Re: Agents other than Congress w/ respect to USPS

2000-08-02 Thread petro
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:42:09AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: The proposal has been made that the Constitution doesn't prevent other agents from participating in the postal service. The Constitution was quoted as proof. This 'proof' isn't. The clause clearly states "...Congress shall".

Re: Editorial: Liberals Packing Heat (fwd)

2000-08-18 Thread petro
At 10:59 AM +0300 8/17/00, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Missouri FreeNet Administration wrote: They [obviously] don't believe in "getting rid of guns": they believe in getting rid of OUR guns. I think there is nothing much wrong in that. The problem is not the guns of a select

Re: Re: family of russion sub victims drugged

2000-08-26 Thread petro
At 07:04 PM 25/08/00 +, Phaedrus wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Reese wrote: No, I didn't read the link. No, I'm not going to, until you explain something, and then, I'm going to bounce your reply against the link to see if you cheated: Um, huh? Is americanized english a second language

Re: CDR: Re: Why Cops and Cypherpunk Meetings Don't Go Together

2000-08-26 Thread petro
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, petro wrote: No one should have the ability to *stop* someone from acquiring decent housing, medical care, strong crypto, or a gun. Really? So it's ok for me to come ot your house and kill you with your gun to get my new house? And I'll use your ID and medical

Re: Accessing public roads

2000-08-28 Thread petro
Jim Choate wrote: On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Phaedrus wrote: So saying that the requirement of operating only licensed motor vehicles by licensed operators prohibits those without from accessing public roads is incorrect. Well, actually -- you cannot ride a vehicle that you

Re: PRNG server

2000-08-30 Thread petro
Would a public PRNG (Yarrow?) server be of any use? I suppose it could be done as a proof-of-concept, or as another source of entropy for an internal PRNG... and the trust issue could be dealt with just as you deal with the Intel PRNG. IMO, the bandwidth would be the limitation here; an intranet

Re: GA-CAT-CA

2000-09-11 Thread petro
RAH: But, again, I'm sure the thing was a spoof. Nope not a spoof. Heard it on NPR, and several other outlets the day it came out. I thought I remembered hearing about it as well, but I can't find anything on CNN's web site, nor on the LA Times web site. Remember, they use animal

Re: WorldAudit.org home page

2000-09-11 Thread petro
At 10:12 PM -0500 9/10/00, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.worldaudit.org/home.htm -- (25K of included junk elided) Amazing. You give the URL of a site with almost no list significance, which is fine, because a URL only takes a few bytes. But then the rest of your message consumes 25K of

Re: Voluntary Mandatory Taxes

2000-09-12 Thread petro
Tim May wrote: "Here's something to think about - while queuing up for petrol this afternoon (yes - I confess to being a panic buyer) I worked out that OPEC is charging $30 a barrel and our government is taxing us at slightly over $150 a barrel - ouch!" this is true, and similiar pretty

Re: CDR: Re: Why?

2000-09-12 Thread petro
He of the CDR tag wrote: On the cynical side: maybe the feds shouldn't be putting child care facilities in potential terrorist targets. (Really cynical: maybe it was intended as a human shield.) Their own kids? That level of cold blooded-ness is probably unrealistic. It is quite

Re: CDR: Re: Why?

2000-09-12 Thread petro
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Michael Motyka wrote: a greal deal of pain for some plain folks The folks who worked at the federal building were far from 'plain' folks. It isn't like they walked into a corner grocery. In addition, the plain fact is there is a considerable underground movement in

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-12 Thread petro
(I'm cc'ing this to the cypherpunks list as well) The easy solution to this is to put up a web page with information *about* the NAMBLA site, and instructions on how to request that the site be delivered anonymously--as a gzip, zip, or stuffit archive. If one has access to a web server that

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-15 Thread petro
petro wrote: You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay. Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread petro
Tim is guilty of statistics abuse, because it never happens to Tim he assumes it can never happen to anyone who is passing the local Nazi encampment. What Tim does not explain is why sending a truck full of thugs off to beat up someone carrying a loaded, recently fired weapon is a reasonable

Re: Lions and Tigers and Backdoors, oh, my...

