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-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 27 May 99, , Taylor, wrote: Horrified Western historians were unified in their inability to understand how the "Christian" Germany of Martin Luther could have become the Satanic Germany of Adolf Hitler. Seems to me that Martin Luther was decidedly anti-Semitic, so it would not be a very great leap from Luther to Hitler. FWIW, the last time this came up on the list, I did an extensive search both on the Internet and offline, and was NOT able to confirm the antisemitic remarks attributed to Martin Luther. Every reference led back to dubious sources. My conclusion, therefore, is that the allegations that Luther held antisemitic views are just that, allegations, probably originating with genuine antisemites who wanted to give their ideology an aura of historical legitimacy. More to the point than wondering how Luther's Germany became the Hitlerian abomination, ask yourselves how the *liberal* Germany of Beethoven and Schiller, the Germany that produced the "Ode to Joy," could become the Third Reich of the Nazis. I have spent a lifetime struggling with that question, and I still have no answer, except to say that Germans, like all other human beings, are extraordinarily complex and contradictory beings. Remember this when contemplating the Nazis: the same people that produced the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution, in the century that followed, engaged in multiple imperialist wars of aggression and decimated the native peoples of North America in a tragedy at least as horrible as the Holocaust, as well as embracing an economic system that reduced millions of their fellow American citizens to wage slavery no better than the chattel slavery practiced in the slave states of the South. Each of us is a potential Hitler. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Meme this and meme that, the ol'e Machaevellian divide and conquer two-step. Om K In a message dated 5/30/99 5:22:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes New Age Crap there is - in fact all Humanity is unified in that one certain unarguable organic fact - but its who or what we use to wipe it all up that separates the ProHumans from the AntiHumans. Turn new agers against one another - they need some Lucifer to straighten them out send in the Kabal, the Nazis are calling people nazi - but do they really THINK that they have ANY CREDIBILITY left to make that stick. If Naziism is New Age, then the f**king New World Order is LIBERAL - RIGHT ?? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- If this aint the pot calling the kettle black. This information suits Christian superstitionists, so they manipulate it to demean superstition which doesn't conform to their own. If one understands anything at all about the Christian religion, then one understands that Christianity is pure paganism overlaid with some rituals and concepts taken from the Jews. The propaganda below is outrageously manipulative and intended to make attraction to non-Christian superstition fearful by claiming that it is those ideas that made the Nazis as evil as they were when in fact... see--at--bottom-- "Taylor, John (JH)" wrote: -Caveat Lector- SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL! http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1185.cfm Today, we shall review a most interesting and informative book entitled, "The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults And Their Influence on Nazi Ideology", by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, New York University Press, New York, 1992. If you are a New Age adherent, we urge you to carefully and thoughtfully consider the revelations contained within this article. You will discover that your beloved New Age is nothing more than Nazism hiding behind a mask of "Love", "Peace", and "Safety". You are worshipping Satan without realizing it. You are worshipping Satan even though you have been taught he does not exist. Your precious eternal soul is at stake, so please, please read this article carefully, and with an open spiritual mind. If you have not read the confessions of a former New Age author, we encourage you to read NEWS1182, "Crowley And New Age Movement Compared". We will demonstrate to you the truth of the following equation: The New Age IS Nazism! Once World War II concluded, the world discovered the unbelievable widespread genocide carried out by Hitler's Nazis, a genocide which slaughtered almost 20,000,000 innocent men, woman, and children whom the Nazis had concluded were not "worthy of life". Horrified Western historians were unified in their inability to understand how the "Christian" Germany of Martin Luther could have become the Satanic Germany of Adolf Hitler. Additionally, these Germans were well educated, well versed in the Arts and Entertainment, and seemed to typify the type of individual that Humanists could point to with pride and say, "See, we told you man was inherently good, and that, if you educated him, and exposed him to the better things of life, he would naturally develop his better nature". This historian, a secular one, decided to look in a different place for the answer to why Germans could so quickly have turned into the monstrous killers of Adolf Hitler. Goodrick-Clarke carefully examined the occult roots of Nazism and discovered that a Satanic "Revival" had occurred in Germany from 1890-1935, thoroughly preparing the German people to support, love, and respect Adolf Hitler. Further, enough young Germans supported Hitler so much they were willing to pull the triggers of the guns . As Goodrick-Clarke examined these occult leaders who so completely prepared the German populace to accept Hitler, he listed the beliefs and goals of these early occult German leaders. As I read through these beliefs and goals, I was horrified to realize that they were identical to the New Age beliefs. Let us now examine the key beliefs of the occult leaders which prepared the German people for Adolf Hitler, and which prepared Hitler himself! OCCULT BELIEFS AND GOALS OF GERMAN OCCULTISTS FROM 1890-1935 GERMAN OCCULTIC BELIEFS NEW AGE BELIEFS Hated the advent of modern society, and longed for the return to the simpler rural lifestyle