<tt>From:</tt> <tt> "Dan Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></tt> <br><br> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Brian Downing Quig</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 30, 2000 2:48 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CIA-DRUGS] WERE JEWISH BANKERS AROUND HITLER AND STALIN?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Dan Russell, <P>I hope you have read the book OUR CROWD about the J. P. Morgan social set in New York City. They were all Jewish and all from Frankfort Germany and they all went on to become the federal reserve families. When all the marriges are examined it is clear that it is all one family after all. Were these easily stated Jewish families involved in the greatest financial conspiracies of their time? With no doubt. Did they represent or act for the benefit of other Jews? <P><FONT face=Palatino>Why this fixation on the Jews? Some bankers are Jewish, most are not. JP Morgan wasn't Jewish. Rockefeller? Carnegie? Morgan? Dulles? Bush? Schroeder? Krupp? Ford? Banking is driven by industrial power, not ethnicity. Did the German Lutheran bankers act for the benefit of the American Lutherans they machine-gunned to death on D-Day? I don't think Lutheranism figured in the equation at all. </FONT> <P><STRONG><FONT face=Palatino>This, of yours, is empirical: </FONT></STRONG><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>"The answer was coercion. Persecution of poor Jews began in Russia and Germany and laws were enacted in foreign countries like the United States to restrict Jewish immigration. There was little choice for most but to immigrate to Israel. And so a quazi European military surrogate state was formed that militarily could stand alone against the combined military force of the region and win. The oil was militarily protected." </STRONG></FONT><FONT face=Palatino>Simplistic, oil is not the only factor in that equation, but yeah, if you're talking about living through a red hot war, you're gonna deal with whatever power is on the ground, or under it, and that is certainly both militarily and economically predictable and exploitable.</FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>"This makes some sense out of the glaring fact that the bankers around Hitler and Stalin were Jewish.Now if we could more closly examine this curious point. In light of Jewish persecution by both Hitler and Stalin - -- were there a surprising number of Jewish bankers around these men?" </STRONG></FONT><FONT face=Palatino>Name five around Hitler - a not very surprising number. I mean specifically, by bank and function, around Hitler. Bet all you can come up with is a Jewish ancestor. <FONT face=Palatino>Uh oh, another Jewish conspiracy. </FONT>What a fixation. </FONT> <P><FONT face=Palatino>Listen, redneck, generalizations are a way to avoid having to be specific. Hitler and Stalin don't bunch. They weren't allies. They fought the biggest land war in history. Menachem Begin, who served time in Stalin's gulag, lost his parents to Hitler, not Stalin. He said that that was precisely what was better about Stalin's gulag than Hitler's. Because in Stalin's gulag, he wasn't there because he was Jewish. It was a fully integrated gulag. Just like banking itself, a fully integrated industry. You seem to have a problem with that. Money drives banking, Einstein, not ethnicity, as Catherine, and John Loftus and Mark Aarons, and I in my reply to Catherine, said. I don't accuse you of dishonesty. I think your fixation is genuine. Wish I could help you with your identity problems. </FONT> <P>Dan Russell<BR><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A><BR><A href="http://www.kalyx.com">www.kalyx.com</A> <P> <P> <P> <P>Dan Russell wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><TT>From:</TT> <TT>"Dan Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></TT>Look, JP & Brian, especially JP - as you know, I share much of your political distress about the descent of our country into drug-financed military fascism. You are allies. But these words you are using, Ashkenazim and Sephardim, are as general a terminology as "East European" or "West European." You seem to be refering to a few Machiavellian families. So be it. Tell me who they are and what they've done. I would be grateful for the information. But I am as Ashkenazi as anyone - I am the grandson and great grandson, time