[CTRL] Is Elian Being Used to Divert Attention from State Dept. Security Scandal?

2000-04-29 Thread Robert F. Tatman
nyway? Who stole the machine, and how were they able to take it from what *should* have been the most secure section in Foggy Bottom? Inquiring minds want to know... Stay tuned for further (dis)information. ============ Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA "

Re: [CTRL] Is Elian Being Used to Divert Attention from State Dept.Security Scandal?

2000-04-29 Thread Robert F. Tatman
OK, both of you make very valid points, ones I can't disagree with. But I am still very suspicious that something very serious is being covered up in this particular case, something involving security at the highest levels of the State Department. I smell a very large and very dead rat here. The n

Re: [CTRL] HAARP/ELF & Induced Air Travel Actions (IATA)

2000-04-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Hmm... Do you suppose HAARP could be using Alaska Air flights as experimental targets? 'Twould explain the ungodly high number of planes that airline has either lost or had forced down by unexplained mechanical problems... - Original Message - From: "DIG alfred webre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [CTRL] cloning Hitler

2000-04-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
It wasn't just crank vegetarianism that led to Hitler's severe health problems. According to Felix Kersten, the Swedish "physician" (actually more like a chiropractor) one of whose faithful patients was Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, Hitler exhibited classic symptoms of tertiary syphilis: tremo

Re: [CTRL] Who wrote this?

2000-04-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Kuwait never had a separate identity under the Turks. It was always administered from Baghdad. There may have been an Emir of Kuwait, but he didn't rule a separate province, let alone a separate country. The British created Kuwait ex nihilo by the simple expedient of arbitrarily drawing a line on

Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Colombia

2000-04-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The American war on drugs exists for one purpose and one only: to ensure maximum profits for the producers and distributors of drugs. As always, follow the money, right into the pockets of the very politicans who are most vicious in their demands to "eradicate" drug trafficking. Everything else is

Re: [CTRL] ANIMAL RIGHTS PAGANS ENDORSE CARA

2000-05-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The scariest thing for me about reading *Mein Kampf* was that about halfway through the book I found myself nodding and muttering, "Mm-hmm, good point." When I realized what I was doing, I slammed the book shut in one hell of a hurry, crying "Get thee behind me, Satan!" It wasn't so much that the

[CTRL] Fw: [j30info] UNITY2000 Call to Action for distribution

2000-05-08 Thread Robert F. Tatman
UNITY2000 Call to Action for distribution- Original Message - From: Leon Oboler To: Action Alerts for Philly Republican Convention Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 2:57 PM Subject: [j30info] UNITY2000 Call to Action for distribution Action Alerts for Philly Republican Convention - www.unity200

Re: [CTRL] Who Owns AMERICA?

2000-05-08 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Remember that the National Forest system, administered by the U.S. Forest Service, was created by then-Secretary of the Interior Gifford Pinchot NOT to re-establish the devastated American wilderness...but to ensure a steady supply of lumber for the country's logging and construction industries. V

[CTRL] Asteroid a Giant, Metal Dog Bone -- or Abandoned Colony Ship?

2000-05-10 Thread Robert F. Tatman
will probably be to get materials for structures that will remain in space. Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA "Y Gwir Yn Erbyn y Byd"--Y Bardd Cymraeg "The Truth Against the World"--motto of the Welsh bards http://www.ctrl.org/"

[CTRL] Jewish Gene Study Reveals Origins

2000-05-10 Thread Robert F. Tatman
te having been surrounded by non-Jews for 80 generations, the rate of genetic mixture with Europeans was only half a percent per generation, according to Hammer. "It could be that wherever Jews were, they were very much isolated," Hammer told the New York Times. =========

[CTRL] Flat Universe Missing its Matter

2000-05-10 Thread Robert F. Tatman
faster, and changes all the equations about how much matter is needed to fit a flat universe. Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA "Y Gwir Yn Erbyn y Byd"--Y Bardd Cymraeg "The Truth Against the World"--motto of the Wel

Re: [CTRL] Bill Richer's E-mails continue to freeze my mail.

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman
I haven't been seeing problems like this, but in the past I've run into similar issues with very large messages which seem to clog the download from a mail server. In Outlook and Outlook Express, you can create a message rule which will blow out messages larger than 750 kb. I don't believe this is

Re: [CTRL] Ronald Reagan - Actor, Airhead, or What?

