Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-30 Thread Raymond D. Mereniuk
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said "at certain times of the year." British Columbia is tied by treaty arrangements (Columbia River Treaty, 1961) to the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA), and is, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, now part of same grid that is the ISO, the Independent System

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-29 Thread auto58194
For those who care, take a look at http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/10/opinion/10KRUG.html which is an op-ed piece by an MIT Economics prof. describing the California situation in the same terms I have. He cites a paper which in turn cites evidence that artificial shortages were previously

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-29 Thread James A. Donald
-- For those who care, take a look at http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/10/opinion/10KRUG.html which is an op-ed piece by an MIT Economics prof. describing the California situation in the same terms I have. He cites a paper which in turn cites evidence that artificial shortages were

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-29 Thread Tim May
At 2:37 PM -1000 12/29/00, Reese wrote: At 03:33 PM 12/29/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the queue of plant requests within California they also seem to be obsessed with building them in highly populated areas. Easy commute for the workers, and a large pool to draw workers from?

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-27 Thread Raymond D. Mereniuk
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Lost on your typically smug Canadian analysis has been any objective analysis of markets for power. Do you know, for example, that California as a state is a _net exporter_ of power to the Northwest and especially to Western Canada at certain times of the

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-26 Thread auto58194
At Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:50:01 -0800, "Raymond D. Mereniuk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my initial message I stated the current rise in natural gas prices are caused by multiple factors. [blah blah blah] That's outright bullshit. You wrote: "The bad decisions of the citizens of California

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-25 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote: In my initial message I stated the current rise in natural gas prices are caused by multiple factors. Natural gas prices were too low in recent years and this caused a shortage in supply. MASSIVE SNIP Just an observation, but most of the

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-24 Thread Raymond D. Mereniuk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:15:09 -0500 (EST) Raymond's pointed out that some gas plants normally idle are now running full-time to meet demand. To me this reads the same as using idle plants instead of building new ones. Perhaps not a bright move in terms of safety,

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-19 Thread Raymond D. Mereniuk
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Size of a market is a shifting concept. British Columbia and Vancouver are certainly large markets. Compared to California markets this is a small market. Two million folks in the metro area and 3 million total in the province (state). If there were a

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-18 Thread Mac Norton
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Let's make this simple. How is California's lack of power plants causing natural gas prices to rise? Plants that don't exist don't use gas and don't contribute to shortages. What the fella said was the lack of power plants indicates a

Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-18 Thread Raymond D. Mereniuk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Huh? Let's make this simple. How is California's lack of power plants causing natural gas prices to rise? Plants that don't exist don't use gas and don't contribute to shortages. California's importing power from elsewhere, so why didn't these other generators

The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]

2000-12-17 Thread auto58194
"Raymond D. Mereniuk" wrote: Here I sit in Vancouver BC Canada paying outrageous prices for natural gas because of the demand in California for natural gas for heating and electrical generation purposes. I feel California should pay for their previous decisions themselves, if you don't