2000-09-28 Thread petro
Tim May wrote: For example, receiving or sending text with PGP (of an early-enough vintage, or one which has been vetted extensively). Using clipboards, for example. This works for text, sending and receiving, and has the advantage that the crypto program is orthogonal to the browser, mail

Re: CDR: Re: Why Free Speech Matters

2000-09-26 Thread petro
could actually read the stuff. It seemed to work. I don't think he ever paid any royalties though. I don't think we've all becopme Nazis yet. Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair? -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** Sometimes it is said that man

Re: Meth bill resurfaces on Capitol Hill

2000-09-26 Thread petro
snip searches of your home. That bill is currently before a conference committee, which has only about a week left to finish it before Congress adjourns for the year. You may want to contact your legislators before it's too late. Yes. "contact." I think the word is

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 05:57:25PM -0400, David Honig wrote: At 01:37 AM 10/16/00 -0400, Nathan Saper wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 07:11:19PM -0700, James A.. Donald wrote: Have you been sealed in a box the last ten years? Companies may

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:53:26PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: "Riad S. Wahby" wrote: Nathan Saper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Tarquin Fintimlinbin-Whinbimlim-Bus Stop F'Tang F'Tang Olé Biscuit-Barrel? Uh, what? This

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
Could a factoring breakthrough happen to convert this exptime problem to polynomial time? Maybe. I said as much. Is it likely? See discussions on progress toward proving factoring to be NP-hard (it hasn't been proved to be such, though it is suspected to be so, i.e., that there will never be

Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-17 Thread petro
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity... It probably is, but it's also against what most cypherpunks stand for to tell them what to do with the bits that hit their network card. --

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
Merkle does not seem to be the kind of person who either would be working for the NSA or whom the NSA would pick to be a conduit for leaked secrets. 3. Ditto in spades for Whit Diffie. And Martin Hellman was, at that time, an active anti-war activist ("Beyond War"). Seems unlikely that NSA

Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-17 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:48:48PM -0700, Tim May wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote: I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
P.S. I too would be interested in documented cases where DNA collected by the police was given to insurance companies. It's (apparently) England where there is wide spread DNA collection for use in finding certain types of criminals. In England both the Police and the Health

Re: The Ungoverned, or at least Unprotected (was Re: NSA

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 1:10 PM -0400 10/18/00, Harmon Seaver wrote: Speaking of "The Ungoverned", I've been looking for it, can't find it in libraries, Amazon, or Bibliofind, so I'm thinking that it was in a collection? Does anyone know which? It's in one of the two paperback collections of Vinge's short

Re: The Ungoverned, or at least Unprotected (was Re: NSA

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 1:39 PM -0400 10/18/00, Tim May wrote: At 1:10 PM -0400 10/18/00, Harmon Seaver wrote: Speaking of "The Ungoverned", I've been looking for it, can't find it in libraries, Amazon, or Bibliofind, so I'm thinking that it was in a collection? Does anyone know which? It's in one of the

Re: I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-20 Thread petro
... Usenet and mailing lists were usable by the cognoscenti from the mid-80s up to the "modern age." Using gopher and Archie and anonymous ftp was for the cognoscenti only, though. Not much fun for ordinary folks. This obviously all changed around 1994, with Mosaic/Netscape. "Point and

Re: Anyone know easy symmetric cypher for perl?

2000-10-20 Thread petro
At 12:24 AM 10/19/00 -0700, Petro wrote: I need a perl module or a function that would perform symmetric key encryption/decryption. I need it to encode secret information in URLs. Thanks I thought you were brighter than that Igor. http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=modulequery

Re: CDR: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?) cpunk

2000-10-20 Thread petro
Who is to blame for hurricanes? "God", but so far he seems rather judgement proof. Haiti, for not stopping them before they reach Florida? Who is to blame for a bee flying into your mouth while you are driving? (which, if you've never had it happen, leads quickly to a car crash)

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-21 Thread petro
The Red Sed: On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:23:32AM -0700, petro wrote: Most children--which is where genetic "abnormalities" show up--are covered often sight unseen through their parents policies, and often before they are even conceived. OK. This lowers the amount

Re: CDR: Re: Nuclear waste

2000-10-21 Thread petro
May: 5. Not that this is necessarily the best option. The domes in deep caves are perfectly fine. And there is much to be said for the Pournelle/Hogan solution: put the vitreous beads in concrete-filled drums, load them onto pallets, then park the pallets in neat rows and columns in the

Re: why should it be trusted? (insurance)

2000-10-21 Thread petro
Without massive employer-funded health care, most people would be more likely to pay for their routine costs directly and buy insurance for excessive costs. "Catastrophic" health insurance--insurance which covers things massive trauma (car accidents etc) or Cancer are pretty cheap.