2000-05-14 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Uh, not exactly. Maybe I can't *prove* it...but can you *disprove* it? Rulers have used lookalike stand-ins for millennia. Without wanting to appear superstitious, there *is* that odd pattern that the U.S. president elected every 20 years dies in office, by disease or by "misadventure"... And it's

Re: [CTRL] J. Edgar Hoover Shocker?/ Worker owners of the means of production.

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Go for it, Joshua...these market-worshippers need a good lesson in reality. - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] J. Edgar Hoover Shocker?/ Worker owners of the means of production

Re: [CTRL] Big Bizness Wants YOU to Vote

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman
As a Quaker and a longtime activist in the movement for peace and social justice, I have a lot of experience with decision-making by consensus, in sometimes very large groups (1000+). It *is* possible to make decisions this way, but it takes a lng time, and the nature of the decision is often

Re: [CTRL] Jewish Gene Study

2000-05-15 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Yup They're going to HAVE to give it up, because if they target the Palestinians they'll be targeting themselves as well... As Hillel put it about the time of Jesus, when challenged to sum up the Scriptures "while standing on one leg," "That which is hateful to yourself, do not do to others. T

[CTRL] LA Times: LAPD Infiltrators Spied on Protesters, May Have Instigated Violence

2000-08-18 Thread Robert F. Tatman
m the undercover officers. That information then was immediately shared with commanders and lieutenants. The undercover officers on the street were instructed to pay particular attention not only to gathering information about the protesters' plans but also to evidence of any weapons

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this

2000-08-19 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Excuse me, Amelia, but that should be "coca", not "cocoa"... Not that this is the first time the two have been confused, however. When the Spanish arrived in South America, I've heard, they discovered the natives chewing funny-tasting leaves and drinking a strange, dark hot beverage. After a whil

[CTRL] "This Water Is Ours, Damn It!"

2000-08-21 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Soren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: (50 Years) delegation to cochabamba, bolivia - site of WB/privatization battle > From: Neil Tangri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Invitation to Join An International D

[CTRL] Homeopathic Preparations Appear to Have Therapeutic Effect

2000-08-21 Thread Robert F. Tatman
ters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.* http://www.ctrl.org/"

[CTRL] Acupuncture May Aid in The Treatment of Cocaine Dependence

2000-08-21 Thread Robert F. Tatman
prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidi

[CTRL] http://neurology.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/08/08.14/20000814publ003.html

2000-08-21 Thread Robert F. Tatman
bution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkin

[CTRL] Physicians Called Upon to Change Attitudes Toward Herbal Medicines

2000-08-21 Thread Robert F. Tatman
eserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTE

[CTRL] Fw: Core GOP Tenets

2000-08-22 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: Harold Rosenthal To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 5:52 AM Subject: [July30] Core GOP Tenets July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com Forwarded by Mark Ratkus/Economics/LaSalle on How To Be A Good Republican: 1. You have to believe that th

Re: [CTRL] OT: ST: Prehistoric Man Were Communists

2000-08-22 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Amen. Kropotkin is too often overlooked as a political philosopher. I've seen studies of community crisis response which argue persuasively that during a crisis such as a hurricane, earthquake, etc., the community goes into a roughly three-day cycle: the first day and a half *no government exist

Re: [CTRL] The North Pole has melted.

2000-08-22 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Actually, it's more like 600 years (misplaced decimal point?)--the global cooling known as the Little Ice Age began about 1500, and is finally ending today. During the High Middle Ages, ca. 1200, the mean global temperature was probably several degrees warmer than it is today. The Little Ice Age

[CTRL] Fw: 2 Articles from Fabel van de Illegaal

2000-08-23 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Tom Burghardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: [AFIB] 2 Articles from Fabel van de Illegaal __ ANTIFA INFO-BULLETIN News * Analysis * Research * Action __

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: FC: Blackplanet.com bans woman named "Babcock" for foul last name

2000-08-23 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Give me a break... Are you sure you don't mean "fowl" last name? Suppose members of a folklore chatroom decided to discuss the poem "Who Killed Cock Robin?" -- would the censorware block *that*? This is getting like the Victorians putting pantaloons on overly-suggestive table legs and Mother Hu

[CTRL] Fw: UNC6@egroups Deletion Appeal

2000-08-24 Thread Robert F. Tatman
More Internet censorship, of a particularly chilling variety... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: [July30] UNC6@egroups Deletion Appeal > July 30 in Philly

[CTRL] Fw: BTL 9/1/00 Weekly Summary

2000-08-24 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Between The Lines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: [July30] BTL 9/1/00 Weekly Summary > July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com > > BETWEEN THE LINES WEEKLY SUMMARY > =

[CTRL] Fw: How Long Will Current Movements Rise??

