Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-11 Thread Tim May
At 10:44 PM -0700 10/10/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, petro wrote: I get the same impression--They seem like National (as opposed to International) Socialists. Ah. I see that, in accordance with ancient usenet and mailing-list tradition, the discussion is now over.

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-11 Thread Bill Stewart
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian movement as well. Right. In fact, that's an understatement. He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporations' data

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian movement as well. Right. In fact, that's an understatement. He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporations' data collection practices strictly, but don't regulate the

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-10 Thread Tim May
At 1:22 PM -0400 10/10/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: I think communism has too many negative connotations to be used nowadays... So communitarian is a new word for the old philosophy. Kinda like progressive as a replacement for statist or whatnot. -Declan Why give them a term which, at least to

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 12:35 10/10/2000 -0500, Jim Burnes wrote: Yeah. In the dim, dusty recesses of my memory I seem to recall the Communitarian zeal with something the NWO types are calling 'The Third Way'. A way of involving business and government together to create social change. Last time I checked thats

Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns

2000-10-10 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, petro wrote: I get the same impression--They seem like National (as opposed to International) Socialists. Ah. I see that, in accordance with ancient usenet and mailing-list tradition, the discussion is now over. Bear