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From: Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Black Unicorn' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: Adobe's Teeth. (Was: Re: [free-sklyarov] Re: Rallies on Monday)
From: Black Unicorn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-23-002-20-OP-CY
James Choate
Product Certification - Operating Systems
Staff Engineer
512-436-1062
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Reese wrote:
Don't mind the propaganda at the bottom of the images, just look at the
pictures and draw your own conclusions. The shooting occurred at the
back of the vehicle, where not even US vehicles have safety glass (and
the window was already broken out).
Wrong,
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Trei, Peter wrote:
With high-powered lasers, one of the important destructive mechanisms
is blast - the outer layer of the illuminated object vaporizes, and
flies away from the rest of the target. The reactive force of this
You're orders of magnitude away from such
With high-powered lasers, one of the important destructive mechanisms is
blast - the outer layer of the illuminated object vaporizes, and flies away
from
the rest of the target. The reactive force of this gives the target a hell
of a kick.
Kicking off strict alignment with it's flight path, or
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, sorry, there are Feds listening with no sense of humor.
What makes you think cpunks is that important? (Besides, the person
profile is self-selecting, and largely harmless, and in case they bother
to listen, they of course know it).
-- Eugene
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote:
My comment was limited to radiant energy weapons.
Even that's not sufficient since lasers have been demonstrated for
mid-course assaults as well.
As to those, the critical vulnerability exists during launch and boost
phase. The target is slow,
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Declan McCullagh wrote:
But the Feds won't back down as
readily as Adobe, I wager. They
don't have to worry about what
programmers think, they don't
have to worry about what Wall
Street thinks (at least DOJ
doesn't), they don't have to
worry about slipping revenue
in a soft economy and
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From: Black Unicorn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Exercise your right to free speech. Do it carefully.
Use a spotter, protective equipment, and
enlist a trained coach.
Do warm up exercises first :-)
Peter
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Tim writes:
Adobe's use of police state measures to have a minor critic (by their
own later admission) yanked out of a conference is not likely to be
forgotten quickly. I expect this will have consequences when they
eventually resume college recruiting. Adobe will likely face sneers
and
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On Monday, July 23, 2001, at 11:05 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
True. And I'll agree with you, this time -- I think the Feds
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And I'll bet the Feds drop it because their corporate backer, Adobe, has
abandoned them.
They don't like to
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James Choate
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At 11:22 AM 7/5/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
[A followup to a cpunx thread, and a link to the statute.]
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:15:01 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ohio man convicted for obscene stories in his private journal
Cc: [EMAIL
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
I couldn't agree with you more, nevertheless my point still stands that
disincentives do exist and the Federal Baby Incinerators don't need yet
another incrementally damaging error on their rap sheet.
Do you *honestly* think they give a shit? Are
At 11:44 PM -0400 7/23/01, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Another effect will be companies that wish to take advantage of the
criminal sections of the DMCA will be more likely to cover their
tracks when dealing with the Feds. The next Adobe won't be so quick to
admit they contacted the FBI, for
True. And I'll agree with you, this time -- I think the Feds
will, in the end, drop this case, if the protests continue.
-Declan
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:23:10PM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
Here's a prediction: This case will
never come close to generating the
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote:
Adobe will be suffering for a long time to come.
While it is a consummation devoutly to be wished, I predict that the
backlash will be gone in a mere matter of weeks, if not days. Let's
face it: the people most likely to be Adobe *customers* are anything
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote:
Third, those of us who are old enough remember that Jayne Mansfield's
head went right through the safety glass.
They didn't have safety glass in the 50's. Those sort of accidents that
got worse into the 60's are the reason they put safety glass in cars.
Sounds to me like Adobe doesn't really like the bad press. When will these
companies understand that all this is going to do is cause the programmers
to write even more adobe cracking programs and make them available all over
the net. They cannot stop it
Jon Beets
Pacer Communications
Another effect will be companies that wish to take advantage of the
criminal sections of the DMCA will be more likely to cover their
tracks when dealing with the Feds. The next Adobe won't be so quick to
admit they contacted the FBI, for instance.
Or, pace Blacknet, the next company that wants
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Schear wrote:
I have a hard time imagining that a mirrored and faceted vehicle exterior
would provide enough absorption to enable this mechanism, otherwise the
laser's own mirrors would like destruct from the same exposure.
Not necessarily, if the beam is focused on
Ok, the Subject line is a bit of a stretch, as there's no anon payment,
but it is interesting nonetheless.
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Don't be silly. We know from sworn testimony in at least one (probably
Too late, they should have strangled me at birth.
two, but my memory fails me) criminal trials that there are a number
of Feds who read cpunks in their official capacities.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Black Unicorn wrote:
Translate as:
Use a lawyer, anonymous remailer, and enlist a PR expert.
Good advice in either example.
That's pretty constrained 'free speech'.
--
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Black Unicorn wrote:
Perhaps we should just designate the funds, payable monthly, for every month
Choate doesn't post anything to the list?
Coase at work, eh?
Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], gsm: +358-50-5756111
student/math+cs/helsinki university,
i'd front the expense of the test and a cab fare between his home and the
nearest testing facility (not to exceed $50 total cab fare.) but let's make
this interesting:
1. Choate will receive a $500 bonus if he scores above 97th percentile (eg.
97th percentile loses, but 97.01th percentile
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On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:08:25PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, sorry, there are Feds listening with no sense of humor.
What makes you think cpunks is that important? (Besides, the person
Don't be silly. We know from sworn testimony in at
I'll chip in. But can we increase the incentive, perhaps by boosting
the reward if Choate reaches a certain minimum score? Hmm.
