Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001

2001-09-26 Thread Reese
At 10:04 AM 9/25/01 -0700, Black Unicorn wrote: The hearing for markup of the Anti Terrorism Act of 2001 has been cancelled by direction of the Chairman and has not been rescheduled at this time. That's the best news I've heard since 9-11. Your source for this, if you don't mind? Reese

RE: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001

2001-09-26 Thread Black Unicorn
-Original Message- From: Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:31 PM To: Black Unicorn; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 At 10:04 AM 9/25/01 -0700, Black Unicorn wrote: The hearing for markup of the

RE: Reflections on High Concept, Low Tech, Martial Law, the new Paper Gauntlet and the changing meaning of 911.

2001-09-26 Thread Blanc
Intelligence vs stupidity, knowledge vs ignorance - some slightly random, paradoxically related ruminations: -- Someone I read made the observation that the risk and danger posed to civilization by scientific/technological advances increases proportional to their speed and the inability of

RE: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Dr. Evil wrote: One interesting point is that you could make your own [smallpox] vaccine in various ways. One is to infect yourself with cowpox, a related disease which is not harmful to humans, but which confers immunity... Sounds like a market opportunity for some enterprising

FBI monitoring extremist groups

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 07:50 AM, Subcommander Bob wrote: At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: And who would be we ? And who are they ? We - The People. They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow the people up and has warranted a threat-rating. Some

And now for something completely different...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:02 AM, dmolnar wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the harbor, and main route to Boston airport). No

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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:03:03PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional sources. The FBI is responsible for counterterrorism efforts in the U.S. They have

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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:07:49PM -0700, Tim May wrote: None. You are not obligated to make serving papers convenient. You can be out of the country, you can leave by limousine from an underground garage, you can crawl out you bathroom window. This is, as the lawyers say, black letter

Get Real

2001-09-26 Thread mmotyka
This discussion about talking to the FBI has me ROTFLMAO. I feel like I'm watching a John Wayne movie with its simplified moral categories of good and evil. Why not say that cooperation is dependent upon the situation? Exercise your judgement. Witness to a hit and run : I wrote the make,

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:12:29AM -0700, Tim May wrote: (I note that most of the CNBC reporters I see everyday talk about their commutes in from outlying areas, mostly in areas of New Jersey about 15-50 miles west of NYC. And no doubt many who work in NYC choose to live in Connecticutt,

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was spooning from the top of my head. It's more generally known as the RSA public key encryption patent, released by RSA September 6, 2000: http://www.rsasecurity.com/news/pr/000906-1.html I don't have the patent number handy but could

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 11:43 AM, John Young wrote: David Honig wrote optimistically: Zero unemployment, rents drop in cities, and smooth skin becomes even more desirable. Not if New York City leaders get their way: high rents, pestilence, repulsive jobs, diseased bodies,

RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror

2001-09-26 Thread Anonymous User
Part of our problem in regard to U.S.-based domestic terrorism and militia groups has been our prosecutorial or military snatch mindset. We need to attack their strategy, rather than engage in actions that legitimize their world views, incite action, encourage radicalization and facilitate

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Re: Get Real

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 10:58 AM, Steve Furlong wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This discussion about talking to the FBI has me ROTFLMAO. I feel like I'm watching a John Wayne movie with its simplified moral categories of good and evil. Why not say that cooperation is dependent

RE: Preparedness

2001-09-26 Thread dmolnar
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the harbor, and main route to Boston airport). No stops, no noticable extra security. Oh! I'm sorry for not making that

stego messages on news.admin.net-abuse.misc

2001-09-26 Thread Anonymous
There are a lot of postings like this one. The poetry is very excellent perhaps? Dylan Thomas meets PeterWayner at Starbucks in Palo Alto. We eerily shoot behind slow discarded cybercafes. Alice will sneakily post in back of Francine when the chosen LANs twist in front of the minor

Call for Presentations: CODECON 2002

2001-09-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Forwarded from linux-elitists. - CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: CODECON 2002 http://www.codecon.org/ Please forward wherever applicable. CodeCon 2002, scheduled for February 15,

