Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-02 Thread Steve Wingate
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On 2 Apr 2003 at 8:21, David Sutherland wrote:

 'anal ysis'.

I think that says everything about your intentions here. Your anal intent is alarming. 
Is
your dick also made from depleated uranium? Shall you stuff it up Sadam's a***? You'd
love that, wouldn't you?

Steve



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Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-02 Thread David Sutherland
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... and what difference would 
that make Steve? Do you have a need to be controlled Steve?Now if you'd 
have done what i asked and gone and re-read the original post you may have been 
able to come back with an intelligent comment. You may have also gleaned that 
what was claimed about the Beatles came from the psychotic penof 
LaRouche-ism and not me. That was a 'quote' 
from the LaRoucheKamp Steve, that is why it was in quotation marks and 
with thesource of the citation noted.

Whatever attendant politicised 
conspiracy theoriesor mad-hatter Xtian styledemonisation 
blame-people want tolay on the Beatles and their music --music at 
best is an aesthetic appeal and henceits appreciation is an extremely 
subjectiveexperience. 

Some who think that psychedelic drugs 
somehow enhance the musician are deluded. It's a complete illusion and no 
musician who has worked under the influence for a considerable time has or will 
ever reach their peak ability -- their full, latent, gutsy, 
sublime,raw intellectual and physicalcapabilities. 
We call athletes on steroid drugscheats -- Musos on drugs cheat themselves 
and their audience because they do not deliver their peak -- and never can. 


Personally, I like all kinds of music 
simply because I LIKE IT, not because someone else (like pope LaRouche as 
per the post) has determined that it is good, bad or therapeutic for the 
performer or spectator. 

Dave.

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Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-02 Thread David Sutherland
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Nice to see a brain that 
functions at the speed of dark. I guess they don't call you Windgate for 
nothing.

I'm not sure where your 
homosexual fantasies are heading, but this probably isn't the appropriate forum 
to express them on. If you need --either help, counselling or gay 
contacts, it might be best to e-mail me off-line -- can't promise anything, but 
I'llscour my best toget you help --just hold off beaming-up to 
that Iraqi UFO dood!
Dave.- 
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April 02, 2003 1:26 AMSubject: Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler,  
Cheney -Caveat Lector- On 2 Apr 2003 at 8:21, 
David Sutherland wrote:  'anal ysis'. I 
think that says everything about your intentions here. Your anal intentis 
alarming. Is your dick also made from depleated uranium? Shall you stuff 
it up Sadam'sa***? You'd love that, wouldn't you? 
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Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-01 Thread Steve Wingate
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On 1 Apr 2003 at 13:56, David Sutherland wrote:

   The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a product shaped according to
   British Psychological Warfare Division (Travis, and promoted in Britain by agencies
   which are controlled by British intelligence.

No genuine musical talent?!! I think that statement says it all about the value of your
'analysis'.

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Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-01 Thread David Sutherland
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Maybe you should look at the post again ... this time try reading dimwit ...
instead of giving us your out of context, halfwit 'anal ysis'.

Dave.

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The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a product shaped
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British Psychological Warfare Division (Travis, and promoted in
Britain by agencies
which are controlled by British intelligence.

 No genuine musical talent?!! I think that statement says it all about the
value of your
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Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-01 Thread Steve Wingate
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David, are you our new psyops controller? Just wondering...

Steve

On 2 Apr 2003 at 8:21, David Sutherland wrote:

 Maybe you should look at the post again ... this time try reading dimwit ...
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Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-04-01 Thread Euphorian
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4/1/2003 3:01:54 PM, Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No genuine musical talent?!! I think that statement says it all about the
value of your 'analysis'.

Well, they didn't until they went to the Summer of Love in San Fran then
got a hold of some of that acid that removed the bubblegum from their
instruments ... notice the change in style during that period ...

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[CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-03-31 Thread William Shannon
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This Week You Need To Know

War, Hitler,  Cheney
by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.  March 25, 2003

The immediate situation of the U.S. is summed up as follows: At this moment, as I had forewarned you in 1999-2000, we are plunging into a world depression comparable to, but worse than that of the Herbert Hoover Depression of 1929-1933. As I forewarned you in an address, broadcast at the beginning of 2001, new would-be Adolf Hitlers have now appeared, this time inside the U.S.A. Those would-be Hitlers now threaten the whole world with the kinds of wars for which the world later hung Nazi leaders, at Nuremberg: the new Hitlers from inside the U.S.A. and Blair's government, who act exactly as Hitler threatened Czechoslovakia in 1938, and invaded Poland in 1939.

