-Caveat Lector- .............................................................. >From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: RUMORS OF WAR?] Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 4:54 PM Hi Lloyd, This might be of interest. It fits in with your posts to CTRL. Enjoy. Alice --- Charles Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:36:26 -0500 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Voss) > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Fwd: RUMORS OF WAR?] > > Dear Brethren, > Here is just another case of how precarious is world peace. Our > nations of Israel were so very close to war. This shows that the > Time of Jacob's Trouble could strike an unsuspecting Israel with out > warning at any given moment. The sad part is that our people are > totally unaware of the cause of our situation and how far we have > drifted from our CREATOR. We invite you to visit our web site at > <http://www.uhcg.org> and give us you opinions. > May our CREATOR grant peace and understanding, > Charles y > ====================================== > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RUMORS OF WAR? > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:27:31 -0700 > From: MICHAEL TURNER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: ALLYALL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On the Verge Of WW3 - > And You Weren't Even Told! > > Thermonuclear World War III was moments from breaking out on the > weekend of Aug. 12-13, after the sinking of the Russian nuclear > submarine Kursk -- and you, the American people, were never > informed, as a result of a "wartime" blackout and total silence on > secret war-avoidance diplomacy imposed by the White House. > > But it is the Anglo-American financial oligarchy, grown desperate > and hysterical over the imminent demise of their power in the world > financial collapse -- not some "Seven Days in May" military putsch > apparatus -- that is the driving force behind the push for war, > including the thermonuclear brinksmanship in the Arctic waters of > the Barents Sea. Lyndon LaRouche spelled it out in an Aug. 20 > statement reading in part: > > "At this point, no miracle could save the present IMF-centered > global financial and monetary system from collapse in the immediate > future. The system is doomed, hopelessly so. That is the good news. > The bad news is, that the presently ruling international > financier-oligarchy will not willingly accept its inevitable doom > peacefully. That oligarchy, as self-caricatured by the present > editorial staff of the Wall Street Journal, is as mad as Lady > Macbeth. > > "Under these circumstances, every crisis-spot in the world, inside > the USA itself, in the Americas generally, in Africa, and in Eurasia > generally, is the site of a local political firestorm either in > flames, or about to erupt. It is not the tinder of the local > hot-spot which causes this phenomenon; it is, rather, the heat of > the global crisis of the financial system which seeks out, and tends > to ignite all available tinder, such as the case of the sinking of > the Kursk. In this state of affairs, those firestorms tend to come > together, threatening an early global conflagration of awesome, but > otherwise unpredictable, intensity, duration, and consequence." > LaRouche's statement was issued several days {before} the Russian > government, in "leaks" and official statements, confirmed that > nuclear war had hung in the balance Aug. 12-13. > > What We Know > > While American and European media have jumped the gun in attributing > the Kursk sinking to onboard explosions, probably caused by a > battery fire or torpedo detonation, the preponderance of evidence in > fact suggests that the Kursk collided with another vessel -- a U.S. > or British submarine, or drone vehicle--or, in the extreme case, was > possibly hit by a torpedo. > > Even now, details of the near-miss strategic showdown have largely > been kept out of the Western media, despite publicized, detailed > statements by senior Russian government and military officials, > including Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev, and an Aug. 22 Pravda.ru > story with the bold headline, > > "World War III Could Have Begun on Saturday." > > In an Aug. 21 interview with Russian ORT TV, Sergeyev reported that > at roughly 6 p.m. Moscow time Aug. 12, Gen. Popov, Commander of > Russia's Northern Fleet, was informed that the submarine Kursk had > failed to establish a communication link during Barents Sea > maneuvers in which it was involved. A search-and-rescue mission was > immediately launched, and early sonar data showed {two} vessels > lying at the bottom of the Barents Sea. It took approximately 24 > hours, until Sunday evening, Aug. 13, for the Kursk to be located, > and by that time, according to Sergeyev, the second vessel, presumed > to be a foreign submarine, was gone from the area. > > The Kursk, with a crew of 118 sailors and officers, was found at the > bottom of the Sea. Most of the crew were instantly killed in what > Russian officials are all but certain was a collision with the > second vessel. On Aug. 21, the Russian news agency Interfax reported > that Russian rescue workers had found a fragment of a submarine, > "most likely British," near the Kursk. This followed earlier reports > that emergency buoys, also identified as British, were seen floating > near the collision site. > > Then came the Aug. 22 Pravda.ru story: "On Saturday, Aug. 12, an > incident occurred in the Barents Sea, where the Russian Federation's > Northern Fleet was conducting exercises, which nearly led to the > outbreak of full-scale combat -- a third world war .... For several > days the world hung by a thread, and one false political move could > have led to an exchange of nuclear strikes." > > Citing hydroacoustical evidence of 3 explosions, "indicating the > possibility that the Kursk had suffered a torpedo attack." Pravda.ru > described the incident as a possible "casus belli", but concluded, > "Happily, the incident in the Barents Sea was successfully resolved > by political means. Agreement to `end the affair in peace' was > reached during a telephone conversation between Vladimir Putin and > Bill Clinton. The Presidents' conversation lasted 25 minutes, and > nothing of its content was reported in the mass media." > > And in the West > > A handful of Western journalists have made sane comments about the > Kursk, but only a handful. On Aug. 22, John Helmer, a Moscow-based > journalist who writes frequently for the Journal of Commerce and the > Moscow Times, wrote in the Singapore-based Straits Times that "the > Russian sub drama looked like war at the start." Dismissing the > harsh Western media criticism of President Putin, who remained at > the "vacation Kremlin" at Sochi, Helmer wrote, "If you were the > ruler of Russia, and you were told late one night that one of your > most powerful and secret submarine weapons had been hit by a > mysterious explosion, and sent to the bottom without word from the > crew, would it be prudent for you to suspect an attack? An attack by > a nuclear superpower and old rival? And if it is your sworn duty to > defend your country from attack, would it be reasonable for you to > determine whether there was a cause for war, or an accident?" > > Pearl Harbor Effect? > > Lyndon LaRouche observed Aug. 21 that the desperate maneuverings by > the Anglo-American financial oligarchy, to destroy Russia's > remaining strategic military capabilities through the wild actions > in the Barents Sea, and render Russia vulnerable to even more > voracious raw-materials looting by Anglo-American cartels, would not > work. He warned that the Russians, moving with care and > deliberation, would respond with a "counter-scare" strategy. There > are already signs that Putin, far from being destabilized by the > Kursk attack, is in the process of greatly strengthening his > support. > > On Aug. 22, Putin traveled to the headquarters of the Northern > Fleet, to hold a six-hour open session with the relatives of the > sailors killed on the Kursk. He vowed to get to the bottom of the > tragedy. Next day, in a nationwide TV address, he repeated the > message. Reports from Russia suggest his actions have earned him > broad public support which could backfire against the Russian > tycoon-owned media which joined NATO media in pillorying him. > > Also noteworthy is Putin's growing alliance with former Prime > Minister Yevgeni Primakov, who on Aug. 23 delivered a strongly > worded statement warning the West and the tycoons not to try to > exploit the near-war crisis. As the Anglo-American oligarchy's > efforts to obliterate Russia as a military adversary were failing, > the global financial crisis, the driver for the war dynamic, was > accelerating. That will send the oligarchs on another war tear. > Until these fanatics are removed from influence, and their bankrupt > financial system put through a New Bretton Woods reorganization, the > threat of world war will not abate. 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