Re: Reno DoJ pressures journalist to nail hackers

2000-07-18 Thread Tim May
At 6:53 PM -0400 7/17/00, Steven Furlong wrote: In fact, I interpret the First to mean that government may _not_ decide who's a "legitimate reporter" and who's not, anymore than the First would allow government to decide which religions are "valid" and which are not. If Declan is covered

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Tom Vogt
Gil Hamilton wrote: no, I would definitely NOT argue that last point. however, corporations are established entirely WITHIN the framework of the legal system. it is the legal system that defines what exacatly a corporation is, for example that M$ is one, but the mafia is not. humans are not

Re: New Encryption System for Music (nytimes)

2000-07-18 Thread Tom Vogt
Vin McLellan wrote: In the US, at least, no copyright held by a corporation has been given over to the public domain since WWI -- and, Tom's suggestion to the contrary, there were many of them in corporate hands even then;-) are there any sources for this? None I

Re: Treasury Secretary Summers warns of crypto-anarchy, encryption

2000-07-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:50 AM 7/15/00 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,37573,00.html Is Encryption Tax-Protective? by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3:00 a.m. Jul. 15, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- It used to be FBI Director Louis Freeh who would rail

Re: Re: security software: InTether

2000-07-18 Thread Tom Vogt
Heinz-Juergen 'Tom' Keller wrote: A company called "Ontrack" claimed that they were capable of reading datas on drive after several format. I'm not shure if this was mentioned here before. But there is a suite of tools called secure_delete at the THC site (http://r3wt.base.org). Author:

Digital Commerce Society of DC list started...

2000-07-18 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Some people have started an email discussion list to talk about the possible founding of a Digital Commerce Society of the District of Columbia. You might want to look at the URL, below, for details (such as they are so far), and to sign up. Cheers, Robert

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Gil Hamilton
Tom Vogt writes: Gil Hamilton wrote: So, to take this argument back to its roots: You apparently would argue that the mafia, being a voluntary association NOT established entirely within the framework of the legal system, retains its owners' natural rights to collect, own and use

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Tom Vogt
Gil Hamilton wrote: the fine point is that M$ in return gets rights the mafia has not. so in practice, you're possibly better of the M$ way (the sheer number of corporations proves this). it's just that should the government fall, M$'s "rights" (created by the government) will fall as well.

Guns, Germs, and Steel (was Re: It's called progress...)

2000-07-18 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 9:33 PM -1000 on 7/17/00, Reese wrote: For an even better analysis of why some people make digeri doos and others make F16's see, "Guns, Germs, and Steel: The fates of Human Societies", by Jared Diamond. This book talks about how access to

PALM USER: Lowest price ever on QUICKSHEET - just $29.95

2000-07-18 Thread Cutting Edge Software
Dear cypherpunks, You've tried Quicksheet, the Palm spreadsheet that Tap Magazine has twice called "Product of the Year" for two consecutive years, BUT if price is all that's been keeping you from buying - you've run out of reasons because we have a special offer JUST FOR YOU. We are offering

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Gil Hamilton
Tom Vogt writes: I guess that's just the government demonstrating the point I'm making, namely that it can take away at any time what it has given. it could also be the big bully showing the wannabe bully who's got more muscle. OK, now I've got your definition of "right". It comes from the

Re: FBI listening in on Emails

2000-07-18 Thread spot
On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, zombywuf wrote: 1*misspelling + 1*cut and paste function = 1*complete smeg up Okay so I can't spell and it wasn't eloquent but the point was that echElon has been around for ages monitering the entire worlds telephonic comunication's, but suddenly the FBI have a *new*

Re: Guns, Germs, and Steel (was Re: It's called progress...)

2000-07-18 Thread Peter Gutmann
[This is completely off-topic, but I thought I'd add a few comments] "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: about a society of mostly pacifist, egalitarian hunter-gatherer (the kind you get in resource poor areas, like the Australian outback or the Kalihari) polynesians, The Moriori.

Re: mentality - interesting

2000-07-18 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The "disintermediation" effects insert blather about a "geodesic writing economy" as desired :-). You rang? Hold on, my Rapturous New Age Smile needs a little super glue to stay put... may be very real, but the effect of widespread distribution of words

Re: mentality

2000-07-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:02 AM 7/17/00 -0700, Anonymous wrote: Following this crypto list and spam attacks has interesting side-effects. To us living outside US it is almost unbelieveable what kind of pathetic retards US general public became. Just look at the spam subjects. Petwarmers. Heartwarmers. And don't

Re: Overwriting disks [was security software: InTether] cpunk

2000-07-18 Thread Ulf Möller
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 11:32:21AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: The only factors which rein in this exploitation are speed and cost. A determined, well-funded investigator could remount the platters and attempt to read them using special tools, such as STM probes. However, I'd be really

