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Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net
fogstorm wrote: So if an Australian puts it on his web site can the German government sue for copyright infringement? Can they prosecute for violation of their anti Nazi laws? If a German citizen views it in Amsterdam can his government prosecute when he returns home? they'll most likely try to, if only to avoid some left-wing magazine headline along the lines of "german government allows nazi propaganda to remain online". there will be NO prosecution for "viewing" it. almost everyone over 60 may have read the damn book, and lots of copies are still around (many people got one for their marriage or other events, and keep them as memoralia(sp?)). this ain't thought-police. you are perfectly free to read this thing. AFAIK you aren't allowed to sell it, but that's it.
For Sale,Docket No.99-80106 and,or the U.S.Constitution
Why was the State of California vs.Mr.O.J. Simpson"allege" Trial of the Century such a mockery of justice ? The contents thats associated with Docket No.99-80106 of the,U.S.Court Of"Appeals"For The "Ninth Circuit" provides the answer !!! Not only do you have proof of statutory crimes that undermines the goverment,by california legislation.but there is proof as to how,federal judges "still obstruct justice" to cover up for the legislation that is in Sacremento,Ca. Which former governor,P.Wilson,former state attorney general,D.Lungren,(Ca.state dept.of justice),the state's"corrupt"supreme court justices,former speaker of the state legislator,now Da Mayor of San Francisco,Ca. the Hon.Judge Ito, Mr.J. Cochron,(Amend.VI),all conspired to obstruct justice to cover up for the state legislation,(thats still in Sacremento,Ca. Smile !!!),that abrogates the Bill of Rights. The documentation that is associated with Docket No.99-80106 gets better and,or the facts,"evidence" and law proves the roles of non other than the,U.S.Dept.of Justice,(Frist Lady,H.R.Clinton"Esquire" her inlaws,U.S.Sen. B.Boxer and spouse,(Boxer,Elkind, Gerson), Madam Atty.Gen.,Reno,U.S.Atty.,M.Yamaguchi or several Assist.U.S.Attorneys,the F.B.I.),U.S. Senator, D. Feinstein,U.S.Congressmen,B.Lee,the Sec.of H U D.Mr.A.Cuomo,(state dept of justice,state superior court judges,of Case No.763049-9 of the Alameda County Superior Court !),in "illegal' conspiracies to obstruct justice,to hinder the prosecution of, U.S.Senator,B.Boxer,(the inlaws of the Frist lady), for her roles in "multiple violations" of "federal" and state laws,by statutory crimes,the aborgations of the Bill of Rights,where federal and state judges conspire to protect those that betray the U.S.Constitution. Where law enforcement obstuct justice to cover up,"illegal' conspiracies to plot,Manslaughter,Mureder, "Legal Malice",by law,by legislation !!! No wonder the allege Trial of the Century was a lark,as the public cannot be made aware of the betrayals of the U.S.Constitution by laws,which the Justices of the U.S.Court of"Appeals' For The "Ninth Circuit",subverts their sworn oaths and the U.S.Constitution to cover up !!! Yet the facts associated with Docket No.99-80106 of the,U.S.Court of "Appeals" For The "Ninth Circuit" and the legislation,(Smile !),that is still available in Sacremento,Ca. proves ! Mrs B.Boxer,(U.S.Senator,former,U.S. Congresswomen,the inlaw of the Frist Family of the United States !),is a very Evil and Corrupt person. Not everyone can get a Frist Lady of the U.S., the U.S.Dept.of Justice, Federal Judges, to assist in obstucting justice !!! Smile, which again abrogates the Bill of Rights and,or Amendment 14 sec.1 "?" Sincerely Ronald K.Booker States,(Ca.),W.C.A.B.,No.Oak.0176038,"1992"
Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)
At 9:56 PM -0800 on 12/5/00, Greg Broiles wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:16:03PM -0800, Tim May wrote: The legal fight over whether the monitor was legal and whether the information so obtained are in fact records of criminal activity is a side-show. It remains practical evidence of how insecure computer equipment / OS's and pass-phrase based identity authentication combine to reduce the effective security of a system. I fully support this comment that the whole issue of "legality" is a "side show." Exactly - not every attacker represents law enforcement, Right. My own personal opinion is that the more *money* is controlled with cryptography and moved/stored on the internet, the stronger those technologies will become, and, unfortunately, not for any other reason. Like Whit Diffie has said, "cyberwar" will be "fought" by businesses, and not nation-states. Government black-bag jobs are just one of many kinds of theft... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: Knowing your customer
