CS: Pol-gunman kills two and hangs self
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GUNMAN FOUND HANGED AFTER MURDER OF WIFE AND HER MOTHER 111717 JUL 00 By Harriet Tolputt, PA News Police tonight tried to piece together the last movements of a gunman who shot dead his estranged wife and mother-in-law before hanging himself in woods. Officers in Greater Manchester appealed to anyone who saw Christopher Pomeroy, 24, before he murdered his wife Joanne, 24, and her mother Diane Pritchard, 41, at their home in Prestwich. Father-of-three Mr Pomeroy, who was known to police, hijacked a car at gunpoint to flee the crime scene but detectives want to know how he got there. Detective Superintendent Bob Huntbach, who is leading the investigation, asked anyone who witnessed the shooting to come forward. "If you did see anything, however insignificant you think it might be, call police," he urged. The attack happened just after 4pm on Monday at Mrs Pritchard's home in Northurst Drive, where Mrs Pomeroy had being living since the break-up of her marriage. It is believed one of the women opened the door to Pomeroy, of no fixed address, and was shot. Neighbours called police after she staggered out in to the street with a wound to her neck. She was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary where she later died. The other woman was then wounded by shots and later died in the same hospital. Brandishing the gun Pomeroy then hijacked a white Vauxhall Astra on nearby Windsor Road and drove to Abraham Moss where he was found hanging. Tonight the house was still sealed off by police as officers carried out extensive searches. A firearm has already been recovered. Mrs Pritchard, who also has a teenage son, is believed to have run a fast food business called United Snax with her daughter. A neighbour said: "What has happened is shocking. I can't believe it. They were a normal hardworking family." Anyone who can help police should call 0161 856 8213 or Crimestoppers. Kenneth Pantling Nock's Grim Truth - In proportion as you give the State power to do things for you, you give it power to do things to you; and the State invariably makes as little as it can of the one power and as much as it can of the other. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Admin-digest now available
Right, you can now have a digest if you want it, essentially this means that instead of getting a dozen or so emails a day they are all squashed into one email. I expect a lot of you might want this so please bear with me as it will take time to process requests. One important point - if you reply to a digest message with a comment or something that you want sent to the list, MAKE SURE to put in the subject what it is you are replying to. If I get a message with "Re: cybershooters digest #2" or something in the header I may well not have a clue what you are talking about. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-murder victim was offered protection
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MURDERED WIFE WAS OFFERED POLICE PROTECTION 121456 JUL 00 By Jane Merrick, PA News A young woman murdered by her husband had been offered a safe house by police after he threatened to kill her just days before her death, it emerged today. Joanne Pomeroy, 24, was gunned down by her estranged husband Christopher who then shot dead her mother, Diane Pritchard, before hanging himself in nearby woods. The two women activated a panic button when the gunman entered their home in Prestwich, Greater Manchester, but by the time police arrived they were dead. Detectives said today that Pomeroy, also 24, who had been released on licence from prison, had telephoned his estranged wife with a death threat a few days before the killings. It is understood Pomeroy was released five months ago after being jailed for 27 months in July last year for a string of crimes including aggravated burglary and making threats to kill his wife. A warrant was out for his arrest for making the threats to kill and for breaking the conditions of his release from prison. Mrs Pomeroy was offered a safe house in the area but she refused and remained at the house she shared with her mother in Northurst Drive. Police installed a panic button which would alert them if the father-of-three turned up. But on Monday, just after 4pm, one of the women opened the door to Pomeroy, of no fixed address, and was shot. Neighbours called police after she staggered out in to the street with a wound to her neck. She was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary where she later died. The other woman was then wounded by shots and later died in the same hospital. Brandishing the gun, Pomeroy then hijacked a white Vauxhall Astra on nearby Windsor Road and drove to Abraham Moss where he was found hanging. A firearm has already been recovered. Mrs Pritchard, 41, who also has a teenage son, is believed to have run a fast food business with her daughter. A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester police said: "Joanne Pomeroy reported to police that she had received threats to kill her. "She was offered to go to a safe house in Prestwich but refused that offer. "A Home Office panic alarm was installed in her home. "There was a warrant out for the arrest of Christopher Pomeroy for making threats to kill. He was also wanted for breach of his licence from prison." ~~~ Much good did the panic button do them! Kenneth Pantling -- But did they offer her a gun and show her how to use it? Because frankly I am hard pressed to think what else would have stopped a criminal out on license who managed to illegally acquire a firearm so quickly. And is our criminal justice system pathetic or what? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-websites