2000-08-24 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Carol at Secession.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "July 30 in Philly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "P DAG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: [July30] How Long Will Curren

Re: [CTRL] Clinton to attend United Nations Millennium Summit

2000-08-24 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: [CTRL] Clinton to attend United Nations Millennium Summit > [Check the last paragraph! Our "Founding Fathers" are turming > over in their graves:( --M

Re: [CTRL] Mission Possible

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
YES, June! I was about to post a specific request to EVERYONE on the list (Birds, are you listening??) to PLEASE post in *text format only*. Not only does posting in HTML waste bandwidth and slow downloading, as well as make such messages inaccessible to listmembers who don't have HTML-capable e

Re: [CTRL] No Mention: Classified Material Gone?

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
And wasn't it convenient that a U.S. Navy carrier task group just *happened* to be in port when this "accident" took place? More questions: why did the plane circle the airport twice and then suddenly plunge into the ocean? Why was there no mention by the aircraft's crew of any problems in their

Re: [CTRL] A B A L K A N E N C O U N T E R: The Elders of Zion

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
And, as Henry Kissinger observed, even paranoids have enemies... I'm not buying into the Elders of Zion crap, of course. But in my own experience, sometimes a healthy sense of paranoia is a decided survival trait, not least in the corporate world. - Original Message - From: "nessie" <[E

[CTRL] Global Freshwater Scarcity: Is Privatization a Solution?

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
t of the U.S. water infrastructure is aging and in need of costly repairs or replacement. With chronic funding gaps, some local governments are betting on the private sector to bring their systems back into compliance and keep rates down. [See pie chart at http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-a/34/i15/html/08c

[CTRL] GREENLAND ICE SHEET CHANGES ARE NORMAL; NO EVIDENCE OF LONG-TERM CLIMATE CHANGES

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
e possible impact on the ice sheet's contribution to sea-level rise in the future." Other universities who participated in the study include: the University of Washington, Ohio State University, the University of Arizona and the University of Nebraska. Funding was provided by grants from

[CTRL] Robots Rule OK?

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
just our noses. And within a few decades, it is just possible that our noses may be picking us. ------------ Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match f

[CTRL] Does homoeopathy have a therapeutic effect?

2000-08-25 Thread Robert F. Tatman
xford OX3 7LF Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -------- Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.* http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == C

Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from

2000-08-27 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The only thing that trickles down from mansions on hilltops is raw sewage... - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:15:49 -0400

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Evangelism Outlawed -- Proposed French Law

2000-08-27 Thread Robert F. Tatman
In one of his books, the late Robert A. Heinlein had a character observe that "evangelism consists of beating your words into a man's ears until they come out of his mouth." That could equally well apply to advertising, which is after all part of the evangelical apparatus of corporate capitalism.

Re: [CTRL] Alex Constantine v. David Horowitz

2000-08-27 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Before I consign flw to the "Blocked Senders" list, I have to observe that he is clearly a victim of capitalist mind control, which can always be identified by the knee-jerk response of its victims to anything even vaguely seeming to attack The Marketplace. - Original Message - From: "flw

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Report: Violent Entertainment Aimed At Young

2000-08-28 Thread Robert F. Tatman
I had an eye-opening discussion with my 18-year-old niece the other day about *American Beauty*. As regulars on this list will remember, my reaction to the movie was that it was possibly the most perverse, not to say perverted, film I had ever seen. My niece's reaction was very different. She s

[CTRL] On Wormwood, Methane, and Meteors

2000-08-28 Thread Robert F. Tatman
While recognizing that Revelation is so convoluted and extended an allegory that untangling its allusions is probably an impossible task, I might suggest that a very good candidate for Wormwood would be the combination of an oceanic meteorite strike combined with release of methane clathrate

[CTRL] MSNBC: 2 die in shooting at Arkansas college

2000-08-28 Thread Robert F. Tatman
aught law there in the mid-1970s. The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report. ©2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.*

Re: [CTRL] Charred, Barren Land is Clinton's "Environmental Legacy" in our National Forests

2000-08-29 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The REAL culprit is an economic system that regards the forests as resources to be exploited rather than as our global heritage, to be preserved and protected. The National Forest System was created to be a source of timber in a country whose land had been ninety percent logged off by 1900. While

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [RMNEWS] HARVESTABLE CHINESE IN AFRICA???

