Declan McCullagh wrote:
Here's a prediction: This case will
never come close to generating the
same amount of publicity, by at
least two orders of magnitude.
Folks on the Net have a bad habit
of overemphasizing how important
these cases are. This is not
important to the people in DC who
At 11:47 PM -0500 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote:
Adobe will be suffering for a long time to come.
While it is a consummation devoutly to be wished, I predict that the
backlash will be gone in a mere matter of weeks, if not days. Let's
face it: the people
,[ On Mon, Jul 23, at 03:50PM, Black Unicorn wrote: ]--
| Perhaps we should just designate the funds, payable monthly, for every month
| Choate doesn't post anything to the list?
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Two ideas on this one; it wouldn't be anywhere as much
Saving the infected files as e.g., txt and viewing them makes for
amusing accidental spying. God *damn* randoms are stupid.
E.g., from _Comprimise_ [sic]
I don't see important [sic] that we have the right to go and buy a
fully automatic high caliber gun. We need to have gun control to
regulate
Here's a prediction: This case will never come close to generating
the same amount of publicity, by at least two orders of magnitude.
Folks on the Net have a bad habit of overemphasizing how important
these cases are. This is not important to the people in DC who count.
It has never been
My comment was limited to radiant energy weapons. As to those, the
critical vulnerability exists during launch and boost phase. The target is
slow, bright, large, has fuel on board and a nonarmored hull, which (as
other posters observed) can be weakened with enough flux.
At least one of the
Title: NewsLetter di Patnet
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Martedì 24 Luglio 2001
Anno 1°, release 1.2
News
Q
Not-a-lawyer wrote:
Sorry, no backpedaling here...
I stand behind my previous
statements on this topic.
Good idea. If you were to stand in front of it, you'd probably lose the
other eye.
We're not talking about
'self-defence' here...
No, we're talking 'self-defense', this is the US, not
At 9:21 PM -0500 7/23/01, Jim Choate wrote:
While it's true the hole would have reduced the cushion impact of breaking
the glass it would not have eliminated it.
NATO says it takes a transfer of approx. 85 Joules to kill.
That's ridiculous. There are far too many variables involved
in
Antigen for Exchange found AFCS_seattle2001.doc.lnk infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: AFCS_seattle2001, was
sent from carl danielle and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
- Original Message -
From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers self defence
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Oh really? Try that experiment on your own car.
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The bottle is a little smaller than a 15 lb bottle, of course the 15 lb's
refers to the weight of the bottle itself, it is closer to 50 lbs if it is
fully charged with carbon dioxide (which we have no way to know whether it
it was charged or what it was (once?) charged with).
Well,
Title: NewsLetter di Patnet
IL PORTALE DELLA PROPRIETA' INTELLETTUALE
Martedì 24 Luglio 2001
Anno 1°, release 1.2
News
Q
J.A. Terranson wrote:
Do you *honestly* think they
[Federal Baby Incinerators] give
a shit? Are you really *that*
naive?
Yeah, guess so. I think the Feebs really don't like to get called on the
carpet. Their power and privilege are at stake. Of course they don't want
that threatened.
Does throwing a fire extenguisher at a auto window constitution probable
cause for lethal force in self-defence?
No. Because the fire extenguisher won't go through the safety glass.
--
Nature and
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:21:59PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
NATO says it takes a transfer of approx. 85 Joules to kill.
1. It all depends on where and how it's applied. Give me a scalpel
and I suspect I can kill you with far less than 85 Joules.
2. Even if we dismiss point #1 above and assume
C'punks,
Notice how reverently Inchoate argues the minutia of the extinguisher
topic? The reason is obvious. That argument boils down to disputed facts
and personal opinion.
It's a lot more comfortable than confronting the objective LSAT challenge.
Funny, how he can argue the relative impact
If you look at the Reuters image of Carlo holding the fire extinguisher,
he's holding it below head-level. In my opinion, that leaves three options:
Carlo was going to chuck the extinguisher underhand (and sideways to the
vehicle, so it would've bounced off) at a low velocity, or Carlo was
Right. The organizing tools available to activists nowadays are
substantial. Free software including email-to-web gateways like
mhonarc, front ends based on Slash, mailing lists running majordomo or
mailman, back ends based on MySQL, launch-and-forget websites running
Linux and Slash -- all these
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Maybe. But even mirrors can be burned through by a laser. And then we've
Jim, why are you trying so hard to make a complete fool out of yourself,
in a public forum?
