Re: Natural rights (was Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty)

2000-10-01 Thread James A.. Donald
-- I and most others on this list utterly reject that crap. As James Donald's .sig used to say (and maybe still does) "We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are." Still does in the newsgroups. For technical reasons I am not

Natural rights (was Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty)

2000-09-29 Thread Gil Hamilton
Sampo Syreeni writes: Actually I s ub scribe to neither view. I see rights as something that do not naturally exist, but are purely a societal product, subject to change through redefinition. Whether this happens because the government effects it or if the people start to view something as an

Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty

2000-09-27 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Gil Hamilton wrote: And if your neighbours are simply malignant? Since when did people need a reason to harm each other? Then, too bad. They haven't *done* anything to you. A distinction without a difference, I say. Yep. That would be my point. This sounds deceptively

Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty (was: Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds)

2000-09-26 Thread Gil Hamilton
Sampo Syreeni writes: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, David Honig wrote: Exclusion harms you only if it bugs you ---you have to want to be a homosexual atheist boyscout for their exclusion to matter. Non-consensual violence always harms. I do not agree. I think shunning harms you regardless, if it