The pivotal feature of that warfare, into which an already bankrupt U.S. has just been plunged, is the de facto usurpation of the function of a still-sitting President by Halliburton's Vice President Cheney, and by a gang of his organized-crime-linked lackeys polluting not only the Departments of Defense and State, but also polluting, and virtually castrating elected and other leaders of the nominal opposition, the Democratic Party.

Ironically, but not accidentally, the present war-like situation in the Department of Defense, including the public rug-chewing exhibitions by Secretary Rumsfeld, reminds today's serious historians of the way in which Adolf Hitler and his Roman Legions-modelled SS, ultimately destroyed that German military which would-be Caesar Hitler's gang feared and hated so intensely.

All too obviously, the leading war-makers inside the Bush Administration today are mere lackeys, nasty pimps like the Leporello of Mozart's famous opera. These real-life Leporellos, such as the politically pimpish Wolfowitz and Ashcroft, were spawned, chiefly, by Chicago University and associated circles of a prominent fascist ideologue, the late Professor Leo Strauss. This Strauss was a follower of the Carl Schmitt who crafted the law under which Hitler became dictator of Germany; so, are Strauss's ardent followers inside the Bush Administration today. This fascist, Strauss, who created Wolfowitz, was imported to the U.S. from the Germany of Carl Schmitt and Hitler-midwife Hjalmar Schacht, at the time that also the later Robert Hutchins-sponsored Strauss was already known to be a fanatical follower of the leading Nazi ideologue Martin Heidegger.

However, like the Nazi SS enforcers, lackeys Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton, Wurmser, Feith, and so on, are merely expendable hoodlums adorned with political motley. To understand them, you must look to those who created them and put them into their present positions. You must look to the London-backed Hjalmar Schachts and von Papens of the modern U.S.A., including the likes of the Conrad Blacks, the Rupert Murdochs, George Shultz, and the Shultz-allied forces behind the Halliburton firms' government and other connections.

The essence of the matter is exactly what I warned you might happen, in a broadcast address I delivered just before the inauguration of President George W. Bush, Jr. We are in an accelerating world depression, while this year's U.S. Federal deficit already soars in the direction of the $1 trillions mark. The U.S.A. experienced its "Reichstag Fire" on September 11, 2001, and the storm-trooper legions of Vice President Cheney marched forth from those smoking ruins, brandishing their Mein Kampf doctrine of "preventive nuclear" war. This is the Nazi-like doctrine which Cheney had adopted in 1991, then in his capacity of Secretary of Defense. Led by Cheney's and Rumsfeld's lackeys, the depression-wracked U.S. is presently marching down the road toward self-inflicted Hell, unless the war is stopped about now.

We are, therefore, now trapped in a war for which no foreseeable exit is provided. It is not an "Iraq War"; it is a virtually endless world war, unless we stop it: unless you, personally, contribute to stopping it. It is a war already spreading, as the military forces of Turkey invade northern Iraq, in preparation to deal with a Kurdish campaign to carve a Kurdish state out of a region including large chunks of Turkey and Transcaucasia. This is a war of incalculable implications, being pushed by dangerous, and largely morally demented lunatics, such as Mother Cheney's Chickenhawks.

This is a spreading war, which threatens to topple most, or even all of the existing governments of the Middle East. As a result of the earlier foolishness of the Bush Administration policy toward the government of South Korea, President Bush's brainless launching of an absolutely unlawful war against Iraq, has created the grave possibility of an otherwise unlikely, nuclear-warfare incident between the U.S.A. and North Korea, with the possibility of a third nuclear-weapons detonation against Japan.

None of this insanity could have 

Re: [CTRL] War, Hitler, Cheney

2003-03-31 Thread David Sutherland
d, I would not harm thee for the world, but thou 
standest where I am about to shoot."

It was inevitable, given Quaker obsession with 
sin and holiness, transferred into societal do-goodersim and their manifestly 
Gnostic idea of an all-encompassingand powerful rule of evil in the world, 
that LaRouche would fall into the superstitious Roman Catholic Vatican 
manufactured 'Conspiracy Theory'camp formulated by the RC Jesuit 
Georgetown University's Professor Carroll Quigley who essentially wrote the 
LaRouchesbiblical manifesto proper called 'Tragedy and Hope'. 