A chemical laser needs active optics to track your remote target. What do
you think that
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How do emerging technologies such as biotechnology, computer monitoring,
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As emerging technologies improve the private and public sectors'
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 08:47:19AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
It is educational (and it amuses me) to draw him out into parading his
ignorance and intransigence for all to see. Of course, he won't admit he is
Educational? Only in the study of aberrant thinking.
I confess I've baited Choate
Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 08:47:19AM -0700,
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
It is educational (and it amuses me)
to draw him out into parading his
ignorance and intransigence for all
to see. Of course, he won't admit he is
Educational? Only in the study
of aberrant
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Not-a-lawyer wrote:
[...]
We're not talking about
'self-defence' here...
No, we're talking 'self-defense', this is the US, not the UK.
Actually Sandy, it was Italy. I haven't got the faintest ideas what the
laws on self-defence are in Italy. And I'm
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Reese wrote:
At 07:34 PM 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (aka J.A. Terranson wrote:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why do you send to two lists?
Why do you care? Fuck off Reese.
--
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If Governments really want
Antigen for Exchange found AFCS_seattle2001.doc.pif infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: AFCS_seattle2001, was
sent from carl danielle and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20574.html
James Choate
Product Certification - Operating Systems
Staff Engineer
512-436-1062
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At the risk of going Choatien and stepping far beyond any
degrees I may have, the position that each and every LEO in this
country *should* (as opposed to does) decide for himself whether a law
fits his understanding of the constitution before enforcing it is not
only unworkable,
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Martedì 24 Luglio 2001
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News
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At 11:03 AM -0700 7/24/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While it is a consummation devoutly to be wished, I predict that the
backlash will be gone in a mere matter of weeks, if not days. Let's
face it: the people most likely to be Adobe *customers* are
At 9:56 PM -0700 7/23/01, Eric Cordian wrote:
Tim writes:
Adobe's use of police state measures to have a minor critic (by their
own later admission) yanked out of a conference is not likely to be
forgotten quickly. I expect this will have consequences when they
eventually resume college
At 1:58 AM -0700 7/24/01, Petro wrote:
At 11:47 PM -0500 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote:
Adobe will be suffering for a long time to come.
While it is a consummation devoutly to be wished, I predict that the
backlash will be gone in a mere matter of weeks,
Antigen for Exchange found nicolesfairytale..doc.lnk infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: nicolesfairytale, was
sent from Robert Zuk and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
Antigen for Exchange found »Å¶ý¤£¬y²\.doc.lnk infected with W32/Sircam-A
(Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: »Å¶ý¤£¬y²\, was
sent from ¹ü and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
Antigen for Exchange found »Å¶ý¤£¬y²\.doc.lnk infected with W32/Sircam-A
(Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: »Å¶ý¤£¬y²\, was
sent from ¹ü and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT ABC TV
7:00 PM JULY 23, 2001
EXERCISE EXPOSES U.S. VULNERABILITY TO BIO-TERRORISM: A recent exercise
conducted at Andrews Air Force Base demonstrated clearly that neither U.S.
political leaders, nor the American health care system, is prepared to
respond adequately to any
Antigen for Exchange found OFFASSLT.XLS.com infected with W32/Sircam-A
(Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: OFFASSLT, was
sent from Christopher Mitchell and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
Spirit, Blood, and Treasure
The American cost of battle in the 21st century
D. Vandegriff, ed.
ISBN 0-89141-735-4
Minimal Force: The mark of a skilled warrior
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pp. 107
The particular principle that is behind it is called,
'principium inculpatae tutelae'
--
Anybody know how much grease Adobe has in Russia?
~Aimee
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have a link to this B form, or more exact data on it's
contents? It seems a little pointless to fill out a form saying that
Unknown person refused to ID for a transaction of $3000.00. This
suspect was 5'8 and 125#, brn hair, brn eyes and
Thieves using stolen windshield toll
transponders have charged about $4,000
worth of food at McDonald's, where the
devices have been accepted as debit cards
since April 2000,
Really? Dmitri gets to go home? Tell that to the USAtty's office,
which indicated to me yesterday they weren't inclined to drop charges.
While you're at it, learn a little about criminal law.