Re: CDR: Re: Nuclear waste

2000-10-22 Thread petro
At 9:02 PM -0700 10/21/00, petro wrote: May: 5. Not that this is necessarily the best option. The domes in deep caves are perfectly fine. And there is much to be said for the Pournelle/Hogan solution: put the vitreous beads in concrete-filled drums, load them onto pallets, then park

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-24 Thread petro
At 10:35 PM -0700 10/22/00, Nathan Saper wrote: This is true in theory. However, from what I have read, it appears that the care given to these people is far from the quality of care given to those who can pay. Also, many diseases require very expensive treatments, and I do not believe the

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-25 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:37:42PM -0700, James A.. Donald wrote: At 09:07 PM 10/22/2000 -0700, Nathan Saper wrote: OK, granted, the government needs to be kept on a tight leash. Most people will not want the government breaking into their

Re: Test Ignore

2000-11-04 Thread petro
Test Dick Dude, this isn't the place to check that... -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** "Despite almost every experience I've ever had with federal authority, I keep imagining its competence." John Perry Barlow

Re: A very brief politcal rant

2000-11-10 Thread petro
At 2:05 PM -0500 on 11/9/00, Jim Burnes wrote: I've seen first hand the intent and demeanor of St. Louis politics and its not pretty. Agreed. I don't know if it still is, but, say, 23 years ago, St. Louis was a great place to be *from*. According to the wife, it's a really nice

Re: A very brief politcal rant

2000-11-10 Thread petro
a Democrat -- and that might well be so. But I doubt the Federal Election Commision will think much of a ballot where 'you vote Democratic -- we'll fill in the blank' is a legitimate vote. I would say the same for any 'candidate', but they Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or Dead.

Re: Close Elections and Causality

2000-11-14 Thread petro
Mr. May: At 10:20 AM + 11/14/00, Ken Brown wrote: But maybe to redraw the boundaries. That's a common problem in Britain. Every now and again some government (almost always Conservative, for reasons to do with gerrymandering I suspect) gets it into its head that it would be a Good Thing if

Re: [ca-firearms] voting

2000-11-15 Thread petro
From: petro [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be fairly simple to eliminate *most* of the current voter fraud schemes, and fairly inexpensive. Please provide details of this simple technique for eliminating voter fraud. I've always found utopian fantasies intriguing. "Re

Re: Aces high (long reply)

2000-11-18 Thread petro
Mr. May: At 5:31 PM -0500 11/17/00, David Honig wrote: At 03:05 PM 11/17/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: years, many decades, to publish learned articles on chads, pregnant chads, And despite all the talk, chad pregnancy is still a problem in America today. You know all those chads are just going to

Re: Carnivore All-Consuming

2000-11-20 Thread petro
A totally different bandwidth segment is inside the big hosting centers - Exodus, Globalcenter, etc. Most of that's Gigabit Ether, We've got Fiber running to our cage, but you're right about the Gigabit part. -- A quote from Petro's Archives:

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-24 Thread petro
Do people on this list really believe that the solution to problems is to kill people? Or are we just getting sarcastic and frustrated? (Yes, I know Tim May believes people should be killed, but he's just a fuckhead bag of hot air.) Seems to me that anarchy where people solve their problems by

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-24 Thread petro
The "Needs Killing" verbiage you see here, I think, is mostly from people who, correctly or not, tend to think in terms either of there not being any governments, or in terms of the government being so ineffective that they are effectively in an ungoverned state. Or from people who

Re: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand

2000-12-07 Thread petro
Mr. May said: At 2:27 PM -0500 12/3/00, Adam Langley wrote: Attachment converted: G4 Tower HD:UK Govt seeks to capture and st (MiME/CSOm) (F86A) This is really getting out of hand! Attempting to open this message, by clicking on the attachment, bombs/crashes my Eudora Pro 5.0.1 mailer.

