Jim Choate wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:
Elementary - fair is whatever the parties in interest agree to. Period.
'agree' is synonymous with 'free' in this case. All you're doing is
playing word games and hand waving.
What does it mean to 'agree'?
You are
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Paul Krugman, Economic Columnist, New York Times, 24 October 2001:
At worst, war bonds will offer a lower return than ordinary bonds.
And if some people buy them nonetheless, what will they finance?
Here's where that tax bill enters the picture. The remarkable thing
about the 'stimulus'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shit, so much for ordering mushroom spores by mail!
Hopefully UPS and fedex won't follow suit.
Another option might be for each package to be dropped into a poly bag,
heat sealed and rinsed before being handled by staff.
Our society has, for all practical
The really weird thing about this whole anthrax scene is that all
the spores seem to be of the Ames variety, which is a militarized anthrax
developed in Ames, Iowa. It really seems suspicious to me that these are of
domestic origin -- bin Ladin or whoever would be in all likelihood be using
a
Cpunks, what are your ideas on this:
. What would be an acceptable way for the U.S. government to handle the
current problem of terrorists in the U.S. in order to catch the ones
already here and to prevent future attacks (acknowledged, they will do what
they are prepared to do, given their
Besides, the Taliban don't dance.
When the B-52's are performing even the Taliban develop rhythm.
vnconfig -ck svnd0 diskimage
I don't have a BSD system around to check -
what does this approach do?
It creates an loop encrypted loopback FS.
Anyway, for an OS which prides itself on built-in crypto,
why do we have to mess around with loopback? ...
Can you describe a scenario
At 01:38 PM 10/23/2001 +1000, zem wrote:
On 23 Oct 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:
vnconfig -ck svnd0 diskimage
I don't have a BSD system around to check -
what does this approach do?
Anyway, for an OS which prides itself on built-in crypto,
why do we have to mess around with loopback? ...
Can
The military's rules of engagement are very explicit... Anyone giving an
order to break those rules are themselves committing a crime.. The integrity
to stand up and say its wrong is what has been taught in the military over
the past few years as Moral Courage... I am not saying the rules don't
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/102301.htm
At 04:23 AM 10/23/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
Irradiation equipment is being considered for mail processing, heard
both over NPR's Morning Edition, and referenced in a story posted to
Yahoo!: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ksat/20011022/lo/932238_1.html
...
Adds new meaning to a glowing
Well at least you got the UNDERPAID part right...
Jon Beets
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From: Nomen Nescio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Cypherpunks idiot list
Of course I know how to use a killfile! I killfiled all you
C'punks,
Penn suggests reading Joseph Dunniger if you want to know how magic works.
One of Dunninger's books listed on Amazon.com is, Dunninger's Complete
Encyclopedia of Magic.
S a n d y
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns1440
Uses a known carrier through a randomizing media so that only the
source and dest will have the same randomization performed on their
signal.
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on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:31:38AM -0700, David Honig ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
At 04:23 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
Any pointers on packaging for photographic and/or magnetic media through
mail to survive irradiation equipment? How about the magstrips on all
those credit
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
StarOffice is a lot better. Opensource, for one thing (although I
know the Mac version was dropped and the OS X version not quite ready yet,
but the linux version rocks), and doesn't get macroviri in any version.
Again, why would you use something
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 12:56:02PM -0700, Giovanna Imbesi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Last night my friend and I stopped at a Venice club/bar. At the door
they were doing the normal ID check, but then took my driver's license
and swiped it into
On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 04:02 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our society has, for all practical purposes, endless vulnerabilities.
If
as each vulnerability is exploited we plan on taking drastic steps to
secure it from future exploitation, the costs will be
So what's wrong with lne.com -- majordomo responds to info
cypherpunks, but nothing's coming thru since last night, and nothing on
inet.com either except from toad and ssz?
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It 's always refreshing when someone posts something truly funny.
The idiots list ranks right up there with Nixon's enemies list -
except it's not as long...