out of mind, of Levite rabbis, on both sides of my family. Most of the NYC Jews I grew up with are Ashkenazim. If you want to identify these Machiavellian families, who made ruthless political use of a vulnerable population, please do. But do so by name, time and place, demonstrating real research - practice real empirical historiography. A few of the bankers around Hitler may have been there in the early thirties, in the wake of Weimar, but "the bankers around Hitler" were not Jewish. This is unempirical and demonstrates profound scholarly laziness. Talking about "the Ashkenazim," when in fact you are talking about a few families or a very small medieval Turkish community, is as ignorant as talking about "the Africans" or "the Europeans," and demonstrates no real research whatever. It's like listening to someone who's never smoked pot, or even talked to a real anthropologist, tell us all about pot and its historical uses. There never was a black ruling elite in Turkey. The medieval Turks traded Blacks as slaves on a massive scale. And, JP, you have never studied the Ashkenzim in depth (a very, very difficult undertaking requiring not only fluent Hebrew, but fluent Greek, and profound mathematical erudition), so how would you be able to predict amazement? What the hell is a "kaballah halfbreed"? Do you know anything about the kaballah, aside from the name? Have you got a lick of Hebrew? Can you read Greek phonetically? Do you know anything about the tradition you are discussing? Ashkenazim number in the millions. Your advisor? How bout Webster's Third International Dictionary. Look up Ashkenazim. Then Sephardim.Dan Russell <BR><A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> <BR><A href="http://www.kalyx.com">www.kalyx.com</A> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>JP Viken</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 06, 2000 1:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Secret War Against the Jews by Loftus & Aarons</DIV> <TT>From:</TT> <TT>"JP Viken" <<A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>></TT> <P> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT size=-1>Brian, exceedingly insightful and conforms to what I was taught about the ashke<B>nazi</B>. My advisor told me these were the kaballah halfbreeds linked to turkey and that they served as hofjuden (court jews, money managers and managers) for the royalty. Their main goal>>>work up their way to the top and acceptance by the black nobility. Then persecute and eliminate the traditional and orthodox real jews in the death camps--and use this as a false guise to gain sympathy and manipulate to get more power. You would be simply amazed if you studied the ashkenazi in depth. I know someone that has and its a very dramatic story involving venice, the vatican "the city", raising up a madman to be the fuehrer etc., etc.</FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Brian Downing Quig</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:40 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Secret War Against the Jews by Loftus & Aarons</DIV> <TT>From:</TT> <TT>Brian Downing Quig <<A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>></TT> <P>The family motto of the Rothschilds has always been: <P><FONT color=#000099><FONT size=+1>THE BEST TIME TO MAKE MONEY IS WHEN BLOOD FLOWS IN THE STREETS.</FONT></FONT> <P>And paradoxically Jews have been among the most aggrieved victims of the mascinations of the Rothschilds. According to the Talmud a Jew must help another Jew when asked three times before he can refuse. Now how do you think the Rothschilds viewed poor Jews? <P>I believe that the "monolithic Jewish conspiracy" is foul propaganda put out by the Rothschilds themselves. By lumping all Jews into their conspiracy they manage to hide themselves. The Rothschilds have always been closer to the Vatican. <P>Now if I may reconstruct the history that is taught in high schools and universities a bit it may shed some light on this paradox. <P>In the year 1900 John D. Rockefller owned 90% of the world's known oil supplies. Then the Rothschilds and the Nobel brothers brought in the massive reserves in what would soon become the USSR which were and still are far greater than Rockfeller's stake. <P>The Rothschilds had a problem with defending their oil reserves as there were no indigenous people with the required administrative skills. Their