Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/08/2000 7:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120 Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan." "There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach [County]. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud . . . NOT Republican fraud or 'voter error' as publicized by the national media. Statistical evidence And don't forget that the forthcoming depression is the fault of the Clinton/Gore administration. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- On 9 Dec 2000, at 7:18, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: And don't forget that the forthcoming depression is the fault of the Clinton/Gore administration. Prudy Is it really only forthcoming? In any case, if Gore becomes president he'll get to claim it. You however, will no doubt be able to prove it was all caused by Calvin Coolidge. -- If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- kl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 9 Dec 2000, at 7:18, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: And don't forget that the forthcoming depression is the fault of the Clinton/Gore administration. Prudy Is it really only forthcoming? In any case, if Gore becomes president he'll get to claim it. You however, will no doubt be able to prove it was all caused by Calvin Coolidge. -- Not Clinton, Bush, or Coolidge. Depressions are caused by the Capitalist Economic Cycle. This one has been a little bit delayed because of globalization. The Rich have extracted about as much as they could from this extended cycle, and now the rest of us will have to take it in the neck. It's my speculation that this downturn will be the deathblow to Corporate Capitalism. I sincerely hope so. The world can't take much more of it. We'll see. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:41 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The Rich have extracted about as much as they could from this extended cycle, and now the rest of us will have to take it in the neck. It's my speculation that this downturn will be the deathblow to Corporate Capitalism. I sincerely hope so. The world can't take much more of it. We'll see. Joshua2 Well, they did it to us with gold back in the late 70's, and I think you are correct about it now. I would bet that, if we could dig out the facts, we would see that the top cats have shifted their money to a safe place already. All that is left are the smaller fish greedily trading the empty shells around. I could be wrong. Jayson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- Here's a different perspective: NewsMax.com Wires Saturday, Dec. 2, 2000 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (UPI) - Al Gore's refusal to concede to President-elect Bush is causing a flood of Democrats to switch to the Republican Party. The Duval County Supervisor of Elections office has been busy since Election Day signing up new voters and helping registrants change parties, WJXT-TV of Jacksonville reported Friday. Clerks said they have never seen anything like it after any other presidential election. Many people are registering to vote for the first time. Many have said they did not realize before this election that their vote could really count. Assistant Supervisor of Elections Dick Carlsberg said he talked to the clerks in the office and they told him, "There's been a definite surge in party affiliation changes, and it's been from Democrat to Republican." Rest of story at A HREF="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/12/1/215240.shtml" http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/12/1/215240.shtml/A "Gore is about as easy to sell as a menthol hemorrhoid preparation." --Tony Snow A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Dec 2000, at 4:37, Bob Stokes wrote: Assistant Supervisor of Elections Dick Carlsberg said he talked to the clerks in the office and they told him, "There's been a definite surge in party affiliation changes, and it's been from Democrat to Republican." The same thing is happening in Oklahoma, according to local news outlets. -- While his legal case remains alive, it is worth contemplating the audacity of Gore's election-stealing scheme. --Michael Barone A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/00 7:08:08 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Assistant Supervisor of Elections Dick Carlsberg said he talked to the clerks in the office and they told him, "There's been a definite surge in party affiliation changes, and it's been from Democrat to Republican." The same thing is happening in Oklahoma, according to local news outlets. I suspect in the long-term we'll see the opposite: registered Democrats going out to vote in record numbers. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Dec 2000, at 9:53, Samantha L. wrote: I suspect in the long-term we'll see the opposite: registered Democrats going out to vote in record numbers. Samantha In some places, notably Chicago and South Florida, they already vote several times each. --- The Democrats: the next third party. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- Bush Gore as well as their respective parties have plotted and connived to win the election by hook or crook. I hope people will remember this next election and vote for a third party, but four years from now most Americans won't remember a thing. It will probably be written in the history books as one of the greatest happenings in this "Democracy" since history really isn't the truth. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/00 10:33:46 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect in the long-term we'll see the opposite: registered Democrats going out to vote in record numbers. Samantha In some places, notably Chicago and South Florida, they already vote several times each. And your factual support for such a statement is..? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/08/2000 4:38:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Assistant Supervisor of Elections Dick Carlsberg said he talked to the clerks in the office and they told him, "There's been a definite surge in party affiliation changes, and it's been from Democrat to Republican. And a darned smart move. It's just possible that the rest of us will be rounded up and incarcerated. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
In a message dated 12/8/00 12:47:47 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In some places, notably Chicago and South Florida, they already vote several times each. And your factual support for such a statement is..? As a Chicagoan I think I must point out that your statement was and is so full of inane generalization that it's a shame...get a clue Bill.