--
john noerenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
While the belief we
At 07:24 AM 10/24/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
Holographic Sonar Cryptography
Its no more 'cryptography' than the plans to use
small number of quanta to communicate 'securely'
between satellites, or using pressurized conduits
for your cables. As 'secure' or 'untappable' fnord
communications it
At 12:23 PM 10/24/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
Our society has, for all practical purposes, endless vulnerabilities. If
as each vulnerability is exploited we plan on taking drastic steps to
secure it from future exploitation, the costs will be staggering and the
list of unsecured items will
At 09:31 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
Unexposed photographic film could have a real problem with this,
depending on quite what they're using.
Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film.
Interesting consequences for the evolution of radiation-resistant strains,
of course.
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On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 11:05 AM, David Honig wrote:
At 10:32 AM 10/24/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:14 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote:
Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film.
What do you suppose happens to
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote:
I don't have time to respond in depth to the points Tim makes here, so I
have snipped a lot of them. I intend to come back and comment in more
detail later.
Largely, I am in agreement. However, in the paragraphs I've quoted below,
Tim touches on a
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Eric Murray wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:44:09AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
Sure, unions are good is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim
this?
Most labor unions are simply rent-seeking clubs designed to cement the
status quo. Teacher's unions in the
At 10:11 AM 10/24/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Personally I'd prefer a non-colonial foreign policy that doesn't generate
such antipathy.
The message of the WTC is this: regular ole' non-mil sheeple *are* held
responsible for
the actions of their
On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 11:33 AM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Largely, I am in agreement. However, in the paragraphs I've quoted
below,
Tim touches on a counter-argument and dismisses it. I'll like to expand
upon that a bit.
I didn't dismiss it. In fact, I wrote more about this issue,
On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 12:01 PM, David Honig wrote:
Many excellent points...
...
If you look up Schelling points you find Tim's
http://www.inet-
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metaphor about interfering with another family because you disapprove of
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George Mason U. adopts a free-market philosophy to an unusual degree
I skimmed the article, and it seems decent, but entirely anticlimatic.
Any institution
.
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Prisoners grumble and piss their clothes,
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote:
I didn't dismiss it. In fact, I wrote more about this issue, which I
haven't seen brought up by anyone else here, than 95% of all posts to
Cypherpunks have in their entire amount of original material!
My apologies. Dismiss was not the correct word.
I
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote:
Federalizing or socializing the costs of security is like federalizing
or socializing flood insurance: it takes the efficiencies of the market
away and creates distortions.
A bare one objection to comprehensive market based security: a market
needs private
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Tim wrote:
And my meta-Schelling point was actually that the concept of a
Schelling point is itself a Schelling point: many people, even
animals, come to the independent conclusion that figuring out where
the Schelling points are is a good
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, (na) mshoe wrote:
I first want you to know I understand what you do but
Great! Could you please explain it to *US* then? I [seriously] doubt
that most of us know what it is we do here!
I need to ask you to please remove the post from
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
What does it mean to 'agree'?
or, more to the point, what does is mean?
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If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
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Two hovering police choppers waited for people to come
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Frog wrote:
Not a plausible claim, to anyone who recalls the situation at the
top of the WTC on those days. The incredible heat and smoke from
an entire jetliner full of fuel a hundred feet below would make
helicopter operations impossible. Trying to land on the roof under
those circumstances
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Prisoners grumble and piss
David Honig wrote:
Personally I'd prefer a non-colonial foreign policy that doesn't generate
such antipathy.
And if you believe that WTC had anything to do with US foreign policy,
or that we would cease being targets if we e.g. dropped suppport for
Israel, you are living in a dream world and
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:
Jim Choate wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:
Elementary - fair is whatever the parties in interest agree to. Period.
'agree' is synonymous with 'free' in this case. All you're doing is
playing word games and
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
Read your Aesop: the thief needs no excuse.
Read Green River Anthology, we are what our environment makes of us.
That's the 'nature' aspect just in case you're confused. You can't have
one without the other (contrary to your claim).
No mand is an
Lucky wrote:
It would have been more impressive had
Copperfield revealed the numbers he
predicted an hour /before/ the drawing...
Yes, but that would have required REAL magic (or time travel).
Incidentally, Penn sent a further reading suggestion on the subject of
mentalism. The book is
I don't understand why one would pay $1000 for a Starium device when
comparable devices are available in the market place for less than half
Do you have any references for those? I'm in the market for a voice
encryptor system. Are these devices really comparable in terms of
ease of use?
of
Dr. Evil wrote:
I don't understand why one would pay $1000 for a Starium device when
comparable devices are available in the market place for less than half
Do you have any references for those? ...
of that. The design goal for the new Starium boxes was sub-$100 retail.