answer was to stimulate European immigration to this part of the world. One problem was that Europeans did not want to go there. The answer was coercion. Persecution of poor Jews began in Russia and Germany and laws were enacted in foreign countries like the United States to restrict Jewish immigration. There was little choice for most but to immigrate to Israel. And so a quazi European military surrogate state was formed that militarily could stand alone against the combined military force of the region and win. The oil was militarily protected. <P>This makes some sense out of the glaring fact that the bankers around Hitler and Stalin were Jewish. <P>But oh what a price common Jews paid and continue to pay! The reason for all this tight surveillance of all Jewish organizations no doubt is aimed at preventing Jews from figuring this out. <P>That is quite a bit different from what is taught in high school. <P>Brian Downing Quig <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <P>Loftus and Aarons sources indicate that for the last 50 <BR>years virtually every Jewish citizen organization and charity in the world <BR>have been the victim of electronic surveillance by Great Britan, with the <BR>knowing and willing assistance of the intelligence services of the United <BR>States. <P>What an explosive admission this is!! <P>Brian Quig <P>Catherine Austin Fitts wrote: <P>> From: "Catherine Austin Fitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> <BR>> Below are some of the additions that I wanted us to distill from Loftus and <BR>> Aarons book. They do a marvelous job of helping us understand the importance <BR>> of sunshine and how government manipulates on behalf of elites by <BR>> ommissions, lies and all manner of twisting disclosure policy and practice. <BR>> <BR>> The Dulles role in building custodian accounts to an art form can be seen in <BR>> both this book and Simpsons. That needs to be on the list of laws that have <BR>> to go. <BR>> <BR>> ============================================================================ <BR>> =============================== <BR>> FROM <BR>> <BR>> The War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People, <BR>> John Loftus and Mark Aarons, St. Martins Press, 1994 <BR>> <BR>> POSSIBLE QUOTES FOR THE WEBSITE/SOLARI DATABANK <BR>> <BR>> Omission is the most powerful form of lie. <BR>> --George Orwell <BR>> <BR>> I know that you believe what you are telling me is the truth but I cannot <BR>> believe it. <BR>> ---U.S. Supreme Court Justice <BR>> Felix Frankfurter's reply to a eyewitness's description of <BR>> Auchwitz in 1943 <BR>> <BR>> Fuck the Jews....they won't vote for us anyway. <BR>> ---Hon. James Baker, Secretary of State, 1992 <BR>> <BR>> P. 129 <BR>> <BR>> (Speaking of the many retired intelligence officers who assisted their <BR>> research) Their complicity of silence was essential to the continued illegal <BR>> conduct by their own governments. The conflict between what the state said <BR>> in public and what it did in private drove many to acts of desperation. Some <BR>> became defectors......some became whistle-blowers...Most are self-condemned <BR>> to the worst alternative of all. They live in Dante's Inferno, in the <BR>> Seventh Circle of Hell, the place reserved for those who had the ability to <BR>> prevent evil but did nothing. <BR>> <BR>> P. 9 <BR>> <BR>> The result of this combined negligence of the media and public instiutions <BR>> has been shameful indeed. It does not matter whether we are talking about <BR>> the savings and loan scandal or the arms race or the intelligence wars <BR>> against Israel. The fact remains that our politicians have developed the <BR>> cover up into an art form. We simply do not know what our civil servants are <BR>> ordered to do because their political masters have classified the truth <BR>> about their activities. Sometimes although we are reluctant to admit it we <BR>> do elect crooks to high office. Crooked politicians and the intelligence <BR>> services make a dangerous combination. <BR>> <BR>> Classified crime is the hardest to prosecute even before the bar of history. <BR>> We are a little reluctant to attempt to probe into those dark corners where <BR>> oil and espionage mix. Even with the help of so many sources of information <BR>> the subject matter is so complex that we wondered how it could be organized <BR>> into a readable form. One intelligence