CS: Legal-Anonymity etc

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember most of the laws enacted after 1936 were in effect edicts from the Nazi party as parliament (the Riechstag) was not debating and passing the laws. What the Nazis did within Germany was suspect legally. What they did in the occupied

CS: Pol-West Mids armed patrols

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do West Midlands Police really think that scattered checkpoints will catch armed criminals and organised drug gangs? I'll take a bet that both had the checkpoints tagged for avoidance 5 minutes after they were set up - the joys of the mobile

CS: Legal-legal responsibilities

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thing is we were and are some of the most law abiding citizens in the country. Remember the march from Hyde Park to Trafalgar Square? The police escorted us there (basically directing traffic) and then all but a very few left, could you imagine

CS: Pol-BBC Radio Wales Programme

2000-08-27 Thread RVMalbon
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our message about the BBC Radio Wales programme was a bit late because we got virtually no advance notification about the programme. We were invited to provide a speaker on Monday afternoon, 14th. August for a broadcast to take place on the 15th. at midday. The

CS: Pol-rallies

2000-08-27 Thread Brian Toller
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone made reference to the poll tax riots earlier. I quite agree, violent protest has, in the past, forced a change in laws. Does anyone think, seriously, that violent protest by firearms owners is going to get a law repealed? Worse still, does anyone

CS: Misc-arwen

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Given the ever increasing police deployment of firearms I suspect the Arwen would be less looked down on now. Regards Jerry Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

CS: Pol-the law and revolutions

2000-08-27 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a sickening burden, because I realised that the law is written by a bunch of morons whose only real objective is to get their name into the history books. I have to slightly disagree with you on this one Steve. It appears to me that the only reason for

CS: Pol-Handgun manufacture in Australia

2000-08-27 Thread jonathan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really cannot see the Australian government allowing a handgun plant in-country (ever) when both AAA and Hilver have already been squeezed out of business by the authorities over there. Nick Steadman What happened to Hilver. I heard they closed but I don't

CS: Target-shooting on TV

2000-08-27 Thread Steven Kendrick
Sky Sports One will be showing the White Gold Cup in clay pigeon shooting in the primetime viewing slot of 8 am on Monday, 11 September. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I

CS: Pol-Should we vote for Chief Constables?

2000-08-27 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a fifty year gap in which the idea of employing "people of high intellect" was replaced by some sort of sandwich course? What happened? Robert, Conspiracy theory has it that Soviet "agents of influence" inside the Home Office changed

CS: Target-Beginners guide

2000-08-27 Thread Brian Toller
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Radio5 every Saturday morning on Adrian Chiles program they have a beginners guide to a sport which, I kid you not, has included such high profile sports as Ferret racing. Finally this morning shooting got a look in or more specifically Olympic

CS: Legal-Once again, Nuremberg

2000-08-27 Thread Jeff Wood
From: "Jeff Wood", [EMAIL PROTECTED] "What is an illegal order? Something somebody else doesnt like? Get real." At this very moment, various Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are being tried for war crimes. Not only those they committed, but those they ordered, and some of the head honchos from the

CS: Misc-Jeff Cooper's Commentaries - Vol. 8, No. 9

2000-08-27 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JEFF COOPER'S COMMENTARIES - Vol. 8, No. 9 Previously Gunsite Gossip DOG DAYS Here at Gunsite the weather is fine. We have had plenty of rain, the fields are green, the tomatoes are ripe, and the cat is busy catching mice. On the other hand,

CS: Legal-Anonymity etc

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is illegal for the police to obey illegal orders yes but once a law is on the statute books it is not illegal to enforce it. Remember much that was prosecuted at Nuremberg were actions that were against the Geneva and Hague conventions on the

CS: Pol-oops again

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] One 'military' storage facility lay inside a sub-division where I served as a police officer. They were constantly reporting items missing. Quite often these are audit or inventory errors. Remember the fire at Radway Green in the early 1980's.

CS: Pol-Should we vote for Chief Constables?

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] How and why there were changes I don't know. Perhaps the Police College web site or the Home Office can shed some light on this. As for the appointed Chief Constables being effective, that's a matter for heated debate. I believe there were many

CS: Legal-Police; a military force.

2000-08-27 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for the police leading a military parade thats usually for traffice control not to show their pre-emienence over the military. Jerry, That is not the only reason IIRC. Formed bodies of troops with fixed bayonets may not enter a town unless

CS: Pol-police

2000-08-27 Thread retlaw
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T wrote Poll Tax! Ring any bells. Sod all would have happened about that without countless demonstrations and possible civil unrest. But thats an example of a govenment seriously p---ing off the majority. Minorities have to make a lot more noise and achieve a

CS: Misc-man held over body found in car

2000-08-27 Thread KiPng
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAN HELD OVER BODY FOUND IN CAR 260436 AUG 10 By Anita Singh, PA News A man has been found shot dead in the back of a car at a travellers' site, police said today. The victim was found with gun shot wounds by officers called to the site in Mildenhall,

CS: Legal-anonymity

2000-08-27 Thread david
From: "david", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The moral being that you win people over by being friendly to them and educating them in the way you want them to think - attack them and you have lost them. Open your minds; you might take three steps forward and suffer four steps back, but keep at it and

CS: Misc-Useful quote

2000-08-27 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some

CS: Legal-Bad Laws

2000-08-27 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If ACPO, the Police Federation etc., not to mention yourself know these laws are bad, why not do something about them? You can go and see your MP, you can make representations to your Federation rep. and so on. It is not as easy as that. Constables are

CS: Misc-police guns

2000-08-27 Thread Jeremy
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is many UK police do have problems hitting the target at 10 yards as we have seen demonstarted several times. Also the carbine is a better intermediate weapon than the shotgun with innocent bystanders around. Well trained police

CS: Legal-Once again, Nuremberg

2000-08-27 Thread John Hurst
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is an illegal order? Something somebody else doesnt like? Get real. IG, An illegal order is one which would result in a breach of law, common or statute, if complied with. As you know doubt know the Constables Oath of Alleigance, which is