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-Caveat Lector- Wow! Great article! I am so glad Samantha did ask you for this information. Anyone else note how the "crooked courts" are supposed to rule in Bush's favor because of their political ties? So now that they are NOT, does that mean they are ruling for Gore because they are ALL Democrats? I have read on this list over and over how the US Supremes are going to give Bush everything he wants, etc. but it is the FL Supremes who are re-writing the law as they go along. Guess that is not political--they just want a fair count of every Gore vote that can be manufactured and they just failed to fabricate enough with all those cameras watching. Let's do the whole state--they can't possibly film all counties counting at once! Amelia - Original Message - From: "kl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore -Caveat Lector- On 8 Dec 2000, at 13:47, Samantha L. wrote: And your factual support for such a statement is..? Samantha While it's no longer necessary for armies of the dead to travel from polling place to polling place, the same thing is accomplished now by dedicated party bosses who manufacture phantom votes for those who are no longer able to make it in to vote. And yes, I am aware that there is also Republican vote fraud, but the majority of it seems to occur in primaries and/or local elections - probably because they don't control enough punch-card precincts to get away with it on a national level, unlike the Democrats. The Votescam video shot in Miami showed the League of Women Voters using pencils to punch holes in the computer vote cards This coincided with evidence the Colliers had gleaned in Miami years earlier where they discovered that precinct captains had taken ballot cards home a week before elections to punch out a slate of candidates using an IBM Port-o-punch. This device could punch identical holes in a pad of 50 cards. The tweezers were used to pull out tabs that didn't "fall out" because the cards were packed together when they were punched. ...then-State Attorney in Miami, Janet Reno, ... As detailed in Votescam, when Attorney Ellis Rubin, appointed by the Miami Circuit Court, brought our evidence of vote fraud to Janet Reno in Dade County, she told Rubin that prosecution would bring down too many people, including judges and news media heads. *** "Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120 Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan." "There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach [County]. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud . . . NOT Republican fraud or 'voter error' as publicized by the national media. Statistical evidence cannot prove any single ballot was tampered with, nor show which individual tampered with any single ballot. It can show specific places and times and methods where the fraud was done. (For example, if 15,000 dollars are missing from the register the day after your cashier left on a Los Vegas vacation, there is no direct evidence that the cashier stole the money. If, however, 19,120 dollars are missing from the register the next year when the cashier again leaves for vacation in Los Vegas, one has reason to investigate the cashier closely.)" "ONLY Palm Beach County Florida voters seem incapable of understanding and using this style of ballot. Palm Beach County has an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY other county in the nation using paper punch ballots!" "ONLY in Palm Beach (and in ONLY the most heavily Democratic precincts) were 19,120 ballots rejected in 2000 for double punching. . . (This is a 4.4% error rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less than 1/2 of ONE percent 'double punch' error rate!" "ONLY in Palm Beach did this 'double punch' error happen ONLY in the Gore-Bush-Buchanan selections for President. (In a truly random 'error,' the mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate. In Palm Beach, the massive errors -- over 19,000 -- ONLY happened in the Presidential race.)" "ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 50 out of 67 counties in FL, the actual change in the recount was 5-7 votes, and in 63 out of 67 counties, the total change was less than 30 votes either way. Further, in 63 out of 67 counties the 'changes' were somewhat evenly divided between ALL the candidates, in rough proportion to the original number of votes. This is the statistically expected result, and represents a true and legal recount of the ballots without any change in the ballots themselves." "Palm Beach [County] had an error rate in favor of Gore more than 120 TIMES greater