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-10 Thread petro
RAH whinged: At 6:52 PM -0800 on 12/7/00, petro wrote: At 05:31 PM 12/5/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: An instructive case. Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files. A PDA would have been harder to hack, one

Re: Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight!

2000-12-10 Thread petro
Mr. May: The author also mentions that consumers dislike (so?) tracking of their purchases...and then in the next paragraphs cites the Firestone tire recall as an example of better policy than most Web sites have (or something like this...I re-read his analogy several times and still wasn't

Re: CDR: Re: This is why a free society is evil.

2000-12-17 Thread petro
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Tim May wrote: -- If an employee doesn't like the calendar that another employee has on his desk, she can talk to others in the company. Maybe they'll have it removed. But she CANNOT use the courts to intervene in a matter of how the company's owners deal with their

Re: The Cost of California Liberalism

2000-12-17 Thread petro
In recent years California citizens have decided against new electric power generation projects within their jurisdiction and to enforce strict air pollution standards on any existing facilities. This is great as long as the people making this decision pay the cost. Unfortunately the cost of

Re: CDR: One thing about Bell's case...

2000-12-21 Thread petro
It seems to me that charging Bell for 'stalking' in relation to the collection of public documents violates his 1st Amendment rights with respect to 'press'. It's probably the showing up on the door step that got him in trouble. Or at least that gave the government the excuse

Re: Tim's Motorcycles

2000-12-21 Thread petro
At 11:24 AM 12/18/00 +0200, Ben wrote: Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel

Re: Anarchy Eroded: Project Efnext

2001-01-01 Thread petro
David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since no one has yet mentioned it, Ryan Lackey once mentioned a secure chat program.. Zephyr? Gale? (the name was related to some other existing, insecure chat program) MIT uses Zephyr for text messaging. It's not secure, but it can authenticate with

Re: Anglo-American communications studies

2001-01-05 Thread petro
Actual boiler-type furnaces are quite rare in the US, and No they aren't. Out of 5 apartments I lived in in Chicago, 4 of them had steam heat. So did the apartments of most of my friends. My grandmother's house in Saint Louis has/had a boiler and steam heat. -- A quote

Re: Janet Reno on IP, piracy and terrorism

2001-01-09 Thread petro
Bet on it? We don't have to do that -- look who he picked. Asscroft, the boob who got beat by a dead man. Check out his ultra-fascist voting record. Gag. Barf. Yes, but I bet he will burn very few children to death in a church during his first year. No, instead he'll

Re: Anglo-American communications studies

2001-01-09 Thread petro
and there are very few opportunities for real misunderstanding. So Ken if you read that Blair was near Thatcher's house and knocked her up, Yanks would think something very different from Brits. That's where technology can help : catch it on video. I think I'm going to be sick... --

Re: CDR: [alg] gpg with gnome clients (fwd)

2001-01-09 Thread petro
Attachment converted: 9main:CDR- [alg] gpg with gnome clien (MiME/CSOm) (00039B4A) The camel's back has just broken. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** "As someone who has worked both in private industry and in academia, whenever I hear

Re: REAL assassination politics

2001-01-22 Thread petro
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: from fas: ASSASSINATION POLITICS In a new bill introduced in the House of Representatives on January 3, Rep. Bob Barr proposed to eliminate the longstanding official prohibition against assassination. Ew, ick. This seems to be devolving to the

Re: Banned MI6 Book

2001-01-22 Thread petro
Ex-MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson's book, "The Big Breach: From Top Secret To Maximum Security," is available for order on a Russian Web site: http://www.thebigbreach.com It also seems to be available at spAmazon. -- A quote from Petro's Archives:

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-23 Thread petro
-- On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:13:32PM -1000, Reese wrote: Then why were the troops laying siege to the compound, instead of snatching koresh when he made one of his frequent trips into town? At 11:54 PM 1/19/2001 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Because sometimes a show of force is

Re: Fw: Excuse me, Mr. Blank Frank

2001-01-23 Thread petro
nks list: "Blank Frank" is anonymous. S/he could be anybody, or several different anybodies at the same time. You happened to catch it/him/her/them in a nasty mood, and at least one of it/him/her/them flamed you pretty hard. Perhaps that particular persona of "Blank Frank" is all out of