I doubt
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On 24 Oct 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:
No, it has nothing to do with speed. Machines are plenty fast. This
is just a kludgy way to do this, and the last time I tried it, I got
kernel panics within a day or so of uptime. Not acceptable,
obviously.
2.7 had problems. It's worked reliably for me
http://www.tccsecure.com/csd4100.htm - no price
Great, no price and uses the world-famous DACE algorithm from Bell
Labs. Next!
http://www.thespystore.com/telefax.htm - $249
One unit is a scrambler which boasts 52,488 code combinations!
The other uses rolling code scrambling, which I assume
Excellent. Thank you for delivering the entire article, rather than a
link (I usually get to your likns BTW, but they do sit _way_ down on the
list).
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:37:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 01:38 PM 10/23/2001 +1000, zem wrote:
On 23 Oct 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:
vnconfig -ck svnd0 diskimage
I don't have a BSD system around to check -
what does this approach do?
Create a loopback device. -k means encrypt - cipher is blowfish,
on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:12:13PM -0700, John Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
These procedures were described in exquisite detail during
the USA v. bin Laden et al trial earlier this year:
http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-dt.htm
Use the search on Cryptome to find the transcripts
The Ames Strain of Anthrax wasn't developed in Ames, It was discovered.
It was naturally occurring strain that was resistant to the anti-biotics
that were used to treat Anthrax at the time.
It is very commonly used in the study and research of bacteria, and up to a
few years ago could be easily
Dr. Evil wrote:
So, I checked all the URLs you gave me, and none of them, except the
STU, use real encryption, and the STUs are either not available, or
they are backdoored.
Starium is competing with STUs.
...
And others in the over-US$1000 range.
Right, so Starium is
The DC Metro is one of the nicer subways systems in the country.
And for both NYC and DC, the subway definitely beats most other
transportation methods - neither city could support even the
parking needs for their residents or workers if everyone drove,
and busses aren't managed in a way that
We probably need to define the product category we're discussing. I was
listing devices which prevent casual interception, and which Joe Average
might conceivably buy. The Starium is obviously more robust than that,
and consequently more expensive.
Right, exactly. When Starium was first
Make Green River Anthology into Spoon River Anthology, it'll make more
sense.
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The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.
Edmund Burke (1784)
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The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.
Edmund Burke (1784)
The
This entire view misses the(!) one most important component of Unix's (and
Linux's) success, they were first.
There was NO credible competition. The same thing can be said for Apache
and BIND and many other apps. It isn't that they were the best, they were
simply the first - and get to reap
Noted without comment: this stamps.com press release hit the wires earlier
today...
--XJ
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The bill is not perfect. I am sorry that, for example, we excluded
making it a crime to smuggle over $10,000 interstate. We included it
for overseas, but it was not included for interstate. Nevertheless,
this is an excellent bill.
Can someone clarify the definition, in this context, of
http://www.tfriend.com/hypothesis.html
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The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.
Edmund Burke (1784)
The Armadillo Group
On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 02:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, (na) mshoe wrote:
I first want you to know I understand what you do but
Great! Could you please explain it to *US* then? I [seriously] doubt
that most of us know what it is we do here!
I need to ask
--
David Honig wrote:
No one forces a farmer to the city to look for an industrial job.
On 22 Oct 2001, at 12:21, Ken Brown wrote:
In general, no. But it happens now and again. Governments
certainly did
in (say) the old Soviet Union
I do not think so.
Lenin surrounded the cities to
I happened to hear from Lee Caplin of Starium today. They've
apparently (I'm looking at Lee's email message while typing this, but
I don't wish to speak for them) abandoned plans to sell the
bump-in-a-wire device. Now they're thinking of marketing a small
RJ11'd cryptophone an executive would
Declan McCullagh wrote:
When you have 99-1 votes in the Senate
(http://www.politechbot.com/p-02651.html), can anyone seriously say
that either the Democrats or Republicans can be trusted to preserve
our privacy and follow the demands of the Constitution?