officer turned art teacher suggested <BR>> a useful approach. <BR>> <BR>> He displayed a color slide of an abstract sculpture. The piece was over six <BR>> feet tall of metal branches all intertwined. There were harsh angles jagged <BR>> pieces fire-scored surfaces. It was, to all appearances a random column of <BR>> ugliness. Hardly the model for a book. "Look at the holes." Inside the <BR>> twisted sculpture was an orderly pattern of smooth ovals, arranged in <BR>> perfect balance, making sense of the whole. <BR>> <BR>> That became the intellectual model for this book. Known history is like the <BR>> visible surface of the sculpture, a series of harsh, twisted seemingly <BR>> unconnected branches. The hidden parts of history, the covert sides are more <BR>> orderly and rational, but can be seen and understood only if you are told <BR>> where to look. The holes in history are what make sense of the thing. the <BR>> hidden motives secret agendas classified purposes: All these tell the why of <BR>> human events. In order to understand the "what" of modern Israel and its <BR>> context in the harsh twisted annals of the Middle East it is necessary to <BR>> identify the holes in the history books. The holes are the unwritten history <BR>> of covert operations, the classified ommissions that make up The Secret War <BR>> Against the Jews. <BR>> <BR>> P.13 <BR>> <BR>> It is amazing how much secret information is sitting in a public archive or <BR>> library, once someone tells you where to look. <BR>> <BR>> p. 14 <BR>> <BR>> Bigotry alone is too easy an answer. Anit-Semitism may have been the seed of <BR>> the Holocaust but the rapid spread of genocide and the multinational <BR>> charachter of the victims suggest that too many history books have missed <BR>> something: the root of all racism. This says one American intelligence <BR>> officer is money. Greed is the secret connection beneath the soil of racial <BR>> politics that permits patches of bigotry to spread across the landscape. <BR>> <BR>> "Forget the ideology. Trace the money: said one of the "old spies." Instead <BR>> of exploring the philosophical underpinnings of communism and facism our <BR>> source suggested that we examine the isssue of who profits from genocide. <BR>> <BR>> P. 128 <BR>> <BR>> If we are to keep future generations safe we must first teach them the <BR>> perils of ignorance. Then we must show them how to fight evil by exposing <BR>> it. They must not continue the awful silence of pervious generations. We <BR>> must teach what Sol Shnadow told his children before he died. It was his <BR>> most important lesson, his most enduring legacy: "You should never be afraid <BR>> to speak the truth." <BR>> <BR>> P. 514 <BR>> <BR>> SOLARI CHRONOLOGY ADDITIONS <BR>> <BR>> 1926 Alan Dulles joins Sullivan & Cromwell, after leaving the State <BR>> Department. <BR>> <BR>> October 1942 The US Government charges Prescott Bush (father of George H. W. <BR>> Bush) with runnning Nazi front groups in the US. Under the Trading with the <BR>> Enemy Act all the shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized <BR>> including those held by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemy <BR>> nationals. Union Banking was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman and <BR>> Bush handled the Harriman accounts as well. <BR>> <BR>> 1972 As Chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1972-74, Bush may <BR>> have been one of those who knew that there was something politically <BR>> explosive about the Vatican-Nazi connection especially as it applied to the <BR>> Croatians. The Croatian connection to Republican electioneering was no minor <BR>> scandal....The Croatian Nazis reached into the very heart of the Republican <BR>> party's 1972 campaign to reelect Richard Nixon. <BR>> <BR>> 1975 The Rockefeller Commmision into CIA abuses is formed. Rockefeller <BR>> certainly knew all the old Nazi connections having counterblackmailed <BR>> Ben-Gurion at the time ofthe UN Debate about the partition of Palestine. In <BR>> 1947 Rockefeller had been able to keep the Nazi scandal under control, and <BR>> except for the occasional leak, it had stood up ever since. But by 1975 his <BR>> damage control operation was floundering. In December, Bush was brought back <BR>> in to become head of the CIA, given his previous experience of protecting <BR>> the Agency from the Watergate