2000-08-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The more likely explanation for the Chinese "invasion" of Africa is the one Stratfor put forward last week: this is a ploy by the Beijing oligarchs to divert the attention and energy of the PLA to activities outside of China proper, to make either a coup d'etat or further bureaucratic imperialism

[CTRL] Fw: Out on the left coast

2000-09-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Larry Petkov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [address list snipped] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: [July30] Out on the left coast July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com Why Nader country might count The Green Party won't win the White House, but

Re: [CTRL] Kurds Away

2000-09-06 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Iraq has become nothing more than a live-fire training range for U.S. and British pilots, the Middle Eastern counterpart to Vieques. I suspect that we have been paying Saddam Hussein under the table to keep refusing to accept U.N. arms inspectors for the precise purpose of maintaining this very u

Re: [CTRL] Bill Clinton is suffering from a sexually-transmitteddisease.

2000-08-12 Thread Robert F. Tatman
I'd like to see full psychiatric workups on a few GOP members of Congress, particularly Tom DeLay and Jesse Helms. As for Senator Senility, Strom Thurmond, all I can say is he must be the best insurance policy any President and Vice President have, since as President Pro Tem of the Senate he is t

[CTRL] Fw: Phila. Inquirer: State police infiltrated protest groups

2000-09-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The article is a mix, as usual, of *mis*information and *dis*information. I keep wondering why people are so shocked to learn that assorted police agencies keep infiltrating radical groups. If you keep everything aboveboard and out in the open, the cops will get your press releases before their

[CTRL] Fw: ANTIFA INFO-BULLETIN, Number 260

2000-07-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
>>The politics of hate hasn't had it so easy since Hitler was in power. Consider that a splinter bomb attack at a Düsseldorf railway station Thursday, which left nine foreign students injured -- six of them Russian and Ukrainian Jews -- came only a month after a regional Christian Democrat (CDU) o

Re: [CTRL] Move afoot to detoxify ancient, once-benign swastika symbol

2000-07-30 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The swastika was originally a sun-symbol. It's found among the ancient Hohokam and their modern descendants, including the Hopis, as precisely that, and that's the meaning it had to the early Indo-European speakers who spread it across Eurasia. It was adopted by the German occult nationalists of

Re: [CTRL] *Bonus March* FDR or Herbert Hoover?

2000-07-31 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Hoover honestly believed that each of the Bonus Marchers--and each victim of the Great Depression--was responsible for picking himself up by his own bootstraps. He considered it immoral for government at any level to bail out any individual. What he did not realize, of course, was that the Depre

[CTRL] Fw: Buchanan Ousted: Hagelin Assumes Reform Party Leadership

2000-07-31 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: Amanda Musick To: July 30 in Philly Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:54 PM Subject: [July30] Buchanan Ousted: Hagelin Assumes Reform Party Leadership July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com BUCHANAN OUSTED: HAGELIN ASSUMES REFORM PARTY LEADERSHIP EXECUTIVE COMMITT

[CTRL] Fw: Will Buchanan prevail against the Perotistas?

2000-07-31 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Larry Petkov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: [July30] will Buchanan prevail against the Perotistas July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com Published Saturday, July 29, 2000 Buchanan Removed From Ballot By KELLIE B.

[CTRL] Fw: Buchanan: The war continues

2000-07-31 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Larry Petkov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:20 PM Subject: [July30] The war continues July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com Published Sunday, July 30, 2000 Buchanan: Party Move is Illegitimate By WILL LESTER / Associated Press

[CTRL] Abortion, Pro and Con...

