Re: The Ungoverned, or at least Unprotected (was Re: NSA

2000-10-20 Thread Tim May
At 12:14 AM -0700 10/20/00, petro wrote: At 1:39 PM -0400 10/18/00, Tim May wrote: There's also a very scarce compilation of "The Peace War" and "Marooned in Realtime" which is called "Across Realtime." It contains "The Ungoverned" in between the two novels. Good luck in finding it, though.

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:17:17PM -0700, petro wrote: Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As I said before, we are already seeing this

Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people, he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him? He's not getting spam. He's been subscribed to the cypherpunks list by someone. OK.

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Two Things: 1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in crypto-anarchy. (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them anonymous digital cash to go away). There

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 9:11 PM -0500 10/18/00, Neil Johnson wrote: Two Things: 1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in crypto-anarchy. (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them

Re: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Another socialist simp-wimp heard from. Lots of socialists to be dealt with and disposed of. I wonder who will stoke the furnaces? Not very many if enough of us "simp-wimps" gather enough e-cash to create our own "Imprisonment Betting Pool". I think languishing in jail with life-mate

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Tim May wrote: At 11:38 PM -0400 10/18/00, Steve Furlong wrote: At most, an insurance company would have some information Bob didn't have. Bob could reasonably demand a copy of the results of his DNA test. ... If the insurance company refused, he could shop elsewhere. Or self-insure,

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Most insurance companies are worth millions, if not billions, of dollars, and they make huge profits. Insuring all of the people that they now deny based on genetic abnormalities would still allow them to make decent profits. So? Where is it mandated that they cover those? In

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
This is why the current American system where virtually everyone's insurance pays for virtually every visit to the doctor is such a bad idea. People should be paying for their ordinary, year-in year-out health care. Insurance should only enter the picture if The system only works

Re: Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Neil Johnson wrote: But the Bob has no control of his risk (genetics), or at least not yet :). The insurance company does. Say What?! Sorry, no insurance company has the power to say who is and is not born with particular genetics. I don't have a problem with insurance

Re: Tim May's anti-semitic rants

2000-10-20 Thread petro
This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants. He's bashing a completely facist and dictatorial country of which a sizeable number of citizens are completely willing to commit genocide of the very same kind that was once waged against them. I cannot

Re: It's all property, folks

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Your neighbor pollutes your lungs or your land and you don't know what to do about it? Shit man, get real -- $5 bucks worth of gasoline and a midnight stroll takes care of his house, him, and his family. Burning someones house down is *REALLY* bad for the air and land around the

Re: Tim May's anti-semitic rants

2000-10-20 Thread Tom Vogt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Typical of May to wish that those who he hates be nuked, but please don'tt let it effect his portfolio. so? in that respect he's a great relief from all the "houlier than thou" "for the chiiildren" pseudo-moralists. in the end, nobody cares if he's not affected.

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Re: [spam score 10.00/10.0 -pobox] Re: A way to discourage advertising

2000-10-20 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 2:45 PM -0700 on 10/19/00, Bill Stewart wrote: "teergrube" Cool. An email version of the spider-trap somebody built at Sandia 4 or 5 years ago. Teergrube means "tarpit", right? Marvellous, just marvellous. Hang out on this list, you learn something, even if everyone knows it before you

Re: Tim May's anti-semitic rants

2000-10-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
Right. While I feel some sense of moral obligation to feel compassion for victims of genocide in Africa, the reality is that traffic in downtown Washington affects me more. To paraphrase: One person dying is a tragedy One million dying is a statistic One billion lost in NASDAQ value is a

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Marshall Clow
At 2:11 PM +0300 10/20/00, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Marshall Clow wrote: So these people are entitled to something for nothing? (or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)? Why? Because keeping people operable longer makes for net savings for the society?

Encryption export rules finalized

2000-10-20 Thread George
See: http://www.pscu.com/Newsbytes/2000/156920.html http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/body/0,1634,500270563-500421503-502621147-0,00.html

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: FirstMonday August 2000)

2000-10-20 Thread Bob Jueneman
Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky is falling" syndrome. It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up completely breaking RSA, or that some way would be found to

Word.

2000-10-20 Thread George
Of course all of us knew this. The article is good for explaining to non-technical friends. http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB972002214791170991.htm October 20, 2000 Electronic Form of 'Invisible Ink' Inside Files May Reveal Secrets By MICHAEL J. MCCARTHY Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Me
From: "Nathan Saper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So these people are entitled to something for nothing? (or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)? That's the whole idea of insurance, isn't it? The point of insurance is to pool resources and spread risk; it isn't a ponzi scheme. If

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 02:30:40AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: Nathan Saper wrote: On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:02:44AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: Nathan Saper wrote: Nathan seems to be arguing that insurance companies should be forced

Re: Paranoid Encryption Standard (was Re: Rijndael Hitachi)

2000-10-20 Thread Bram Cohen
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: I read the Massey and Maurer paper (One can find it at http://www.isi.ee.ethz.ch/publications/isipap/umaure-mass-inspec-1993- 1.pdf ) and I have a couple of comments on it. This is just silly. There's nothing wrong with Rijndael. -Bram Cohen

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:26:48PM -0500, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 22:42 -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: Coverage is most often less expensive than care. Therefore, one may be able to afford the coverage, but not afford the care, if it ends up

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-20 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 11:50 AM -0600 10/20/2000, Bob Jueneman wrote: Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky is falling" syndrome. It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up completely

Re: Word.

2000-10-20 Thread jim bell
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 13:29 PM Subject: Word. Of course all of us knew this. The article is good for explaining to non-technical friends. http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB972002214791170991.htm

Cost to break 1024-bit PGP (RSA) in 1997?

2000-10-20 Thread jim bell
I need an estimate of the cost to break a 1024-bit PGP key in 1997, given then-existing algorithms and hardware, etc. Jim Bell

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2000-10-20 Thread Tito Singh
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