RE: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Doh! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September, 2001 12:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Smallpox? On 26 Sep 2001, at 9:09, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Sounds like a market opportunity for some

RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Rodney Thayer
You can easily avoid visits by mormons because their missionary strategy is a pattern -- if you see two young-ish people with black nametags walking down the street, that's them. Anecdote: a friend of mine (who subscribes to this list) had a bad scare on 9/11 -- his doorbell rang and he saw

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
[My apologies to the list for continuing this thread. I should know better.] On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: Incorrect. There is no PGP/MIME support in Outlook, and the Eudora PGP/MIME handling is less than perfect. My information is different, though I've not used Outlook in

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Meyer Wolfsheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - It's not that Mutt doesn't play well with others (and yes, I'm aware No, it's Mutt users who don't play well with others. Be fair. I rewrote much of the PGP functionality in Mutt just so I could send PGP-signed messages to this list without

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people away. Not sure about

Re: Smallpox?

2001-09-26 Thread David Honig
At 10:17 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: So what's the deal with smallpox anyway? When I was a kid we all got innoculated against it, and it was supposed to be a lifetime thing. Not sure about that, but: Did they stop vaccinating everyone for smallpox at some point? Yes.

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread David Honig
At 10:07 PM 9/25/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: Not answering the door makes them _at least_ wait until one has to leave. Oh, and they can't wait _on_ your property, now can they? That would be trespassing. I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they approach a door.

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: In the case of peace officer questioning, you can just ask them to leave. No need to hide. The main reason not to invite peace officers in is because of the risk they might see something which would give rise to probable cause for a search. If

Re: Aimee == FBI?

2001-09-26 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional sources. we --- do you mean WE ALL need... or WE AT THE FBI need... Interesting wording, indeed.

Re: Muslims and Christians Stand United

2001-09-26 Thread Elyn Wollensky
WTF is this? - Original Message - From: CJ Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Cipher SmartAss Punks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:01 AM Subject: Muslims and Christians Stand United We can't think about the deaths at the WTC in NYC without

The Trial of Henry Kissinger

2001-09-26 Thread Steve Schear
This is an excerpt from The Trial of Henry Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens , Chap. 2, Indochina, pages 25-26. [Pub: Verso/2001 http:/ EUDORA=AUTOURLwww.versobooks.com, ISBN 1-85984-631-9] On 12 May 1975, Cambodian

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:42:19AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: I'm not set up to run same, but I'm interested in finding one that doesn't demime. http://www.lne.com/cpunk has an up-to-date list of the different CDRs and their policies. Eric

RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror

2001-09-26 Thread Subcommander Bob
At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: And who would be we ? And who are they ? We - The People. They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow the people up and has warranted a threat-rating. Clue: your herders, the USG, wants to blow you up (if male between 18-25). Or if

Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)

2001-09-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:24:44PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ... For the most part, Mutt is an excellent email client. However, I'm actually going to correct myself, and say that it *is* Mutt that doesn't play well with

Re: FAA new rules and the nEW gEStApo (was Nail clippers

2001-09-26 Thread mmotyka
Yawn... xganon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hmm lets outlaw gelatin capsules on the grounds that they facilitate turning human finger and toenails very hard and allow the use of same as weapons(it does NOT take very much to tear the caratoid artery open) Don't you mean carotid? same for

Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...

2001-09-26 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 06:42 PM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: At 6:06 PM -0700 9/25/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Whether you take my approach or Tim's approach isn't all that important. What is vital, is that you maintain your sense of moral superiority. Any personal fear, guilt or

Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001

2001-09-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
I reported it in an article I wrote Monday; Monday's hearing where chairman Sensenbrenner announced this was covered live on CSPAN; the committee web site was updated to reflect this; the wire service daybooks were updated to reflect this. -Declan On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:31:16PM -1000,

Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001

2001-09-26 Thread Alan
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 17:38, Black Unicorn wrote: Since the only goal in the first place was to delay I repeat: SUCCESS! Until they wait until people look the other way and then sneak it past. (Like every other privacy-rapeing bill over the last ten years.) - Original Message

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