2000-07-31 Thread Robert F. Tatman
t; > Deborah Lagutaris > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "What we're doing in Vietnam is using the black man to kill the yellow > man so the white man can keep the land he took from the red man."--Dick > Gregory > >

Re: [CTRL] Con Fiction

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Well, I WAS gonna write a review of *Kingdom Come* for CTRL but looks like Kenn Thomas, via Kris, beat me to it... I just finished the book, and it is very impressive. I knew I was onto something here when the hero's cover name turned out to be "Kerry Thornley." Hougan rings in all of the major

[CTRL] Fw: FBI "Anti Terrorist" arrests of activists: charges dismissed

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: Asheville Global Report To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: [a16-international-planning] FBI "Anti Terrorist" arrests of activists: charges dismissed Activist's charges dismissed in DC after preemptive "Anti Terrorist" arrest

[CTRL] Fw: U.S. Congress demands Summer explain role in Kanbur resignation (World Bank)

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
More of the news the Oligarchy's media deem unfit to print... - Original Message - From: "Soren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: (50 Years) U.S. Congress demands Summer explain role in Kanbur resignation

[CTRL] Philly Cops Break Up "Anarchist Threat"

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
have given no excuse for police countermeasures), the police--or more likely INSCOM--decided to create their own incident to justify a crackdown. Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidi

Re: [CTRL] IRS Should Investigate Philly Church

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Nobody in Philly ever said Herb Lusk had any brains. Besides, endorsements from the pulpit are nothing new for the Black churches; the only difference here is that usually they're endorsing Democrats, not Republicans. I'd be curious to know why Barry Lynn hasn't challenged the tax exemption of t

[CTRL] Fw: Sept. 5-8: Actions at UN Millennium Summit, NYC

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Soren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: (50 Years) Sept. 5-8: Actions at UN Millennium Summit, NYC > ATTENTION ALL ANTI-GLOBALIZATION, PRO-DEMOCRATIZATION ACTIVISTS! > A Coalition has formed to organiz

[CTRL] Fw: Support U.S. legislation for major IMF restrictions

2000-08-01 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Spread the word: urge your Congresscritters to support HR 5085, "IMF Reform Act of 2000." - Original Message - From: "Soren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: (50 Years) Support U.S. legislation for major IMF restrictions > Rep.

[CTRL] Fw: URGENT: Help our people arrested in Philly

2000-08-02 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: Cliff Pearson To: Cliff Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: [July30] URGENT: Help our people arrested in Philly July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com Sisters and Brothers, UPDATE #2: The latest news from Kendall is that the Philadelphia

[CTRL] Fw: Urgent from Philly

2000-08-03 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Curious George Brigade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: [July30] Urgent from Philly > July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com > > URGENT FROM PHILADELPHIA > > Things are getting really ugly in Philade

[CTRL] Fw: #1 - Salon.com: In the shadows of the Republican Convention, By Arianna Huffington

2000-08-03 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Sam H. Clauder II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:27 AM Subject: [July30] #1 - Salon.com: In the shadows of the Republican Convention, By Arianna Huffington > July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com > > Arianna Huff

[CTRL] Fw: #2 - Arianna Huffington serves with ex-President George Bush on the board of a foundation financed in part by Gov. George W. Bush ...

2000-08-03 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Sam H. Clauder II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:35 AM Subject: [July30] #2 - Arianna Huffington serves with ex-President George Bush on the board of a foundation financed in part by Gov. George W. Bush ... > Jul

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Holy Smoke (re: Gary North & assorted Millenialists)

2000-08-03 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Well, Alex Constantine has really pointed out a serious issue with this one. The Reconstructionists are bad enough, considering their influence on such "conservative" stalwarts as ex-Veep Dan and Marilyn Quayle, not to mention Governor Death, G.W. Bush himself. But adding them to the poisonous mi

[CTRL] Fw: Philadelphia Police Action

2000-08-03 Thread Robert F. Tatman
FWIW, part of an extremely challenging thread from the "July 30 in Philly" list regarding violence, nonviolence, the role of the police, and other related matters... And, of course, verb. sap.: caveat lector. Truth is always in the mind of the beholder. - Original Message - From: "Jenny

[CTRL] General Observations

2000-08-04 Thread Robert F. Tatman
, do not do to others." If you don't want someone to spit on you, don't spit on them. Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.* *Y Gwyr yn erbyn y Byd.* -- y Bardd Cymraeg (

[CTRL] Fw: [July30] PHILLY: The full story, as a story

2000-08-04 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: Cliff Pearson To: Cliff Pearson Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: [July30] PHILLY: The full story, as a story July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com Full story in manuscript format Reprinted from Independent Media Center Philadelphia Story rated 10.