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Site mentioned on the "sportsman's" www site which is http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/d/26347/ Go see, has lots of comments / info www.cybersurf.co.uk/johnny/dunblane Worth a look Tom C Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Televised target shooting
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professional football, tennis, motorsport, boxing etc on TV does indeed attract a lot of couch potatoes, but professional golf, snooker and darts clearly must be encouraging more participation. I think the general rule to be implied is that the more the equipment costs and the more difficult and/or expensive the facilities are to access the less people will get actively involved. Bearing in mind that a lot of people have gardens and that non-FAC airguns can be used across the bedroom, even, I think that encouraging televising shooting sports is an excellent idea. Looking at the police helicopter video of the Rochdale car-chase shooting case, doubtless everyone said "bad guns!" and nobody said "bad cars!". Logically, they should have been saying "bad men!", shouldn't they? The general idea apart from encouraging participation is that the shooting sports should receive favourable publicity and lots of it and then eventually media logic will improve. Regards Norman Bassett drakenfels.org Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Televised target shooting
From: "Clive Marshall-Purves", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Surely the major players, i.e. the Manufactures, and Importers, could be persuaded to put up a decent JOINT cash prize. UKú 10 û 20 K spread between them as prize monies the venue and publicity would follow fairly easily. The BBC might even take more than a passing interest. A Cynic is what a Romantic calls a Realist. Clive Y2K Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Shooting on TV
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED] On North West Tonight, which is a regional Beeb news program in the early evening. A piece about five minutes long which I think is one of a series on Olympic competitors. This one featured Phil Babb who will be competing in Prone rifle. Bit about when he took it up, fair bit of footage at his club (Appleton) of him practising and giving a brief run through of what it's all about. Totally unbiased, no snide comments and treated as any other sport, all very positive. The clincher though was when the female co-presenter (not a regular viewer so didn't catch her name) said after the item finished that she had qualified as a "pro marksman" in rifle. Quizzed at the end of the show by her partner as to when and how. She got it at a summer school in the States in a scheme run by the NRA. Apart from an "I'd better not upset you" comment this also went by without any raised eyebrows. It's not that long since an admission like that could have been close to professional suicide for a media presenter. Brian T -- Presumably professional suicide would be ending up working for North West TonightG. Still, good to hear about something positive (for a change). Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-advertising
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can advertise gun clubs anywhere. I thought advertising of Firearms and Gun clubs was against the Advertising code of practice unless it was in a Firearms related publication? Jonathan Laws. -- New one by me, and anyway it's a code of practice, not a law. I've seen gun clubs advertising in local papers. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-armed robbers
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Looking at the police helicopter video of the Rochdale car-chase shooting case, doubtless everyone said "bad guns!" and nobody said "bad cars!". Logically, they should have been saying "bad men!", shouldn't they? [...] Well, if the gist of the reported news is such that firearms are being made out to be the premise for the crime, then how many people called into the TV station/s and gave the station manager a considered piece of mind? Sometimes it takes a coordinated effort of many people calling in to make a complaint, especially if you can get your spouse (or whomever) to call in right after you do. If everybody did that, there would automatically be twice as many calls. And, if you encourage the rest of the family to follow suit, well, it's going to appear that the station rolled over to the wrong side of the bed! The antis play this game all the time, and its about time that you used fire to fight fire. But whatever you do, don't threaten to quit watching their shows or their station, because they realize that better than 99 percent of those who say such things won't carry through with that threat. Better to call the companies that pay for the adverts for the shows, and tell them direct about how you feel about their unmitigated effrontery to front for such trip. Cut loose and tell them that you are going to mount a serious boycott of their goods. That usually gets them. The great object in all of this is to first stifle the bad news, and then work on getting the good news to see the light of day. If the antis made it work for them, so can you. We do it here in the US all the time. It does work. ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Red Dawn