Dave.




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  -Caveat Lector- http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2003/2003_10-19/2003-13/this_wk.htmlThis 
  Week You Need To KnowWar, Hitler,  Cheneyby Lyndon H. 
  LaRouche, Jr.  March 25, 2003The immediate situation of the U.S. is 
  summed up as follows: At this moment, as I had forewarned you in 1999-2000, we 
  are plunging into a world depression comparable to, but worse than that of the 
  Herbert Hoover Depression of 1929-1933. As I forewarned you in an address, 
  broadcast at the beginning of 2001, new would-be Adolf Hitlers have now 
  appeared, this time inside the U.S.A. Those would-be Hitlers now threaten the 
  whole world with the kinds of wars for which the world later hung Nazi 
  leaders, at Nuremberg: the new Hitlers from inside the U.S.A. and Blair's 
  government, who act exactly as Hitler threatened Czechoslovakia in 1938, and 
  invaded Poland in 1939.The pivotal feature of that warfare, into which 
  an already bankrupt U.S. has just been plunged, is the de facto usurpation of 
  the function of a still-sitting President by Halliburton's Vice President 
  Cheney, and by a gang of his organized-crime-linked lackeys polluting not only 
  the Departments of Defense and State, but also polluting, and virtually 
  castrating elected and other leaders of the nominal opposition, the Democratic 
  Party.Ironically, but not accidentally, the present war-like situation 
  in the Department of Defense, including the public rug-chewing exhibitions by 
  Secretary Rumsfeld, reminds today's serious historians of the way in which 
  Adolf Hitler and his Roman Legions-modelled SS, ultimately destroyed that 
  German military which would-be Caesar Hitler's gang feared and hated so 
  intensely.All too obviously, the leading war-makers inside the Bush 
  Administration today are mere lackeys, nasty pimps like the Leporello of 
  Mozart's famous opera. These real-life Leporellos, such as the politically 
  pimpish Wolfowitz and Ashcroft, were spawned, chiefly, by Chicago University 
  and associated circles of a prominent fascist ideologue, the late Professor 
  Leo Strauss. This Strauss was a follower of the Carl Schmitt who crafted the 
  law under which Hitler became dictator of Germany; so, are Strauss's ardent 
  followers inside the Bush Administration today. This fascist, Strauss, who 
  created Wolfowitz, was imported to the U.S. from the Germany of Carl Schmitt 
  and Hitler-midwife Hjalmar Schacht, at the time that also the later Robert 
  Hutchins-sponsored Strauss was already known to be a fanatical follower of the 
  leading Nazi ideologue Martin Heidegger.However, like the Nazi SS 
  enforcers, lackeys Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton, Wurmser, Feith, and so on, are 
  merely expendable hoodlums adorned with political motley. To understand them, 
  you must look to those who created them and put them into their present 
  positions. You must look to the London-backed Hjalmar Schachts and von Papens 
  of the modern U.S.A., including the likes of the Conrad Blacks, the Rupert 
  Murdochs, George Shultz, and the Shultz-allied forces behind the Halliburton 
  firms' government and other connections.The essence of the matter is 
  exactly what I warned you might happen, in a broadcast address I delivered 
  just before the inauguration of President George W. Bush, Jr. We are in an 
  accelerating world depression, while this year's U.S. Federal deficit already 
  soars in the direction of the $1 trillions mark. The U.S.A. experienced its 
  "Reichstag Fire" on September 11, 2001, and the storm-trooper legions of Vice 
  President Cheney marched forth from those smoking ruins, brandishing their 
  Mein Kampf doctrine of "preventive nuclear" war. This is the Nazi-like 
  doctrine which Cheney had adopted in 1991, then in his capacity of Secretary 
  of Defense. Led by Cheney's and Rumsfeld's lackeys, the depression-wracked 
  U.S. is presently marching down the road toward self-inflicted Hell, unless 
  the war is stopped about now.We are, therefore, now trapped in a war 
  for which no foreseeable exit is provided. It is not an "Iraq War"; it is a 
  virtually endless world war, unless we stop it: unless you, personally, 
  contribute to st