[CTRL] Fw: [July30] PHILLY: Latest news from Scott

2000-08-04 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Cliff Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cliff Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: [July30] PHILLY: Latest news from Scott > July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com > > I just spoke with Scott. He is still very stressed out

Re: [CTRL] General Observations

2000-08-05 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Nessie, we've been around this tree before. Look: I agree with 90 percent of what you've posted over the years. Where we part company is on this question of violence. I'm intrigued that you chose to focus on this one item from my message, rather than the entire message. I also said that "Viole

[CTRL] Black-Ops Osprey

2000-08-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
expected to arrive by 2004 and will be the first of a total of 50 aircraft planned for purchase. Related stories: V-22 Osprey Related links: Boeing V-22 page AFSOC Copyright © 2000 Beyond Online Limited. All rights reserved. [Non-text material has been deleted.] Robert F. Tatman Informa

Re: [CTRL] General Observations

2000-08-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
aking a difference, they wouldn't be arresting certain activists and holding them on $1 million bail. "A society is a healthy society only to the degree that it exhibits anarchistic traits." - Jens Bjørneboe Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL P

Re: [CTRL] OEN 8/7/00

2000-08-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The idea that earthly existence is a kind of purgatory for sinners before they finally ascend to Heaven is actually a fairly common belief among Hasidic Jews. It seems to have been a syncretistic borrowing from both Christianity and Gnosticism, both of which are strongly dualistic. The major dif

[CTRL] Messages to 50,000 Years in the Future?

2000-08-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
nd of longevity. "We can't even read our (Microsoft) Word 3.0 files," he said. Keo's Quinn said the project is leaving the challenge of deciphering the disks to the future. "How long will our descendants take to decode our glass disks? One day or a thousand years?" Q

[CTRL] Fw: Study Devastates WB's Policy Logic

2000-08-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Soren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: (50 Years) Study Devastates WB's Policy Logic > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *Please forward to appropriate lists* > > CENTER FOR ECONOMIC AND POLICY RESEARCH - >

Re: [CTRL] Colorado Outlaws Farmyard Noises

2000-08-07 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Doesn't surprise me. It's undoubtedly all the California Republicans who moved to Colorado after they made California unworkable with Proposition 13... Makes me think of the guy a friend of mine told me about (he swears this is a true story) who moved into a new house on the edge of a forest. T

Re: [CTRL] Ancient Coins May Map New Understandings of Antiquity

2000-08-08 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Well now, the history of the stater is well known and documented by archaelogists and numismatists. The coins, found all over the Mediterranean and Europe and as far away as India and Central Asia, were originally minted by Alexander the Great. The horse represents his stallion Boukephalos, repu

Re: [CTRL] help me out here, gang

2000-08-09 Thread Robert F. Tatman
FWIW, both sites open fine in IE. I think it may have been an AOL issue (surprise, surprise!)... - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] help me out here, gang > In a message dat

Re: [CTRL] (en) Philly - Key activists were earmarked by police

2000-08-09 Thread Robert F. Tatman
YOU know that, and the DEMONSTRATORS know that, but the police don't. The police, being paramilitary and therefore by definition hierarchical, can't conceive of leaderless organizations, and thus targeted the people who *looked* like what they conceived of as leaders--namely, the ones with walkie

[CTRL] Poli. Sci. 101

2000-08-09 Thread Robert F. Tatman
stem until it has come about. I suspect that it will be populist, but the choice seems to be between Left and Right populism, with the Left beginning to coalesce around the Greens and the Right edging toward a crypto-fascist nationalism (if that's not a tautology) focused on Buchanan. Robert F.

[CTRL] Fw: Philly update - 8/9/00

2000-08-09 Thread Robert F. Tatman
FYI. - Original Message - From: "Leslie Cagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: [July30] Philly update - 8/9/00 > July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com > > Pleas

[CTRL] Fw: Punish those responsible for the damage done in Philadelphia!!