No. Nor have the mass of national
Did you read the page carefully? See:
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That said, I'm surprised to see the units advertised. As I said in
another message, Starium's chairman (I think that's his current title)
indicated to me today
Parochial issues like privacy, maybe?
-Declan
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I happened to hear from Lee Caplin of Starium today. They've
apparently (I'm looking at Lee's email message while typing this,
but I don't wish to speak for them) abandoned plans to sell the
bump-in-a-wire device. Now they're thinking of marketing a small
RJ11'd cryptophone an executive
An armed uprising won't transpire, but a time will come
when people will run away from cities.
Even if you disagree with prophecy, I very much doubt that you truly
believe that there is men and women in great numbers that will fight.
After spending 26 years on this planet, it will not be a
on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:53:35PM -0500, Jim Choate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
This entire view misses the(!) one most important component of Unix's (and
Linux's) success, they were first.
Not hardly.
I wasn't keeping notes when KR were designing their gaming platform,
but history seems to
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David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Personally I'd prefer a non-colonial foreign policy that doesn't generate
such antipathy.
The message of the WTC is this: regular ole' non-mil sheeple *are* held
responsible for
the actions of their government. *Even* in the US. What a concept.
I
Lne.com, at least based on what I saw, sent no outgoing messages from
about 7 pm ET yesterday until 12 noon today.
-Declan
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:38:29AM -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:
So what's wrong with lne.com -- majordomo responds to info
cypherpunks, but nothing's coming thru
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote:
Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film.
What do you suppose happens to disks and other magnetic media at these
flux levels?
Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111
student/math+cs/helsinki university,
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:17:54PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Lne.com, at least based on what I saw, sent no outgoing messages from
about 7 pm ET yesterday until 12 noon today.
We had a sendmail config error, and our network feed had a problem
with some hardware.
Eric
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While the U.S. economy continues to sink, the majority of economists
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On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:14 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote:
Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film.
What do you suppose happens to disks and other magnetic media at these
flux levels?
Nothing. Magnetic oxides and metallic thin films are not
You seem to have left out the fact that the single largest player in the
market today is the government. The security measures that are now in
place for air travel are IMHO an abuse by regulators that amounts to
using a private actor as a proxy for an illegal search : to whit names,
flight
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At 10:32 AM 10/24/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:14 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote:
Enough rads to sterilize? Forget film.
What do you suppose happens to disks and other magnetic media at these
flux levels?
Nothing.
On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You seem to have left out the fact that the single largest player in the
market today is the government.
That's the sea the fish swim in...so pervasive that no one needs
reminding of it.
I am arguing for increased
Riad S. Wahby wrote:
Strange that you would go to all the trouble. I'll take emacs and
LaTeX2e any day of the week. Who needs WYSIWYG when you can make
nicer-looking documents in less time using a Turing-complete document
formatting / programming language?
Compatability with Wurd users. A
At 09:31 AM 10/23/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 04:23 AM 10/23/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
Irradiation equipment is being considered for mail processing, heard
Yep, nothing like placing canisters of radiological materials
everywhere. Mmmm, smell that? Cobalt 60. Smells like...
At 06:59 PM 10/23/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
http://www.drudgereport.com/matth2.htm
Hillary smarm with out the charm Clinton is finally being treated to the
welcome she deserves. If Ruddi hadn't dropped out or the Repos hadn't run
such a weak candidate the voters would surely had sent her
Hillary was in good company: Richard Gere got booed for
suggesting tolerance not vengeance, and the NYC Fire
Commissioner got booed the loudest by firemen for being
a publicity whore and Guiliani flunkey who has been trying
for years to cut back on firefighting services under Rudy's
orders. The
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
[much whineyou suck/whine elided]
Note: if you are an idiot, you may not like being informed
of this fact.
Glass houses...
--
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] no doubt the source of the low paying
system
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Shit, so much for ordering mushroom spores by mail! Hopefully UPS
and fedex won't follow suit.
you should be aware that FedX now carries a large (majority?) portion of
the US mails, under contract. This is the reason that FedX drop boxes
were
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote:
The really weird thing about this whole anthrax scene is that all
the spores seem to be of the Ames variety, which is a militarized anthrax
Shouldn't this read non-militarized? The Ames strain is a standardized
research strain, used
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