Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/3/01 9:39:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since it is safe and rational to assume that the ONLY military which used nuclear weapons to wipe out two entire cities for the purpose of propaganda does not really give a damn about human life, why are they pouring so much money into non-lethal weapons. You have a very warped view of history, but maybe that's the way our Statist government wants people to view WWII. Maybe they want to turn everyone into pacifists so we won't fight back when they try to enslave us totally. You seem to forget that the Japanese wiped out Pearl Harbor and murdered thousands of people both military and civilian. You seem to forget that we dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki telling the population to run for the hills because we were going to decimate their town if the Emperor didn't surrender. You also seem to forget the military is under civilian control; the President ordered the bombings. Just where do you get this hypothesis that the bombings of these two cities were propaganda? It was to prevent an invasion of Honshu which would have resulted in millions of deaths on both sides. I'm afraid that YOU are the one who has been mis-educated by the ' gubment'. There are several good sources from that era as well as more recent ones which make it quite clear that Roosevelt forced the Japanese to attack us so that he could get us into a war. Answer: To use domestically against civilians. All the more reason to be armed, to protect against such tyranny and governmental abuse, You are INSANE if you think you can stand up to the US Gov if it decides to take your guns, or anything else it wants to do to you. INSANE! but if you have your way we will be disarmed and helpless. You should learn that fabian socialism/communism/fascism's goals includes disarming of citizens so they will be helpless against the "Mother" State. Government is not your friend. Government is raw force that needs to be controlled, not set free to run amuck. I agree 1000%. But dead gun nuts will just create another health hazard as they lay rotting in the streets. Answer: To sell the technology to other countries for the same purpose. If we stop these weapons from being used successfully here, maybe other countries wouldn't want to buy these weapons to use against their own citizens. This is a very important point. We, as American citizens can do much to prevent the misery our economic and political systems are foisting upon the rest of the world. CONTROL YOUR ELITES! The second amendment is the most important part of the Constitution for the only defense against and armed force is a bigger armed force and the armed citizens of this country outnumber the military in overwhelming numbers at this time. Ridiculous. But Darwin has a way of dealing with people afflicted with ideological brain damage. Joshua2 Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/5/01 6:39:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm afraid that YOU are the one who has been mis-educated by the ' gubment'. There are several good sources from that era as well as more recent ones which make it quite clear that Roosevelt forced the Japanese to attack us so that he could get us into a war. During the time this was happening the general consensus of the US public was that Japan attacked the United States. They did not have the information that FDR goaded Japan to instigate a war. FDR also did not order the use of atomic weapons against Japan ... He was dead, Truman ordered the bombing. Nankato may have hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the revenge factor, which may have been the real reason the bombs were dropped. By saying the bombing was "propaganda" do you mean it was done to have other nations fear us because we had a weapon that was more devastating than any other nation had at the time? This I could believe. Answer: To use domestically against civilians. All the more reason to be armed, to protect against such tyranny and governmental abuse, J2 wrote: "You are INSANE if you think you can stand up to the US Gov if it decides to take your guns, or anything else it wants to do to you. INSANE!" No, not insane, I just want to protect what few rights I have left. You pro-confiscation people are highly misled. What if every Jew in Germany had been armed. Maybe the Nazi's would have been able to round them up eventually or kill them all while they were resisting, but the Nazi's would have paid a price. How about if the Russians were armed when all anti-Communists were rounded up and sent to the Gulag to die, would 20 million have died? And how about Red China when they rounded up their anti-Communists and murdered 20 million or so ... had they met with 20 million armed people ready to resist things would have been much different. Just because it hasn't happened here doesn't mean that it couldn't and some would say it has happened before and may be happening now, especially if you look at minorities - Indians, African-Americans, Japanese-Americans. but if you have your way we will be disarmed and helpless. You should learn