2000-08-09 Thread Robert F. Tatman
- Original Message - From: "Dana Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: [July30] Punish those responsible for the damage done in Philadelphia!! > July 30 in Philly - www.unity2000.com > > Editorial: Punish those responsible

Re: [CTRL] Anarchist Black Bloc Press Release

2000-08-10 Thread Robert F. Tatman
It seems to me that the end implied by this particular means would resemble rather closely the thing it aspires to replace... If private property is as absurd a concept as it certainly appears to be, doesn't it make more sense to *ignore* it rather than try to eradicate it using the very methods

Re: [CTRL] Anarchist Black Bloc Press Release

2000-08-10 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Nessie, that doesn't answer my question. If you use violence to change violence, you have changed nothing. That's the whole point of the Gandhi quote: The end IS implicit in the means. Or, to paraphrase a passage from the Buddha, "Hatred is not overcome by hatred; hatred is overcome only by lov

Re: [CTRL] I WAS DICK CHENEY'S SEX SLAVE'

2000-08-11 Thread Robert F. Tatman
And Redstone Arsenal is where NASA runs its "Space Camp," a very convenient way to indoctrinate the most active and intelligent kids in their high school classes... FWIW. - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000

Re: [CTRL] Werner von Braun - was I WAS DICK CHENEY'S SEX SLAVE'

2000-08-11 Thread Robert F. Tatman
*Both* the US and Soviet space programs, and through them every other space program, relied on German missile technology. The US and the Soviets split the original Peenemuende team between them, although von Braun did his best to get as many of his men as possible into the hands of the Americans.

Re: [CTRL] [surfingtheapocalypse] [RMNEWS] HAS THE WAR BEGUN??

2000-08-11 Thread Robert F. Tatman
On Wednesday two light planes collided in midair over Burlington County, New Jersey, killing all ten people on the two planes and one person on the ground. The larger plane was a commuter flight from Lakewood Naval Air Station, carrying mostly civilian Navy personnel en route to the Navy research

Re: [CTRL] Werner von Braun - was I WAS DICK CHENEY'S SEX SLAVE'

2000-08-11 Thread Robert F. Tatman
I didn't say I thought that justice SHOULD belong to the victors--I said it DOES belong to the victors. The victor always dictates the history of the war and passes judgment on acts committed during it...whether that control over events and interpretation is justified or legitimate or not. I co

Re: [CTRL] Samuel Wilson/CIA/College President

2000-08-12 Thread Robert F. Tatman
If the country ran on the honor code of Haverford College, the elite Quaker school near Philadelphia, there are perhaps no more than half a dozen members of Congress who would not be expelled for lying. Certainly the entire Reagan-Bush administration would have been kicked off campus without furt

Re: [CTRL] Werner von Braun

2000-08-12 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Amen, Nessie. I am proud of my German heritage. It's a highly important part of me. BUT I ABOMINATE THE NAZIS AND EVERYTHING THEY DID AND EVERYTHING THEY STOOD FOR. When I was ten years old I began reading everything I could get my hands on, trying to understand why this nation of warm, loving

Re: [CTRL] Fungus GM Foods

2000-08-12 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Plus which, the absentee English landlords had discovered they could make more money by raising cattle on the still-fertile farmland, so they had no stake in encouraging the Irish to diversify their crops, and plenty of reasons to want them off the land... Sound familiar? Take a look at Central

Re: [CTRL] Vigilante Vigil (1st & 2nd)

2000-08-12 Thread Robert F. Tatman
The issue of child molesters and other sex offenders is more complicated yet. According to some material I posted to CTRL a few months ago and don't have immediately at hand (I'll dig it up and repost it), psychopaths such as child molesters routinely fake out their therapists by mastering the lin

Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?

2000-08-13 Thread Robert F. Tatman
This is a hoax.  - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I'm really not surprised.    >>>Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P   I guess the warnings we

Re: [CTRL] researcher suggests elusive Bigfoot is an android

2000-08-14 Thread Robert F. Tatman
Oh wow...I just realized that Bigfoot is in fact my long-lost Great-Uncle Harry, who disappeared in 1946 after a record-setting binge in Fargo, ND, in the course of which he personally demolished fifteen bars, three Ford pickup trucks, and two sheriff's deputies, and consumed the town's entire sto

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