Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Neil Johnson wrote: It's not a zero-sum game for the insurance companies. Most insurance companies make quite a bit of money investing premiums. Yes, and so could their clients if not doing business with the insurance companies. In addition, they spread the risk. They

Re: The Ungoverned, or at least Unprotected (was Re: NSA

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 1:10 PM -0400 10/18/00, Harmon Seaver wrote: Speaking of "The Ungoverned", I've been looking for it, can't find it in libraries, Amazon, or Bibliofind, so I'm thinking that it was in a collection? Does anyone know which? It's in one of the two paperback collections of Vinge's short

Re: The Ungoverned, or at least Unprotected (was Re: NSA

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 1:39 PM -0400 10/18/00, Tim May wrote: At 1:10 PM -0400 10/18/00, Harmon Seaver wrote: Speaking of "The Ungoverned", I've been looking for it, can't find it in libraries, Amazon, or Bibliofind, so I'm thinking that it was in a collection? Does anyone know which? It's in one of the

Re: I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-20 Thread petro
... Usenet and mailing lists were usable by the cognoscenti from the mid-80s up to the "modern age." Using gopher and Archie and anonymous ftp was for the cognoscenti only, though. Not much fun for ordinary folks. This obviously all changed around 1994, with Mosaic/Netscape. "Point and

Re: Anyone know easy symmetric cypher for perl?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 12:24 AM 10/19/00 -0700, Petro wrote: I need a perl module or a function that would perform symmetric key encryption/decryption. I need it to encode secret information in URLs. Thanks I thought you were brighter than that Igor.

Re: CDR: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-20 Thread Bill Stewart
Both of those arguments are incorrect. Anonymous has no business telling us how anarchic we can be :-) If people want to voluntarily engage in hierarchical relationships, that's still anarchy. And you can still have leaders in anarchies - it's just that if they screw up and find there's nobody

RE: I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-20 Thread Bill Stewart
Most computers in 1986 weren't up to it. Many of us were using Apple II computers with something like 278x192 resolution (in single hi res mode). Imagine such a beast doing networking. Ick. I was using dumb terminals (initially HP; later ATT VT100 clones). Much better resolution than PCs,

Re: CDR: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?) cpunk

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Who is to blame for hurricanes? "God", but so far he seems rather judgement proof. Haiti, for not stopping them before they reach Florida? Who is to blame for a bee flying into your mouth while you are driving? (which, if you've never had it happen, leads quickly to a car crash)

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Marshall Clow wrote: So these people are entitled to something for nothing? (or in this case, $1500 of treatment for $1000 of premiums)? Why? Because keeping people operable longer makes for net savings for the society? This perhaps isn't a reason for *private* companies

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-20 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, R. A. Hettinga wrote: How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the "tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to many cattle is the example

I.R.S. Seeks Credit Card Slips

2000-10-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/20/business/20BANK.html October 20, 2000 - New York Times (front page) Taking Aim at Tax Havens, I.R.S. Seeks Credit Card Slips By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON The Internal Revenue Service, struggling against Caribbean havens it suspects of

RE: Rep. Armey questions Justice Department review of Carnivore

2000-10-20 Thread Diamond, Richard
If you'd like, forward this to the cypherpunks list (if it rejects submissions from non-members). Mr. Armey told the Washington Post that he thought Carnivore was illegal. That should answer the question quite sufficiently, I think. But I might as well add the justification: "The American

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: FirstMonday August 2000)

2000-10-20 Thread Ed Gerck
Bob Jueneman wrote: Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky is falling" syndrome. It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up completely breaking RSA, or that some

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 10:23:25PM -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: At 10:07 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 10:01:20PM -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: At 9:27 PM -0700 10/18/00, Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:23:19AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: Nathan Saper wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 06:36:52PM -0700, Tim May wrote: "What if nobody will sell Bob the food he wants for the price he is willing or able to pay? Then

Paranoid Encryption Standard (was Re: Rijndael Hitachi)

2000-10-20 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 8:13 PM -0400 10/11/2000, John Kelsey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 01:44 PM 10/10/00 -0400, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: ... I was thinking it might be useful to define a "Paranoid Encryption Standard (PES)" that is a concatenation of all five AES finalists, applied in

NYT Account Request

2000-10-20 Thread NYTimes.com
You have requested your ID and password for The New York Times on the Web. Please follow the instructions below. If you have any questions or problems, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please DO NOT REPLY to this message. 1. Please make a note of your subscriber ID: sciferpunk 2. Next, to change

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 12:38:12PM +, Gil Hamilton wrote: Nathan Saper gropes: On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:02:44AM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: Nathan Saper wrote: Nathan seems to be arguing that insurance companies should be forced

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 12:25:55PM -0700, David Honig wrote: At 05:48 PM 10/18/00 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote: So are you saying that there is nothing wrong with the government doing the corporations' dirty work? A govt has an obligation to

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:23:32AM -0700, petro wrote: Most insurance companies are worth millions, if not billions, of dollars, and they make huge profits. Insuring all of the people that they now deny based on genetic abnormalities would

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Marshall Clow wrote: Because keeping people operable longer makes for net savings for the society? That's a nice belief. Can you show it to be true? In a society where a significant part of an individual's life is spent nonproductively and high productivity generally means

Re: why should it be trusted?'

2000-10-20 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 04:14:29PM -0400, Matt Elliott wrote: As to care, as I've said a lot before, care is most often more expensive than coverage. Clearly this can't be true or every health insurance company would be going out of business.

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-20 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 11:50 AM -0600 10/20/2000, Bob Jueneman wrote: Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky is falling" syndrome. It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up completely

Re: Word.

2000-10-20 Thread Mac Norton
don't know what version of Word these guys are running, but "Track Changes" works astoundingly often for me on outside mail, to general hilarity at my law office, not "Properties." Sorry he's letting the secret out, in any event:) Purely as an intellectual exercise, of course, some of us have