of the German peasants Hates our modern society, proposes that we abolish current Industrial Society, revert back to 1700's Economy Taught myth of Lost Atlantis Teaches myth of the Lost Atlantis Atlantians were infinitely superior in occult wisdom and ability Atlantians were much superior in all types of wisdom Reveled in ancient Nordic mythology even though it was occultic Revels in all types of ancient culture's mythology, including Native American, even though they are occultic Preached wonderful Millennial reign of the Superman who was to arise Preaches golden Millennial reign of the New Age Superman, whom New Agers believe is about to arise Wove ideas from other occult groups: Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Cabbalism, and Freemasonry, Secret Societies Has borrowed ideas from occult groups: Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Cabbalism, and Freemasonry, and other Secret Societies Revered Madame Blavatsky, founder of House of Theosophy Reveres Madame Blavatsky, founder of House of Theosophy Taught Evolution Teaches Evolution Taught Reincarnation and Karma Teaches Reincarnation and Karma Taught doctrines of ancient
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-Caveat Lector- An inciteful post, nurev, too bad you can't see as clearly the truth about everything, guns and government especially. I would add that Nazism itself was a religion of sorts, one of those "cults that kill" we hear so much about. Its priesthood, the SS, was created in open imitation of the Jesuits, from its structure right down to the color of its uniforms. The most significant role of religion in the Nazi movement, however, was Hitler's clever rewording of the soldiers oath of loyalty to include his name. Germans have taken very seriously the binding power of the spoken word since before they migrated to Germany. Oaths are a really big deal to them. By changing the Oath Hitler bound the armed forces to himself personally. At one general staff meeting (the story goes) the planning for Aktion Barbarosa was being finalized. Guderion pointed out that between the three months they had been forced behind schedule by the Yugoslav partisans and the three weeks squandered in Czechoslovakia avenging Heidrich's assassination, it was now too late in the year to subdue Russia before the bad weather set in. Hitler fixed him with his best Darth Vader stare and said, "Leave the weather to me." Guderian complied. Predictable, his panzers ground to a halt before the very gates of Moscow as their oil froze and their driver's fingers grew frostbite. Now this was no superstitious peasant we're talking about here. This was "Swift Heinz" Guderian, one of the best generals history has ever produced. He had a mind like a steel trap. He could have built a tank with his own hands had the occasion arose. He knew ever bolt and washer. He was nobody's fool. He was not, as so many tellers of the story imply, awed by (or even convinced of) Hitler's supposed occult powers. He was bound by his oath. The rest is history. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- According to my Oxford Concordance made especially for the Delegats to the Clarendon Press, Seig Heil means "God Is Alive". Hitler, Wagner..well what is going on today in this world, the movie before the fact. Wagner took the bible and the crucified Christ..Hitler held the Spear of Destiny, the spear that pierced the side of Christ and saw in it power - the power of the ballistic missile. If you want Hitler's 1000 Year Reichhe took it straight out of the bible and the Revelations in particular.you know, the 7 Seals David Koresch was trying to explain to the public to show what was going to happenonly he thought God would kill them all, not Reno and Clintonbut he had his own holocaust, Clinton and Reno stylethe murder of the innocents. If you want to now the truth, find out who the Gideon's Are and if they are still serving in NATO? And, who's side they on this time.the Fourth Reich's - surely, not ours. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 27 May 99, , Taylor, wrote: Horrified Western historians were unified in their inability to understand how the "Christian" Germany of Martin Luther could have become the Satanic Germany of Adolf Hitler. Seems to me that Martin Luther was decidedly anti-Semitic, so it would not be a very great leap from Luther to Hitler. I worry that there seem to be so many people today who think everyone who is not directly connected with a Xtian faith that focuses on the divinity of Jesus must be, in some way, involved with "Satan." This is particularly worrisome because, throughout world history, the "Divine" figure has been related to the the zodiacal sign related to the precession of the equinoxes. In the Age of Taurus, Apis, the Bull, was considered divine. In the Age of Aries, it was Rama. In the Age of Pisces, the Fish, it has been Jesus. Since we are now moving out of Pisces and into the Age of Aquarius, a new divinity may well be in order. And what worries me is that this notion may whip present Christians into a destructive millenial frenzy in an attempt to hold onto old ways and to traditions of the past. Anton LeVey and Aleister Crowley are not the whole of the "New Age," which is certainly not a single, cohesive "movement." I am not even necessarily supportive of what now passes for "New Age," some of which seems to me downright silly. I just find it dangerous to think that everyone who does not "believe in" the Bible or regard Jesus as divine must necessarily be regarded as tied to forces of "evil." It is a way of demonizing people and then, of course, if we regard certain people as "evil," why shouldn't we do something to get rid of them. Seems like a circle that leads right back to Hitler. And Martin Luther, who would have agreed. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- The current New Age system of occult belief will result in the appearance of the real Antichrist foretold in the Bible! As Anton LaVey and other occultists have consistently tried to get all White Magic practitioners to understand, both White and Black Magic serves Satan. So what's your point here, Taylor, that we should reject their superstitions and embrace yours? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