A minor clarification: The formal proposal known as "Know Your Customer" was withdrawn (see my back articles on that topic). But other regulations in the same vein require banks to require ID. -Declan On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:18:53AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:40:08PM -, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: Payee traceability had nothing to do with it. Every customer of MTB, whether an end user or a merchant, had to fully identify himself to the bank, including SSN and for merchants, type of business, etc. This is SOP for other payment systems like credit cards. It was on this basis that MTB was able to screen their merchants. No payee tracing was necessary. A fully untraceable cash system would have been equally amenable to merchant screening. Any vendor has the right to control whom it does business with, and MTB chose to exercise its discretion in this way. I don't know if MTB had a lot of discretion - banks are subject to the federal "know your customer" regulations. You can't get depositor anonymity from a bank chartered in the US, at least not without at least one level of corporate indirection (e.g., the bank "knows its customer" who is a domestic or foreign closely-held corp, who does the bidding of its unidentified-to-the-bank-and-FINCEN shareholders). The Texas couple in the news recently made a different choice and decided to provide payment services for child pornographers, as James Donald recommends. Now MTB is still in business (after merging with MTL and then FSR) and the Texans are in jail. Which made a better choice? Sounds like the Texans knew too much about their customers - if they operated a content-neutral service which had many, many customers, one of whom happened to be a child-porn service, they'd be doing fine, especially if they shut off the child porn people if/when notified by law enforcement of the activity. Does the FBI shut down AOL and Earthlink when their subscribers traffic in child porn? -- Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 897 Oakland CA 94604
Re: Knowing your customer
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:07:57PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: A minor clarification: The formal proposal known as "Know Your Customer" was withdrawn (see my back articles on that topic). But other regulations in the same vein require banks to require ID. I'm not a banking law geek, but I believe that there are federal regs in place known as "know your customer" rules which apply to depository institutions like banks, credit unions, etc - the regs which were withdrawn would have required NBFI's (non-bank financial institutions) to comply with similar rules, as they're sometimes used instead of banks to avoid the KYC rules. Or am I thinking of something else? -- Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 897 Oakland CA 94604
Re: Re: About 5yr. log retention
Jim Choate blindly wrote: What law? The law was quoted just below the citation we provided: 18 USC 2703(f). The news report quotation exactly matches what the law says about preservation. Not that you'll read it but here it is again: Here's the source for news story report about data preservation requirement: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/COEFAQs.htm Preservation is not a new idea; it has been the law in the United States for nearly five years. 18 U.S.C. 2703(f) requires an electronic communications service provider to "take all necessary steps to preserve records and other evidence in its possession pending the issuance of a court order or other process" upon "the request of a governmental entity." This applies in practice only to reasonably small amounts of specified data identified as relevant to a particular case where the service provider already has control over that data. Similarly, as with traditional subpoena powers, issuance of an order to an individual or corporation to produce specified data during the course of an investigation carries with it an obligation not to delete or destroy information falling within the scope of that order when that information is in the persons possession or control. - And here is the law cited by the DoJ FAQ: From the US Code via GPO Access: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aaces002.html 18 USC 2703(f) (f) Requirement To Preserve Evidence.-- (1) In general.--A provider of wire or electronic communication services or a remote computing service, upon the request of a governmental entity, shall take all necessary steps to preserve records and other evidence in its possession pending the issuance of a court order or other process. (2) Period of retention.--Records referred to in paragraph (1) shall be retained for a period of 90 days, which shall be extended for an additional 90-day period upon a renewed request by the governmental entity. - Now, remember, "evidence" is what law-industry promoters call what civilians call "information." Evidence is used to force subservience to the law-industry. Information is used to fight those narrow-mindfuckers. So, Jim, stop calling information evidence unless you're bragging about fucking your peabrain.
