Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-06 Thread Tom Vogt
Gil Hamilton wrote: Hence, the obvious solution is to make it *cost money to send mail* (or to use any other network resource). Combine that with automated reputation handling -- charge a small fee to accept mail from "unknown" parties -- and this both reduces spam and shifts the cost of

Re: Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-05 Thread jim bell
- Original Message - From: Alex B. Shepardsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Kevin Elliott wrote: You know, I don't like spammers any more than the next guy, but come on. Unethical? we're not talking genocide and it's not like it We ought to be. If spammers feared

Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread Tom Vogt
Kevin Elliott wrote: You know, I don't like spammers any more than the next guy, but come on. Unethical? we're not talking genocide and it's not like it cause significant (heck, even measurable) harm. as a matter of fact, it does. the quantity of it, you know. if your 1 mio spam mails cause

Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Tom Vogt wrote: You know, I don't like spammers any more than the next guy, but come on. Unethical? we're not talking genocide and it's not like it cause significant (heck, even measurable) harm. as a matter of fact, it does. the quantity of it, you know. if your 1 mio

Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread Tom Vogt
Sampo A Syreeni wrote: I think it's more about the principle of it. No sane, sensible, tolerant person would go as far as to try to regulate spam. Or, indeed, UBE-friendly ISPs. But bulk mailing is such reprehensible behavior that it surely deserves a pile of social and technological

RE: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread James Wilson
TECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:40 PM To: James Wilson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers At 07:40 -0800 11/1/00, James Wilson wrote: If any of you get services from ATT you might want to start looking for a more ethical carrier (if on

Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread Tim May
At 11:36 AM -0800 11/3/00, Bill Stewart wrote: (about ATT knowingly supporting Spam sites) Fortunately, somebody got this to the right people at ATT; otherwise I was going to have to contact the Sales VP (Hovancak) whose name was on the contract and ask him to find the sales rep who got

Re: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:40 AM 11/1/00 -0800, James Wilson wrote: If any of you get services from ATT you might want to start looking for a more ethical carrier (if one exists) - ATT has been caught red handed hosting spammers and promising not to terminate their services. -Original Message- From: Spam

RE: FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-03 Thread Gil Hamilton
James Wilson writes: Does shifting the cost of millions of dollars every month on to other businesses, individuals and governments qualify as "significant (heck, even measurable) harm"? Yes. Spam is VERY EXPENSIVE -- this document explains why...

FW: BLOCK: ATT signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-01 Thread James Wilson
If any of you get services from ATT you might want to start looking for a more ethical carrier (if one exists) - ATT has been caught red handed hosting spammers and promising not to terminate their services. - James D. Wilson, CCDA, MCP "non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"