scandals. <BR>> <BR>> 1981 After Reagan-Bush are in office the budget of the US National Archives <BR>> is cut to the bone allegedly in the interests of economy. Some grumble that <BR>> it is in the interest of government secrecy. <BR>> <BR>> 1981 The SEC inadvertantly destroys all the records of Permargo and Zapata <BR>> for the period between 1960 and 1966. The destruction occured shortly after <BR>> Bush was sworn in as Vice President. Seven years later, in 1988 <BR>> The Nation magazine stumbled across an FBI memorandum dated November 29 1963 <BR>> reporting that Mr George Bush of teh CIA had been briefed about the reaction <BR>> of the Cuban exile community to the assasination of President Kennedy. The <BR>> Nation added that a "source with close connections to the intelligence <BR>> community confirms that Bush started working for the agency in 1960 or 1961 <BR>> using his oil business as a cover for clandestine operations. The Nation's <BR>> allegations that Bush's oil business worked for the CIA in 1960 matches <BR>> Barron's description of the timeframe for Bush's creation of Permago. <BR>> Permago was a mexican venture created to ensure that Bush could continue to <BR>> do business in Mexico in a manner that would cicumvent the new national <BR>> companies only rule in 1959, which appears to have been done without the <BR>> shareholders of Zapata's knowledge and which appears to have been a loss for <BR>> them. <BR>> <BR>> 1985 Jonathan Pollard, an American intelligence officer passes on routine <BR>> shipping information to Israel. Pollard's concern is to watch out for <BR>> terrorist arms trafficking. Pollard passes a tip to the Israelis about <BR>> unusual shipping patterns from Greece to Yemen, where the PLO had a major <BR>> base. The Israelis check it out with Interpol and their West German sources <BR>> and then tip off the Greek authorities to seize an entire shipload of arms <BR>> destined for the PLO. Neither Pollard nor the government of Israel was aware <BR>> that they had smashed George Bush's first shipment of arms to Iran. The <BR>> British secret service had arranged teh Greek shimplemnt to ransom American <BR>> hostages in Lebanon. Pollard, in 1985, receives a 45 year jail sentance on <BR>> charges of espionage for tipping of Israel in an effort to prevent arms <BR>> shipments from reaching the PLO. <BR>> <BR>> 1990 President Bush asks Attorney General to grant Secretary of State Jim <BR>> Baker a secret waiver from the federal conflict of interest law, as Baker's <BR>> personal investments in oil interests were so extensive that that he may <BR>> have been violating the law by having any influence on Middle East policy. <BR>> <BR>> 1994 Admiral Bobby Ray Inman withdraws his name from nomination for <BR>> Secretary of Defense. Inman blames, among others, collusion amoung Safire of <BR>> the Times and Dole in a campaign against him. Safire speculates that the <BR>> reason for his withdrawal may be different. There may be a skeleton in <BR>> Admiral Inman's closet...Inman may have misled Congress in 1977 as director <BR>> of NSA regarding access of British intelligence to bug American <BR>> communications...Loftus and Aarons sources indicate that for the last 50 <BR>> years virtually every Jewish citizen organization andcharity in the world <BR>> have been the victim of electronic surveillance by Great Britan, with the <BR>> knowing and willing assistance of the intelligence services of the United <BR>> States. <BR>> <BR>> SOLARI INFORMATION SOURCES <BR>> <BR>> In addition to Loftus and Aaron's book, add: <BR>> <BR>> The Splendid Blond Beast: Money, Law, and Genocied in the 20th Century, <BR>> Christopher Simpson, Common Courage Press, 1995 <BR>> <BR>> The Gods of Eden, William Bramley, Avon Books, 1989 <BR>> <BR><BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> <hr> <!-- begin ONElist Sponsor --> <center> <iframe width=468 height=60 noresize scrolling=no frameborder=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 src="http://adforce.imgis.com/?adiframe|2.0|2|82050|1|1|ADFORCE;"> <a href="http://adforce.imgis.com/?adlink|2.0|2|82050|1|1|misc=7734;loc=300;" target=_top><img src="http://adforce.imgis.com/?adserv|2.0|2|82050|1|1|misc=7734;loc=300;" border=0 width=468 height=60 alt="ONElist Sponsor"></a> </iframe> <br><font size=1>Please click above to support our sponsor</font><br> </center> <!-- end ONElist Sponsor --> <hr>