-Declan
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:59:01AM -0700, Petro wrote:
Not really. It's a victory for
Good article
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6649680.html?tag=mn_hd
Jon BeetsPacer
Communications
This reminds me of complaints filed in the Air Force. If anyone files a
complaint either by the one that was wronged or somone who saw a person
being wronged the gears are then in motion... These complaints can range
from sexual harrassment to sexual or racial discrimination, etc..
Essentially
Apparently there was an unanticipated meteor shower last evening visible from New York
to Virginia. According to the story on Yahoo:
A Reuters reporter saw a tapered object shaped like a trumpet bell falling diagonally
through the western sky near West Chester, Pennsylvania, 20 miles from
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DATE: 24th July 2001
Dear Sir,
URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL: STRICTLY
CONFIDENTIAL
I am Dr Chukuma Okpara Director of procurement and contracts with Nigeria
National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Sometime ago, my corporation
Antigen for Exchange found fakstransfrontier.doc.lnk infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: fakstransfrontier, was
sent from Ave Poom and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
In follow-up to Adobe's claim in the press release that
AEBPR is no longer available in the US we would
appreciate pointers to sources for the program in the
US or elsewhere (other than Elcomsoft's offerings
of the trial versions). Full capability versions preferred
but pointers to sources of
Antigen for Exchange found Gorby Reeves Agreement Letter.doc.pif infected
with W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: Gorby Reeves Agreement
Letter, was
sent from Lesha Harris and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
Yes I saw that pic too... Again we can't assume anything other than what we
see in the pics But even below head level it can be thrown fairly hard
like a medicine ball Or it could have been lifted over his head after
the picture was taken... Or someone could even argue they thought it
Antigen for Exchange found Dear Fred.doc.bat infected with W32/Sircam-A
(Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: Dear Fred, was
sent from Kathy Vignolo and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
FROM:
Dr. Chukuma Okpara
DATE: 24th July 2001
Dear Sir,
URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL: STRICTLY
CONFIDENTIAL
I am Dr Chukuma Okpara Director of procurement and contracts with Nigeria
National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Sometime ago, my corporation
Antigen for Exchange found D.reizen.soll.1.doc.bat infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: D, was
sent from Paul De Freitas and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Maybe. But even mirrors can be burned through by a laser. And then we've
Jim, why are you trying so hard to make a complete fool out of yourself,
in a public forum?
A chemical laser needs active optics to track your remote target. What do
you think that
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Possibly when G8 is done, the forces can be sent to africa to bonk the
fraudsters with canisters
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James Choate
Product Certification - Operating Systems
Staff Engineer
512-436-1062
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:15:35 Sandy Sandfort wrote:
The Dildo AI wrote:
Perhaps instead of offering Jim Choate money to take the LSAT, the money should be
offered for Jim Choate passing a Turing test to be judged by contributors to the
fund. Also other prizes could be given for things like
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At 10:21 PM + 7/24/01, Dr. Evil wrote:
Photoshop? We have the gimp. Illustrator? We have Kontour. These
products are all as good as or better than the competing Adobe
products, and they're all free.
I won't argue about Kontour, since I haven't used it yet, but xpdf still
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Maybe. But even mirrors can be burned through by a laser. And then we've
Jim, why are you trying so hard to make a complete fool out of yourself,
in a public forum?
A chemical laser needs active optics
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You stated that every photon interacts, loses energy and is re-emitted.
Sure, it has it's momentum changed. Think about it. The photon comes in
from one direction and is absorbed/interacts with the atoms. As a result
they get re-emitted
Antigen for Exchange found Ham and Swiss Stromboli.doc.pif infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: Ham and Swiss Stromboli,
was
sent from JREIDINGER and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
I know of people who refuse to buy Intel-based machines on
principle. Some are Sun users, some are Mac users, some think they
are bypassing Intel by using AMD Athlons.
Yes, I'm one. AMD all the way. Anyway, it's cheaper and has better
performance.
And the anti-Microsoft efforts are
And these are reasonably low power lasers...
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/SSC/IJSSE/issue1/unwin/unwin.html
The simple fact is that the thermodynamic impact of a laser beam that is
several feet across and emitting more photons than the surface of the sun
will not be easy to reflect unless immense
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Tim wrote:
Likewise, I know of even some Cypherpunks who have left their
employers for ideological reasons. And if some have _left_ jobs, the
effects are likely greater on the _recruiting_ side (where the costs
of a decision are much less).
Absolutely. More than that, I try to never take a
** Virus Warning Message (on gol-mro1.austar.net.au)
Found virus TROJ_SIRCAM.A in file TRAVEL INFORMATION web site.doc.pif
The uncleanable file is deleted.