RE: iPaq
There's also a Linux port, if you want to kid yourself that you're going to check the OS security yourself. Peter Trei -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: iPaq The device has extension ports that allow PCMCIA and Compact Flash. These adapters are in the $50 range. There are wireless modems available but they're fairly pricey : ~$350 for the modem, $50.month for the service. All in all it looks pretty good. Schematics/specs open, Linux/X already ported. The specs are reasonable ( unlike Palm ) it's a 206MHz ARM9, USB, Audio, 320x240x12bit display, 16Mb FLASH, 32Mb DRAM if I recall correctly. Throw in a 512Mb IBM microdrive, CFS, it's not bad. Looks like the most secure option to me. Gateway SW over USB ( even for M$ OS ) shouldn't be too tough. I guess you could trust an M$ machine to handle already encrypted packets.
Re: Knowing your customer
At 9:04 AM -0800 on 12/6/00, Greg Broiles wrote: Or am I thinking of something else? You're thinking of something else, but you're close enough. For instance, there are laws in most jurisdictions about requiring a social security number to open a bank account, for any of a number of reasons including credit checks, and checks on how many, um, negative-funded, bank accounts you might have hanging out there before you opened this one. More to the point, since interest is taxable income for individuals, and a tax deductible expense for corporations, social security numbers are required in order to pay you interest. [And, yes, Duncan may be right, you might be able to spoof an SSN at them somehow, but I don't know anyone who's actually done it, admitted it in any public detail, and not been somehow razzed legally for it.] Kind of reminds me of TEFRA, in 1993 or so, which outlawed bearer bonds by making interest payable on them "non-tax-deductible" (taxable, for those in Palm Beach County). [The answer to this "lie to the government, don't get a bank account" problem, which any persistent cypherpunk subscriber knows, is, of course, to have payment systems which don't *need* physical identity for non-repudiation of transactions and the subsequent requirement of the force of a nation-state to make settlement risk manageable: bearer certificates based on cryptographic protocols like blind signatures, which will, frankly, only *really* be possible, soup-withdrawl to nuts-deposit, when a bearer currency issue is *itself* reserved by other digital bearer assets, instead of just a book-entry account somewhere.] Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Knowing your customer
Oh, and the proposed KYC rules would have required banks to go further than requiring ID (other current rules, as you say, require that) and try to determine source of funds, etc. -Declan You're thinking of something slightly different. The Fed-Treasury-FDIC action that caused so much fuss would have made "suggested" KYC rules that apply to banks mandatory. Here's the federal register notice abandoning the propsed KYC regs: http://www.politechbot.com/p-00315.html -Declan
RE: Hello, You're Dead
At 11:50 AM 12/6/00 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: [ukcrypto and Perry's list deleted] Dave Del Torto[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/phone001205.html "...Hitting the 5, 6, 7 and 8 buttons on the phone gun fires four .22-caliber rounds in quick succession. ..." The article goes on to say that the Men With Guns may now take reaching for a cell phone as adequate excuse to kill you. Guess you don't get your One Phone Call To Your Lawyer any more... Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:
From reading the docs at EPIC, it is not clear that the FBI actually got data from the planted device. The USA application dated June 8 asks for a supplemental order of extension of time in order to break in and remove the device. This need was caused by Scarfo's unexpected removal of the equipment. We have not been presented with the initial USA application and the initial order, at least not that I've seen. Interesting possibilities are: 1. The FBI is bluffing that it got incriminating data and is using the applications and orders as window dressing or camouflage to hide their failure. Or to hide that they got evidence some other way. 2. The FBI captured some stuff but is faking the rest. 3. Scarfo discovered the device, or suspected it, and removed the equipment in order to sanitize it, or even planted his own device aimed at the feds. Say he rigged a program to endlessly type "fuck you," Or played Bin Laden's taunts. He's a fair comp whiz so all sorts of good stuff may have happened. 4. If Scarfo got the device, by now defenses against it have been deployed, maybe even generated a tidy black market for those who want to snoop and/or snarl the feds by redirecting their own devices.
