud0715.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > When they starved the children of Iraq, I didn't > protest, because I wasn't an Iraqi ... When they > bombed Yugoslavia and turned it into a toxic waste > dump for its people, I didn't protest, because I > wasn't a Serb ... But, by then, it was TOO LATE when-- > - Das Goat > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > ========== > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! 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