that fabian socialism/communism/fascism's goals includes disarming of citizens so they will be helpless against the "Mother" State. Government is not your friend. Government is raw force that needs to be controlled, not set free to run amuck. I agree 1000%. But dead gun nuts will just create another health hazard as they lay rotting in the streets. I'm not a gun nut, but I can see the writing on the wall. I grew up in a home that had no guns at all and I myself didn't own a gun till I was 48 years old. I don't take it out and play with it, it is a tool, a very dangerous tool. Funny how the little piss-ant pro-confiscation nuts will never define what constitutes a gun nut. When this government tries to round me up because I'm an anticomminist/socialist/fascist I won't go like a lamb to the slaughter. Maybe I can only take out 2-3 of them, but if every gun owner does the same as I do, then there won't be any left to carry out the orders of the government elites and there will still be many gun owners left. Can't you see that removing guns from the public is a very high priority of the elites. Why else do you think they spread so much disinformation and outright lies about guns. Why do they insist that guns kill people and not the people using the gun? The gun is a tool and the person using the gun to kill an innocent person is the criminal. The government is so full of shit when they talk about the right to own a gun for hunting purposes, the second amendment was written to protect us from the tyranny of government. If you think that all the antigun propaganda isn't full of lies and distortions you should read the facts and not from Handgun Control Incorporated or the NRA (themselves an anti-second amendment group). The facts have been posted many times on this list with data from the justice department, FBI etc. - even the government can't hide the facts - they depend on people being too ignorant to think for themselves and look up the data. A good rule of thumb is that if the government wants it, you should be against it. The propaganda is raised every time there is a school shooting, so expect it to rise to new levels since this newest school shooting spree in Santana high school in Santee California. Funny that there were very few school shootings before there became this need to disarm (mid 1960's) law-abiding gun owners ... ever think about that? California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but all those laws didn't prevent this kid from shooting up the high school. Could an armed teacher have stopped this kid? Maybe another couple of dozen laws would have prevented this tragedy ... not hardly. J2 wrote: "This is a very
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- John Cone wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Synopsis) You have a very warped view of history. You seem to forget that the Japanese wiped out Pearl Harbor and murdered thousands of people both military and civilian. Just where do you get this hypothesis that the bombings of these two cities were propaganda? It was to prevent an invasion of Honshu which would have resulted in millions of deaths on both sides." ___ Nakano comments: A few historical facts. Franklin Roosevelt ran as the "peace candidate" in the 1940 election. He said: "I have said it before, and I say it again and againI am not about to send your sons to fight and die in another European war." The American People were strongly against the U.S. entering World War 2. Something dramatic and shocking was needed to turn public opinion around. In about June of 1941 Roosevelt halted U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Denial of a strategic resource) Japan has no oil of its own. They were getting about half of their imports from the U.S. when FDR cut off their supply. That same summer or early fall, Roosevelt closed the Panama Canal to Japanese ships. The U.S. had guaranteed canal access to all nations, but FDR ignored that promise. In November of 1941, Roosevelt gave Japan an ultimatum to get their military forces out of Manchuria. Roosevelt was shoving and pushing Japandaring the Japanese to take a swing at us. They finally did on December 7th, 1941. Indeed it was a "day of infamy". 2,500 U.S. military personnel died in the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were sacrificed by Roosevelt in order to reverse public opinion about America entering the war. It worked. In 1 day, the American People went from 80 percent opposed to the warto demanding that the U.S. declare war. An entire generation of young American men lined up at the draft board offices to enlist. So much for the so-called "unprovoked sneak-attack". As for the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. It was unnecessary. Nor would an invasion of Japan been necessary. The Japanese navy was on the bottom of the ocean. Every Japanese city of any consequence was in ruins. More people were killed in the conventional firebomb raids on Tokyo than were killed at either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. American naval and airpower had Japan in an inescapable stranglehold. Japan is an island nation lacking in many resources such as iron ore, coal, and oil. All we had to do was keep Japan encircled and wait. The surrender was inevitable. Instead, we became the only nation in history to use atomic weapons against another country. Truman ordered those bombs dropped on an already beatenand virtually defenseless people. The fact is, not a single japanese aircraft rose in the sky to challenge the Enola Gay B-29 that dropped the bomb. They were helpless and we bombed them anyway. Nakano Ditto. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- 3/3/01 Since it is safe and rational to assume that the ONLY military which used nuclear weapons to wipe out two entire cities for the purpose of propaganda does not really give a damn about human life, why are they pouring so much money into non-lethal weapons. Answer: To use domestically against civilians. Answer: To sell the technology to other countries for the same purpose. Joshua2 Picture: http://uk.fc.yahoo.com/010302/80/b947l.htm U.S. military developing new "non-lethal" weapon Friday March 2, 04:00 AM http://uk.news.yahoo.com/010302/80/b93ut.html WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has said it is developing a new non-lethal weapon which uses electromagnetic energy to cause a burning sensation on the skin and turn back enemy troops from long range. Officials said the "millimetre-wave" pulses, which might one day be fired from a dish- shaped device similar to a radar, could be mounted on military jeeps and possibly be used in peacekeeping and cases where innocent civilians are mixed with enemy troops. "In conflicts, targeted adversaries are expected to simply flee," the Marine Corps said of the new weapon. After 10 years and $40 million in research by the corps and the Air Force, the Marines said at a briefing for reporters that pulses from the weapon travel at the speed of light to penetrate less than 1/64 of an inch into the skin, causing immediate discomfort like touching a hot light bulb. "Within seconds, an individual feels an intense heating sensation that stops when the transmitter is shut off or when the individual moves out of the beam," the corps added in a news release. "Despite the sensation, the technology does not cause injury because of the low energy levels used," it added. "The sensation is nearly identical to the sensation experienced by briefly touching an ordinary light bulb that has been left on for a while." The Marine Corps is managing the project for the military, but there has been no decision by the Defence Department to build or field the proposed weapon. The Marines said the beam weapon, which is being developed by the Marine Corps and Air Force in cooperation with defence firms, "causes a repellent response, but not physical damage to the body." "Research on this technology has shown there are no harmful health effects," the Marine Corps said. "The beam only needs to be on for a few seconds to achieve its purpose." Copyright 2001 Reuters Limited. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/3/01 9:39:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since it is safe and rational to assume that the ONLY military which used nuclear weapons to wipe out two entire cities for the purpose of propaganda does not really give a damn about human life, why are they pouring so much money into non-lethal weapons. You have a very warped view of history, but maybe that's the way our Statist government wants people to view WWII. Maybe they want to turn everyone into pacifists so we won't fight back when they try to enslave us totally. You seem to forget that the Japanese wiped out Pearl Harbor and murdered thousands of people both military and civilian. You seem to forget that we dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki telling the population to run for the hills because we were going to decimate their town if the Emperor didn't surrender. You also seem to forget the military is under civilian control; the President ordered the bombings. Just where do you get this hypothesis that the bombings of these two cities were propaganda? It was to prevent an invasion of Honshu which would have resulted in millions of deaths on both sides. Answer: To use domestically against civilians. All the more reason to be armed, to protect against such tyranny and governmental abuse, but if you have your way we will be disarmed and helpless. You should learn that fabian socialism/communism/fascism's goals includes disarming of citizens so they will be helpless against the "Mother" State. Government is not your friend. Government is raw force that needs to be controlled, not set free to run amuck. Answer: To sell the technology to other countries for the same purpose. If we stop these weapons from being used successfully here, maybe other countries wouldn't want to buy these weapons to use against their own citizens. The second amendment is the most important part of the Constitution for the only defense against and armed force is a bigger armed force and the armed citizens of this country outnumber the military in overwhelming numbers at this time. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- --- Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Synopsis) You have a very warped view of history. You seem to forget that the Japanese wiped out Pearl Harbor and murdered thousands of people both military and civilian. Just where do you get this hypothesis that the bombings of these two cities were propaganda? It was to prevent an invasion of Honshu which would have resulted in millions of deaths on both sides." ___ Nakano comments: A few historical facts. Franklin Roosevelt ran as the "peace candidate" in the 1940 election. He said: "I have said it before, and I say it again and againI am not about to send your sons to fight and die in another European war." The American People were strongly against the U.S. entering World War 2. Something dramatic and shocking was needed to turn public opinion around. In about June of 1941 Roosevelt halted U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Denial of a strategic resource) Japan has no oil of its own. They were getting about half of their imports from the U.S. when FDR cut off their supply. That same summer or early fall, Roosevelt closed the Panama Canal to Japanese ships. The U.S. had guaranteed canal access to all nations, but FDR ignored that promise. In November of 1941, Roosevelt gave Japan an ultimatum to get their military forces out of Manchuria. Roosevelt was shoving and pushing Japandaring the Japanese to take a swing at us. They finally did on December 7th, 1941. Indeed it was a "day of infamy". 2,500 U.S. military personnel died in the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were sacrificed by Roosevelt in order to reverse public opinion about America entering the war. It worked. In 1 day, the American People went from 80 percent opposed to the warto demanding that the U.S. declare war. An entire generation of young American men lined up at the draft board offices to enlist. So much for the so-called "unprovoked sneak-attack". As for the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. It was unnecessary. Nor would an invasion of Japan been necessary. The Japanese navy was on the bottom of the ocean. Every Japanese city of any consequence was in ruins. More people were killed in the conventional firebomb raids on Tokyo than were killed at either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. American naval and airpower had Japan in an inescapable stranglehold. Japan is an island nation lacking in many resources such as iron ore, coal, and oil. All we had to do was keep Japan encircled and wait. The surrender was inevitable. Instead, we became the only nation in history to use atomic weapons against another country. Truman ordered those bombs dropped on an already beatenand virtually defenseless people. The fact is, not a single japanese aircraft rose in the sky to challenge the Enola Gay B-29 that dropped the bomb. They were helpless and we bombed them anyway. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/3/01 9:35:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nakano comments: A few historical facts. Franklin Roosevelt ran as the "peace candidate" in the 1940 election. He said: "I have said it before, and I say it again and againI am not about to send your sons to fight and die in another European war." The American People were strongly against the U.S. entering World War 2. True, FDR was a liar. Something dramatic and shocking was needed to turn public opinion around. In about June of 1941 Roosevelt halted U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Denial of a strategic resource) Japan has no oil of its own. They were getting about half of their imports from the U.S. when FDR cut off their supply. We did not attack Japan. It is not our fault that Japan has no oil. We are not obligated to service Japanese needs. That same summer or early fall, Roosevelt closed the Panama Canal to Japanese ships. The U.S. had guaranteed canal access to all nations, but FDR ignored that promise. FDR had no right to close the canal to Japan. The Congress ignored what was the right thing to do and let FDR have his way. The US built the canal; we should have some control over it's usage, but I see your point. In November of 1941, Roosevelt gave Japan an ultimatum to get their military forces out of Manchuria. I don't like FDR, however he was right that Japan had no right to invade China, Korea, etc. Just because Japan has few natural resources does not give it a right to invade other countries to steal their natural resources. Roosevelt was shoving and pushing Japandaring the Japanese to take a swing at us. They finally did on December 7th, 1941. Indeed it was a "day of infamy". 