Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
One industry's terrorism is another man's Napster. True, there's little hope of being able to challenge all these laws in court, and even if possible, the Supreme Court is not that likely to see things through cpunx lenses. (There's also a side issue of legitimizing groups that don't always

Re: RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-25 Thread Sunder
Ernest, what kind of fascist or socialist country do you think you're living in? Haven't you learned anything from the likes of our John Young? This is the USA the last time I checked. The government can't legally force you to do things and keep your mouth shut. Can you imagine how much more

RE: RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-25 Thread Ernest Hua
Title: RE: RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony Amazing ... one minute I'm accused of being a cop ... the next minute I'm accused of living in a fascist country ... I suppose, logically speaking, there is a corner case where both could be true. As a friend once said, On the Internet

Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-24 Thread Bill Stewart
Matt's testimony is http://www.crypto.com/papers/opentap.html , including a paper by Steve Bellovin and Matt Blaze on "Open Source Wiretapping". FBI PRESSURED TO DISCLOSE SYSTEM CODE - [Wall Street Journal, A6.] The Federal Bureau of Investigation is under increasing pressure to disclose the

Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-24 Thread Tim May
At 7:02 PM -0700 7/24/00, sunder wrote: IMHO, this is the wrong fucken tactic. We shouldn't bother pressuring them to release source code. Fuck the source code. We should force them to remove said carnivores rather than demand inspection. They have no business on any network. They are the

RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-24 Thread Ernest Hua
Title: RE: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony It's hopeless. Only technology, and terrorism, will work. ^ Ahem ... trying to feed Carnivore? The biggest lesson the FBI has learned is that they should have kept this damn thing secret. Slap secrecy orders on everyone. Make 'em sign

Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-24 Thread David Lesher
High point was the unlikely allies. In the words of a journalist I know: seeing Nadler and Barr on the same side almost made my head split open. -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless

Re: Re: Carnivore - Matt Blaze testimony

2000-07-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
Jim, I think, with respect, you completely understand Tim's point. Democracy is a political process. Tim is advising precisely the opposite -- direct action and monkeywrenching the political process. That you haven't picked this up after years here is interesting. Or perhaps you were making a