Kings Trust EnenKio gold bonds

2000-07-18 Thread Robert Moore
Facts = www.enenkio.org AMERCIA REMOVE IT OR PROVE IT ! www.enenkio.org -- A Nation The newest OFCs, e.g., Niue and the Marshall Islands, are now sprouting in remote areas of the world, such as the Pacific. Even more "remote" are mere figments of fertile imaginations such as the Dominion of

Re: mentality - interesting

2000-07-18 Thread Tim May
At 5:41 PM + 7/17/00, matthew gream wrote: 1) Manuel Castells 'The Information Age', and in particular 'The end of the Millenium' and the rise of the 4th world, and the continuing globalisation of society to produce global cultural layer that sits alongside local layers. Actually, I

Universal City Studios v. 2600, Day 1.

2000-07-18 Thread Anonymous
The trial against 2600 Magazine commenced at 9am today (Monday) in the federal court house at 500 Pearl in NYC. Throughout the day, approximately 40 protestors stood behind a police blockade with anti-MPAA and anti-DMCA signs, chanting some great slogans. The court room was packed all day.

Re: Guns, Germs, and Steel (was Re: It's called progress...)

2000-07-18 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 6:11 AM -0400 on 7/19/00, Peter Gutmann, and actual New Zealander :-) wrote: I don't know how well this was presented in the book. Probably better than I did here. :-). A good book, though. I reccommend it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The

The Christian Mythos (was something else)

2000-07-18 Thread Jim Burnes
For the person who asked about Easter: Easter is the Roman Catholic hijacked holiday that was the Pagan festival of Oestre, which is obviously cognate for Easter. Oestre is a Germanic goddess which is the same as (and cognate with) the Mesopotamian godess Ishtar. In their Mythos Ishtar was the

Re: ZFG: Q: How to subscribe to the mailing list anonymously: WRE

2000-07-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:53 AM 7/17/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Assume there is a person who wishes to participate in the mailing list. Assume that person wants to participate via a single email address. They have for all intents and purposes zero technical skill. They are participating via a PPP dial-up through a

Re: how EXACTLY does this protect privacy?

2000-07-18 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 08:27 +0200 7/18/00, Tom Vogt wrote: I maintain that the owners have given up their personal rights in exchange for government-created corporate rights. as long as the government is stable, that is usually a good deal. Ahhh, but that, as they say, is not how the game is played. You don't

Re: Universal City Studios v. 2600, Day 1.

2000-07-18 Thread Declan McCullagh
I just skimmed the below, but it seems a very nice writeup. My general-audience pieces from yesterday and today are at wired.com. -Declan On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 09:11:02PM +0200, Anonymous wrote: The trial against 2600 Magazine commenced at 9am today (Monday) in the federal court house at

Re: Tamper-resistant PC hardware

2000-07-18 Thread Paul Holman
I am in the unfortunate situation of having to run a server in a machineroom which I don't completely trust. Some folks at the Cypherpunks meetings have been working on projects using the Dallas Semi iButton, which is a cheap FIPS140-1 Level 1 certified hardware security device. You can get

Re: Tamper-resistant PC hardware

2000-07-18 Thread Brad Guillory
It doesn't really matter what you do. Attacker could always kill power to your case, open it, and or your hard drive. After that the game is over. The only thing that I could think of is to install a battery power tamper detector which would fry the hd on detection. I know that OpenBSD

Re: Re: Tamper-resistant PC hardware

2000-07-18 Thread tpurdy
On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:48:15 CDT, you wrote: As far as tamper resistant PC hardware... it sounds like you are looking for something like Microsoft's SYSKEY ability to render the OS usless without a type of bootable key (Floppy and/or password). Even if you were to install such a program your

Re: Tamper-resistant PC hardware

2000-07-18 Thread Mark Allyn
Can you put the machine in your basement with an encrypted VPN over a DSL connection? Then you will have physical security that you can trust? Mark

Re: Tamper-resistant PC hardware

2000-07-18 Thread Scot Scot
As far as tamper resistant PC hardware... it sounds like you are looking for something like Microsoft's SYSKEY ability to render the OS usless without a type of bootable key (Floppy and/or password). Even if you were to install such a program your would be attacker would be able to circumvent

Feds may update wiretap law for e-mail

2000-07-18 Thread Secret Squirrel
Feds may update wiretap law for e-mail By Ted Bridis, WSJ Interactive Edition July 18, 2000 6:58 AM PT URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2604731,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 WASHINGTON -- The White House is urging changes in U.S. law to make it easier for authorities to eavesdrop