From: "Clive Marshall-Purves", [EMAIL PROTECTED] But then "Tremors" did have, a) the best play room I've seen and, b) show a woman of the female persuasion NOT Screaming like a banshee but loading and 'un-loading' better than most men ! A Cynic is what a Romantic calls a Realist. Clive Y2K Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Lawyers and guns
From: SSAA, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have the time, have a look at: http://writ.findlaw.com/commentary/2705_sebok.html Kind regards, Peter Kerin -- This is a brilliant article, too long to stick in an email though - go and have a read. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Dangerous weapons
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Totally off subject - any subject that is! ~~~ Authorities bust up sadomasochistic party in Attleboro by Jose Martinez Wednesday, July 12, 2000 Authorities uncovered a sex party of sadomasochistic dimensions in the unlikeliest of places over the weekend - just across the street from the Attleboro police department. On the fourth floor of a renovated factory building on Union Street, police allegedly discovered dozens of men and women - some nude, some clad in leather and latex - at an S M party that cost $25 a head to enter. ``This building is directly across the street from the police station,'' one source at Attleboro District Court said yesterday. Officials suspect the sexual hijinks may have been going on since February. Charges already have been filed against the New Hampshire man behind the fetish fete and a New York business executive caught spanking another woman, but the investigation is ongoing and could lead to more arrests, police said. Officers estimated 50 or 60 people, ages 29 to 60, attended the party. Stefany Reed, 38, of New York City pleaded not guilty Monday to one count of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. Benjamin Davis, 23, of Hudson, N.H., pleaded not guilty to 13 counts, including assault and battery on a police officer and keeping a house of prostitution. Both were released on $1,000 cash bail, pending a July 26 return to court. Neither Reed nor Davis could be reached for comment. Reed's Providence attorney, Bruce Gladstone, did not return calls. Detectives Timothy Cook and John Otrando checked out the old factory at 37 Union St. about 11 p.m. Saturday with the permission of the landlord. Earlier in the day, a musician who rents a studio in the building had reported $13,000 in equipment had been stolen some time after June 28. The officers made their way up to the fourth floor, where they spotted the party and a woman collecting money at a table. As she tried to hide the money, the officers said they could see people in ``different stages of undress'' through the open door behind her. About that time, police said, Davis confronted the officers in the hallway, allegedly telling the Cook and Otrando to leave the private party unless they had a warrant. When Davis became physical, he was arrested. ``At some point, he basically put a straight arm into Detective Cook, like a football player, knocking him to the ground,'' said the courthouse source familiar with the case. The officers also arrested Reed after spotting her using a large, wooden spatula to paddle the bare rear end of another woman who was lying facedown on a bench and wearing nothing but nylons and a garter belt, the source said. ``The victim's buttocks were noted to be extremely welted, red and oozing blood,'' he said, quoting court papers. Even though the two women appeared to be engaged in a consensual spanking, Massachusetts law bars victims from consenting to felony assault. Police returned with a search warrant, finding eight double-edged knives, whips, chains, other assorted paraphernalia and a sadomasochistic instruction manual laying out the ground rules to be enforced by a so-called ``dungeon master.'' Davis, who had rented several rooms, also faces charges of running a business without a license, furnishing instruments of masturbation, eight counts of carrying a dangerous weapon and being an accessory before the fact of assault. ~ Its the ~ eight counts of carrying a dangerous weapon ~ that gets me! Kenneth Pantling -- How can someone be charged with carrying a dangerous weapon on their own property? Several US states have bans on double-edged knives, I've come across that one before. But carrying one on your premises? Massachusetts is one weird state! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Police Weaponry
From: "Daryll Brownjohn", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone else see the pic in today's (wed) Daily Mail, of the armed policeman covering the Queen Mothers doo at the Abbey? ..It sounds like a Heckler Koch G36K, there are pictures on their website at www.hecklerkoch-usa.com Spot on SteveI looked at the site, and it was the G36K... since when have the Met. had those??? and how much did it cost! Regards... Daryll Brownjohn "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanlysis (1952) -- Good to see the Met have a better procurement policy than the MoD! G36s are less expensive than MP5s or HK 53s and a lot easier to handle than a 53 too. Well less than a grand, probably around L650-750 I would guess. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Televised target shooting