2,500 U.S. military personnel died in the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were sacrificed by Roosevelt in order to reverse public opinion about America entering the war. It worked. In 1 day, the American People went from 80 percent opposed to the warto demanding that the U.S. declare war. An entire generation of young American men lined up at the draft board offices to enlist. So much for the so-called "unprovoked sneak-attack". The fact is that we did not attack Japan. Of course the American public is going to want war against another country that attacked us. FDR wanted to get us in the European war, Japan was a backdoor to doing this, Why was Japan pissed off because we didn't sell them petroleum or allow them access to the Panama Canal ... could it be because they wanted these resources to enslave all of Asia? We did not attack Japan; Japan attacked the US. As for the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. It was unnecessary. Nor would an invasion of Japan been necessary. The Japanese navy was on the bottom of the ocean. Every Japanese city of any consequence was in ruins. More people were killed in the conventional firebomb raids on Tokyo than were killed at either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. American naval and airpower had Japan in an inescapable stranglehold. Japan is an island nation lacking in many resources such as iron ore, coal, and oil. All we had to do was keep Japan encircled and wait. The surrender was inevitable. Instead, we became the only nation in history to use atomic weapons against another country. Truman ordered those bombs dropped on an already beatenand virtually defenseless people. The fact is, not a single japanese aircraft rose in the sky to challenge the Enola Gay B-29 that dropped the bomb. They were helpless and we bombed them anyway. What you say here has a lot of merit. It would have made more sense to starve them into surrender. However, the taking of Okinawa was no easy task and if as you say Japan was already defeated maybe we should not have invaded Okinawa and just let them surrender, but they did not surrender. I lived in Japan for over four years. The Japanese are much like people in the US, they don't like to give up in a fight. The only way to force Japan to surrender was to use the bomb or to invade the main island. They would have fought off the invasion to the best of their ability and it would have cost millions of lives on both sides. The Japanese would have fought the same as Americans would fight if our country was invaded. The only way the war would have ended would be to decimate Japan as much or more than Germany was decimated. I do see your point clearly, FDR railroaded the US into WW2. Japan overreacted to FDR's pushing and shoving by pulling a gun and we reacted in kind. I do not agree that Japan was utterly defeated. The bomb was probably the only way to make the Emperor surrender. Just like FDR, the emperor did not fight in the war and therefore he could be "tough" against any blockade, it is a different matter when citizens are being incinerated by the tens of thousands. I hope you can see my point. Regards, Bob Stokes A
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- --- Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did not attack Japan; Japan attacked the US. The Japanese are much like people in the US, they don't like to give up in a fight. The only way to force Japan to surrender was to use the bomb or to invade the main island. They would have fought off the invasion to the best of their ability and it would have cost millions of lives on both sides. The bomb was probably the only way to make the Emperor surrender. I hope you can see my point. Regards, Bob Stokes ___ Hello Bob, I appreciate your response and I do see your point. You make a good one. The American People wanted the war to end and the "boys to come home". It had already ended in Europe and the national attitude was to get it over with in the Pacific. This atmosphere made it more politically palatable to end it with a quick decisive strike. In his autobiography, "Mission With LeMay", Air Force General Curtis LeMay paints a grim picture of the situation in Japan during the last days of the war. U.S. heavy bombers flew virtually unchallenged in the skies over Japan. We conducted incendiary bomb strikes on Tokyo which produced a firestorm which lasted several days. More people were killed in that destruction of Tokyo than were killed by either atomic blast in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. LeMay clearly makes the point that The U.S. Army Air Force (as it was then called), had destroyed the Japanese air defense fighter forces and we had complete control of the airspace over Japan. We also had the strategic long-range bomber force capable of pulverizing Japanese cities into rubble. In fact, most of them were rubble. It was difficult to find relatively undamaged target cities on which to target the atomic bombs. Japan's industry required raw materials to sustain their war effort. Many of those vital raw materials had to be imported by sea. But the U.S. Navy had absolute mastery of the sea. The Japanese Navy and much of their merchant marine fleet had been destroyed. From a purely strategic military viewpoint, we did not have to invade the Japanese homeland. With absolute control of the airspace and the sealanes, we could have simply backed off, denied them any imports or commerce, and their industries would have ground to a halt. (They were already very seriously crippled). I agree that such a solution would not have satisfied the American public's need for "retribution". Regards Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