*
Hi! How are you?
I send you this file in order to have your
Several years ago, there was discussion on the list about creating headless
or throwaway remailers (likely hidden in some institution where they could
get power and net access for a long time until they were discovered)- I
didn't spend a lot of time thinking about that, because I thought that
[ My PSINet email is history. ]
Tim May wrote:
#
#I really cannot imagine why I am getting these SirCam messages
#from some government agency named NIPC, unless for some reason
#my e-mail address is in their address book. How could that happen?
I don't know, but I just got my first
At 10:43 AM -0700 7/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Several years ago, there was discussion on the list about creating headless or
throwaway remailers (likely hidden in some institution where they could get power and
net access for a long time until they were discovered)- I didn't spend a lot
A broader point can be made as well. The Lee-Hanssen-labtest ancedotes are
just that. They may be important, but ancedotes do not by themselves
provide evidence of a trend.
To really evaluate the FBI, we'd need data like # of prosecutions, # of
prosecutions thrown out of court because of bad
At 05:53 PM 7/25/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
I strongly want global trade and cultural exchange. I do not want global
government or corporate enterprise. I want direct interaction of business
in government to be prohibited.
Great idea. As Frank Chodorov suggested during the McCarthy Era.
Faustine wrote:
All free-market principles aside,
if you're just in it for the
paycheck, what's the point? I'd
rather do something I love that's
meaningful to me than just make a
pile. Even better not to have to
choose at all. (Not there yet, so
#1 it is...)
Have faith. I think that
the newchotian philosophy: reductio ad absurdum.
phillip
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Choate
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers self
The TROJ_SIRCAM.A virus was detected in email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(07/25/2001 12:26:02). The action taken was to delete the attachment (TRAVEL
INFORMATION web site.doc.pif).
[ my email is really fucked right now,
gawd only knows how many copies this
single transmission will result in.
apologies in advance.
]
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB9960160921000.htm
#
#July 25, 2001
#
#FBI Cyber Researcher Unleashes Virus
#That E-Mails
C'punks,
I'm concerned that something terribly wrong has happened to Inchoate. Even
though he has been offered hundreds of dollars to take, and get a good score
on, the LSAT, he hasn't risen to the bai...uh... occasion. It would appear
that Jimbo has been secretly replaced by a random nonsense
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you implying that the wavelength for incident photons changes upon
interaction with the mirror?
The energy loss at the mirror is lost photons not altered wavelengths.
The lost photons have varying fates.
The ones absorbed by the mirror are
[ my email is really fucked right now,
gawd only knows how many copies this
single transmission will result in.
apologies in advance.
]
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB9960160921000.htm
#
#July 25, 2001
#
#FBI Cyber Researcher Unleashes Virus
#That E-Mails
Tasteless as it may sound (but this is home of cypherpranks anyway), it seems
that Sklyarov's arrest advanced the anti-DMCA case more than anything else.
And it will continue to advance it as long he remains in jail.
Almost as if the whole thing was a clever setup. And it works. If feds release
[ my email is really fucked right now,
gawd only knows how many copies this
single transmission will result in.
apologies in advance.
]
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB9960160921000.htm
#
#July 25, 2001
#
#FBI Cyber Researcher Unleashes Virus
#That E-Mails
At 10:45 PM -0500 7/24/01, Jim Choate wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You stated that every photon interacts, loses energy and is re-emitted.
Sure, it has it's momentum changed. Think about it. The photon comes in
from one direction and is absorbed/interacts with the
Antigen for Exchange found MEDIDAS-PESOS-PRESIONES.xls.lnk infected with
W32/Sircam-A (Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed. The message, CDR: MEDIDAS-PESOS-PRESIONES,
was
sent from Benicio Molina Delgado and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at Cognex/Natick/BAMBI.
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Bill Stewart wrote:
I'm not sure which of the s are Petro, Schliesser, Measl, or others,
These are not me (Measl), nor Schilesser, so that only leaves Petro :-)
Thank you Bill, for a much clearer statement of what I was *trying* to
impart.
--
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
At 5:54 PM -0400 7/24/01, Faustine wrote:
Tim wrote:
Likewise, I know of even some Cypherpunks who have left their
employers for ideological reasons. And if some have _left_ jobs, the
effects are likely greater on the _recruiting_ side (where the costs
of a decision are much less).
Absolutely.
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