It shouldn't take long for Choate to take it. Just a few hours, I'd imagine.
Not much work, so there's little reason not to do so.
-Declan
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at
From: Gary Jeffers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Alternative Physics - Tom Bearden's site
Alternative Physics - Tom Bearden's site
My fellow Cypherpunks,
I've found a really interesting site based on alternative
physics.
http://www.cheniere.org - Tom Bearden's site.
The
Perhaps we should just designate the funds, payable monthly, for every month
Choate doesn't post anything to the list?
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From: Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: THE INCHOATE LAWYER
Declan McCullagh
Given the fact that the Anonymizer often comes up in Cypherpunk
contexts, and that many of you are probably reading this list from
cyberpass.net, which is hosted by Infonex (which is the same company
as the Anonymizer, all run by Lance Cottrell, I believe) some of you
may be interested in what
At 01:28 AM 7/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Steve Schear wrote:
I wonder what the destructive mechanism is for this system?
There was an article in IEEE Spectrum last year (I think) on one of the
systems. The main failure mechanism is weakening of the aeroshell and due
to
,[ On Mon, Jul 23, at 07:44PM, John Young wrote: ]--
| Adobe Systems Incorporated and the Electronic Frontier
| Foundation today jointly recommend the release of Russian
| programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody.
|
| Adobe is also withdrawing its support for the
On 07/23/2001 - 23:55, Tim May wrote:
On Monday, July 23, 2001, at 11:05 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote
True. And I'll agree with you, this time -- I think the Feds
will, in the end, drop this case, if the protests continue.
And I'll bet the Feds drop it because their corporate backer,
At 8:35 PM -0500 7/23/01, Jon Beets wrote:
Uhhh yes it will go through the safety glass.. Look at the pics.. One person
had already put piece of lumber through it.. That was about a 15lb
extinguisher... From what I can tell from the photos the protester DID
intend harm to the police. Of course
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From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers self defence
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:21:59PM -0500, Jim Choate
At 5:25 PM -0700 7/23/01, Gabriel Rocha wrote:
,[ On Mon, Jul 23, at 07:44PM, John Young wrote: ]--
| Adobe Systems Incorporated and the Electronic Frontier
| Foundation today jointly recommend the release of Russian
| programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody.
|
| Adobe
At 5:08 PM -0500 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro burbled upon us thusly:
Another point you bring up is that a LEO should not enforce laws
that clearly violate the constitution.
A LEO cannot do that *and still be a LEO*. He can refuse by
resigning, but
At 1:43 AM +0300 7/24/01, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
But I also think the question Choate posed is a valid one: what happens when
the target is *not* a ballistic missile, but people, equipment and vehicles
on the ground, normal aircraft, or air-to-air missiles? One would think that
the lower velocity
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At 7:18 PM -0700 7/23/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Not-a-lawyer wrote:
No, the cops panicked...
You really should become a lawyer or even a judge. You seem to already have
figured this one out by ESP or something. Wow, I'm fucking impressed with
your legal acumen.
And then there is the point
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Schear wrote:
It's the one they use primarily.
Only because the rocket exterior has not been stealthed via high
reflectivity and faceting.
Maybe. But even mirrors can be burned through by a laser. And then we've
got weight issues that this would entail. It's
From a press release today:
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Adobe Systems Incorporated and the Electronic Frontier
Foundation today jointly recommend the release of Russian
programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody.
Adobe is also withdrawing its support for the criminal
complaint against Dmitry Sklyarov.
We
Wannabe lawyer Jimbo wrote:
Does throwing a fire extenguisher
at a auto window constitution [sic]
probable cause for lethal force in
self-defence?
No. Because the fire extenguisher
won't go through the safety glass.
Oh really? Try that experiment on your own car. Side windows shatter
At 06:05 PM 7/23/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Schear wrote:
It's the one they use primarily.
Only because the rocket exterior has not been stealthed via high
reflectivity and faceting.
Maybe. But even mirrors can be burned through by a laser. And then we've
It looks like the G8 fire extinguisher was of the ~20lb variety. This is
the same weight class as the bags of dog food I buy for my dogs. Next time
you buy one get a friend to toss 'em back and forth.
Then ask yourself, does that mass represent a deadly threat?
The reality is that unless they
On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 11:28:41PM -0700, Petro wrote:
Will Ashcroft prove to be any different? I don't know.
Don't underestimate institutional bureaucracy or the FBI's
independence.
A LEO cannot do that *and still be a LEO*. He can
refuse by resigning, but if he simply takes the
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Oh really? Try that experiment on your own car.
Actually I've seen windows break (and broken my fair share) on cars
multiple times. Some from wrecks, some from gunshot (a .38 will bounce off
a windshield for example) some from other things. I even
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:26:39PM -, Dr. Evil wrote:
Given the fact that the Anonymizer often comes up in Cypherpunk
contexts, and that many of you are probably reading this list from
cyberpass.net, which is hosted by Infonex (which is the same company
as the Anonymizer, all run by Lance
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro burbled upon us thusly:
Another point you bring up is that a LEO should not enforce laws
that clearly violate the constitution.
A LEO cannot do that *and still be a LEO*. He can refuse by
resigning, but if he simply takes the position that he will
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/23/1956254.shtml
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Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night:
God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light.
She wasn't decapitated...
http://www.bombshells.com/jayne/bio/index10.shtml
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Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night:
God said, Let Tesla be, and all was light.
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By my count, we now have three or four people willing in principle to
either chip in or refund the ~$100 cost. Depending on details (we'd
require full disclosure, of course), Choate could make up to $300 on this,
after expenses.
Make that total $400.
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to pirate that
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