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I don't think they need to be in the hundreds of thousands to encourage competitions, I think a few hundred quid would be more than enough, as opposed to the usual cheap plastic trophyG. The question is, where is the money going to come from? [...] It might take priming the pump, as it were. If the money collected from the participants of a shooting event is used to form the basis for the prizes, and if you can convince those businesses that are uniquely shooting related to kick-in matching funds, then the prize package can amount to a significant value. Quite frankly, I don't understand why companies in your nation aren't self-starting competitive events, as a means of inducing more business. And if they are, obviously it's not enough in scope (otherwise it would not be the object of such discussion). It doesn't take an MBA to figure out that to increase the market share, one of your options is to increase the market size. You apparently have a vast and untapped market. This is a lot of words, and in your current predicament things are going to move slowly, because people will probably be cautious about buying into something that is facing a big threat of being acted against. But, as I see it, you really have no other choice than to turn your ship into the wind and ride the waves. If you can get more people than you have now into your shooting events, well that's just that many more voices come election time and at other times as well. Someone who buys an expensive firearm isn't going to take lightly to another law that screws him or her out of the money and investment of time that would have well produced winning results. So, if that means paying a premium to join a shoot, as part of upping the ante for the public attention it might garner, then the sacrifice is well worth it. Not doing anything is not a viable option, unless your crystal ball says otherwise. What you people need over there is firebrand agitator to stir things up mightily. Mind if I volunteer? ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Prize money.....
From: "jim.craig", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since the discussion seems to be centering round how to attract people into the sport, I'd like to expand a bit on the suggestion from a previous correspondent about the use of airguns. Today's airguns are a far cry from the toy-like guns you may remember from the days of your spotty youth and with bolt-action repeating pre-charged pneumatic rifles and mega-mag scopes to play with most clubs could easily hold open days with non-FAC weapons to bring people in the door and give them a taste of shooting. Outdoors, any range suitable for firearms could be used (50m is pretty well the maximum distance for a 12 ftl lbs air rifle) and since, in terms of trajectory, an airgun pellet will do pretty much the same sort of thing over 50m as a fullbore rifle round will do over 500m, you can see that interesting and challenging courses of fire could easily be established. With reactive targets (knock-downs, chalk discs, even electronic wonders that go bleep when you hit the right spot) a bit of imagination is all that is required. The same is true indoors and at even shorter ranges, with CO2 pistols and rifles fitted with red dot sights and again reactive targets just think of the fun folks could have without the hassle of the legalities associated with firearms use. Believe me if they enjoy themselves, they'll be back and it will be only a matter of time before they show an interest in the other shooting disciplines available and in the meantime having an activeairgun section can be of benefit to the club in many ways other than just attracting new members for other disciplines. As I've said in other postings, airgunners are by far the most numerous of any shooters and it will do the sport nought but good to try and bring them into clubs and associations where they can both enjoy their sport and be part of the fight to defend it. So who'll be the first first firearms club to form an airgun section and use it as a positive recruitment tool and campaigning aide for the sport? Jim Craig Dechmont Airgun Club GLASGOW -- Air pistols have come a long way of late but air rifles don't seem to me to be much different than they did 20 years ago, though I'm not "in" to this sport in that great a detail. Unless of course you splash out for a Walther or Hammerli but obviously a new shooter won't. I often start new shooters off on something like the Walther CP88 at 10 metres (hits at short range breed confidence) the only problem is that there is a bit of a logical disconnect now that handguns are banned. There is no particular reason why a club cannot have a minature rifle range and use .22 rimfires on it, without all the hassle of club probationary periods and so on. I have noticed that .22 rifle shooting is extremely popular on the Isle of Man, I think they won a silver at the last Commonwealth Games. If an island with a population of 70,000 can turn out top class shooters and have an active club league, we should easily be able to get new shooters into it by comparison. We have definitely got to make an effort to get more people shooting. Frankly it's the perfect sport for the couch potato population being raised at present. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