Re: hi
At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha Daer Reciever Rasha, i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. --tim -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
RE: hi
Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha Daer Reciever Rasha, i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. --tim Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] Peter
RE: hi
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Trei, Peter wrote: Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] For some reason I am reminded of a line from the movie _A Shoggoth On The Roof_ (yes, there is such a beastie.): "Every one of us has a shoggoth on the roof. Not a metaphorical shoggoth, but a REAL Shoggoth! And how does he stay there you might ask? TENTACLES!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen| to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
RE: hi
At 7:48 PM -0500 12/6/00, Trei, Peter wrote: Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha Daer Reciever Rasha, i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. --tim Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] First, this is not how I satirize uneducated--or even educated--blacks. I didn't use any ebonics code words, nor did I mention niggaz, crack hoes, or welfare entitlements. Rasha sounds like the typical illiterate student who has to take remedial English upon her arrival at Beaver College. I had a roommate in college who was one of these types, having to take the equivalent of "English for Dummies." He couldn't spell, he couldn't construct a sentence, and he couldn't read worth a damn. And that was 29 years ago. At a UC campus. I expect that standards have declined even further since then, especially as college has now become just an extension of high school. In fact, I expect that a lot of places like Beaver College, Lower Ohio River Valley State College, and Yankton Practical University are all being swamped by illiterate and innumerate students who barely graduated from their already-abysmal high schools. When a university education is an entitlement, gud stuends like Rasha are the result. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
Re: IP: ASIO cleared to hack into computers [NO COMMENT cept hope it does happen here djf]
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Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: hi
What kind of fucking mailing list is this? - Original Message - From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: hi Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: hi
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: What kind of fucking mailing list is this? No, I'm sorry. If you wanted a fucking mailing list you're in the wrong place. There are plenty of lists devoted to fucking, but this isn't one of them. This list is devoted to cryptography and its geopolitical implications. Sorry about the mixup. Bear, Mildly annoyed by mindless dweebs who use "fucking" as though it meant something bad
Re: My plan to deal with subpoenas to testify
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:08:13PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Actually, I remember someone saying during the Parker case that a government travel office would make all travel and lodging arrangements. My memory is hazy, but I believe this is correct. The form was for incidentals like cab fare, meals,etc. -Declan
RE: hi
At 05:14 PM 12/6/00 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: For some reason I am reminded of a line from the movie _A Shoggoth On The Roof_ (yes, there is such a beastie.): "Every one of us has a shoggoth on the roof. Not a metaphorical shoggoth, but a REAL Shoggoth! And how does he stay there you might ask? TENTACLES!" YOW! Where can I find it? (Or how do I keep the Shoggoth from finding me?)(Oh. Not mentioning its name.)(Oh..) ]-9028iu3r =EQ-WSD9A0fc8zuedxtg v-=]3wr14508eux[;colf8itjmkqsvA] zx=]F\QSF*$q(*iztfg v\3-=Wqa(zidxcz0po[ikf]3-wpe[o04pirdfx=[] 0-p3iwsdARECfo0jygvh5]-9r3ud -g]94yut793]1q vt57575758yrtg043=qierg[vkrc kc=re[dsqaacdrsxz~~~
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Re: hi
I'll guarantee you one thing, nobody on this list knows a damn thing about fucking. You've come to the wrong place. MacN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: What kind of fucking mailing list is this? - Original Message - From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: hi Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: hi
What does this look like, homework "R" us?! Please enlighten us as to which university you are going to, so we can forward your mail to the English department: it sounds like they could use a good housecleaning. As for seatbelts: I would suggest that you never use one yourself--perhaps we can all be so lucky as to see you dead on the side of the road. Perhaps we could even hold a cotillion on your grave. On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hi
Amateur ;P~~~ 1 for effort, but 0 for style. On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: What kind of fucking mailing list is this? - Original Message - From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: hi Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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