I've been very suspicious of Ian Goddard since he cowardly backed down from his position vis-a-vis TWA 800 about 18 months ago when interviewed by the mainstream media. He then resumed his position as if nothing had happened. Now he is telling us that the Waco FLIR footage are solar reflections when that scenario has been discounted by several experts. Edward Allard, Carlos Ghiglotti, a solar reflection report mentioned in "Waco: A New Revelation" and my own eyes. Goddard mentions the Vetor Data report which is worthless because they are not an independent company having close ties to the US government. <A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm">Was Vector Data Systems Bought Off by the BATF? [Free Republic]</A> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm According to Dave Hardy Carlos told him the protocols were wrong in the tests. <A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm">Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight</A> http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm "I talked to him after the (British firm's) recreation, and his assessment was that it was pure junk -- the aircraft wasn't even at the right altitude, they didn't have the right procedures to verify that the sensor was functioning comparable to the one of April 19 (1993). (He said) the best thing that could be done with any resulting tape -- and this is before the results were known -- was to drop it in the waste can. ... End quote. Ghigliotti, who studied the tapes for hundreds of hours was adamant about gunfire coming from government agents. Gavin. <A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm">Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight</A> Ghigliotti was hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tapes of the Waco siege. He made headlines last fall by confirming that government troops fired into the church on April 19, 1993. "I conclude this based on the ground view videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. "The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt." Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm Davidians repeatedly fired at FBI agents during the assault, though he noted return fire came from the building only on the occasions when government tanks actually penetrated or demolished the walls. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds. Goddards full of it. I e-mailed Goddard my remarks. Gavin Phillips. << From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Waco FLIR Reflections Date: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:26 AM NON-GUNSHOT CAUSE OF KEY WACO-FLIR FLASHES DISCOVERED The Vector Data Systems report made no effort to explain how multiple rapid flashes several times per second could occur in fixed locations on the ground as seen in the 1993 Waco FLIR tape, which multiple experts say are gunshots. Recently I proposed this rapid-flash reflection machine as a non-gunshot causal theory for those rapid flashes: http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir07.gif http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir03.htm That reflection machine rapidly vibrates a 1 by 3 foot reflective panel up and down several times per second, simulating key flash sequences on the 1993 Waco FLIR. It isn't likely that such a machine rested next to Mt Carmel! Shortly after proposing that reflective machine I realized a far more probable causal hypothesis for the rapid flashes: the reflective panel isn't being vibrated by a machine, but by the free gale-force winds blowing through the scene that day, and thus the panel is flapping like a flag in the wind. Hypothetical scenario: an infrared-reflecting surface like mylar is attached to a board and a loose edge is flapping in the wind with a cyclic "flap rate" identical to the cyclic rate of key flashes on the Waco FLIR. The flapping reflective surface produces a rapid series of flashes in one fixed location as seen by the FLIR camera, resolving the rapid-flash problem without a machine or a machinegun. My plan was to acquire mylar and staple a segment edge to a board with a strong fan on it and see if I might be able to film it causing rapid flashes of visible light (and thus presumably also of IR radiation). However, that's no longer necessary: I just acquired the best version of the 1993 Waco FLIR I've ever seen, it's dramatically better than the copy I've had. To my complete astonishment, on the better copy a flapping panel about 1 by 3 feet attached to a fallen-down portion of gym wall is visible IN THE EXACT LOCATION THAT THE MOST INFAMOUS SERIES OF FLASHES OCCUR AS THE FIRE STARTS! That flash series is emphasized by Dr. Edward Allard in both "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" and "Waco: A New Revelation." This flapping panel in the same location as those key flashes also produces flashes at other times during the hour before the fire. So it's clear to me that there's a flapping panel attached to a fallen board that creates an illusion of machinegun-fire as its moving surface causes a beam of reflected infrared energy to pass repeatedly over the FLIR sensor, just like the panel on the reflection machine I proposed http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir07.gif , except the panel next to Mt Carmel was powered by the wind. The existence of this flapping panel, or perhaps a segment of mylar, is not mentioned in the Vector Data report, which made no effort to explain the critical factor of the rapid, machinegun-like nature of the flashes on the 1993 Waco FLIR. I've come to the sobering conclusion, after analysis of (1) a newly-acquired 1993 Waco FLIR video, (2) gunshots seen in the Somalia FLIR shown on "Waco: A New Revelation" and (3) the Vector Data Report, that ALL of the flashes in question on the 1993 Waco FLIR can be shown to be or to most-probably be solar reflections, contradicting both my previously stated position and the conclusions of infrared experts that the gunshot theory has rested on. I'll shortly publish an illustrated webpage explaining this conclusion, which is supported in large by facts not covered in the Vector Data report, and thus shall not be repetitive, and shall address key FLIR issues of concern to Waco watchers. ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ Asking the "wrong questions," challenging the Official Story to subscribe send email with "subscribe" to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! 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