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RE: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Duncan Frissell wrote: Besides, Prison is not punishment to the literate. 'Course being buggered by your cellmate is. Also, jail/prison libraries are woefully lacking in the sort of books you REALLY need. S a n d y

Re: James Glassman wants national IDs: We have to give up privacy

2001-10-26 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: [You can see James Glassman's bio here: http://www.techcentralstation.com/Bios.asp?FormMode=BioID=6 His column is not merely poorly-reasoned, but poorly researched as well: He makes some factual errors, such as saying the lack of a national ID

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2001-10-26 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin
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Re: Pravda Propaganda On The NRA, GOA and Militias

2001-10-26 Thread j eric townsend
At 09:01 -0700 2001/10/26, Tim May wrote: (For those outside the U.S., a word of explanation. For some reason, political mappers showed votes for Al Gore in _blue_ and votes for Bush in _red_. I have no idea how this came to be. It's been done that way for years on television vote tallies.

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Tim May
On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 10:36 AM, Duncan Frissell wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Steve Thompson wrote: That would be my view. After all, mistakes do happen and so we should all be understanding of our and their all-too-human failings which occasionaly lead to minor inconveniences.

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Re: CDR: Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread measl
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: Besides, Prison is not punishment to the literate. Please tell me this is not meant as it reads. I keep trying, but seem unable to find anything but a straight reading.. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 01:11 PM 10/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: Besides, Prison is not punishment to the literate. Please tell me this is not meant as it reads. I keep trying, but seem unable to find anything but a straight reading.. Otium sine litteris mors

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread measl
This worldview of your makes a point of deying the reality of the situation under disussion. It's difficult to enjoy reading all the worlds scriptures when you need to spend most of your time insuring your pyhsical *survival*. You have absolutely no concept of our prisons, do you? On Fri, 26

Re: Pravda Propaganda On The NRA, GOA and Militias

2001-10-26 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 10:51 AM 10/26/01 -0700, j eric townsend wrote: AIt's been done that way for years on television vote tallies. They never use, say, purple and orange, almost always red and blue (and green, I think for independents). I'm not sure, but I think GOP has always been red and Dems have always

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Matthew Gaylor
At 1:36 PM -0400 10/26/01, Duncan Frissell wrote: Besides, Prison is not punishment to the literate. DCF Of course you may have to read standing up until you get used to it. Regards, Matt- Rape used as control in U.S. prisons

RE: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sandy wrote: Also, jail/prison libraries are woefully lacking in the sort of books you REALLY need. Yep. So why not do a little something about it? I've been donating books to a local women's prison for awhile: Ayn Rand, history books, old

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting Duncan Frissell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Steve Thompson wrote: That would be my view. After all, mistakes do happen and so we should all be understanding of our and their all-too-human failings which occasionaly lead to minor inconveniences. Besides,

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A Terrorist's Nursery (fwd)

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
No, I didn't. Please pay better attention to your attribution. On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: Jim Choate wrote: But Nato's escape clause won't work this time round. For as the Afghan refugees turn up in their thousands at the border, it is palpably evident that

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2001-10-26 Thread Paul H Merrill
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Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: Being 'first' doesn't imply they were 'alone'. You misrepresent reality to your own end. Define your market or relevant niche, with specificity. Computers intended for single-user interactive processing. When looking at

[psychohistory] Two mistakes (fwd)

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
Nations with imperial aspirations, invariably, throughout History change their conscript based army in favor of an army of paid soldiers. Today euphimisticaly called 'profesional' soldiers, but know also as mercenaries and soldiers of fortune in the not-so-distant past. (Note: Ligustically

Re: Market Competition for Security Measures

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Observer that in the real world, food and clothing is provided by the market, and no one goes hungry or naked, but A truly 'white bread' commentary. -- The people

Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: No argument there - I just have a lot of trouble equating terrorism and the American war of independence. Why? The Americans were most certainly terrorist/revolutionaries/freedom fighters/etc. Arms should indeed be taken up against those who

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2001-10-26 Thread Sandy Sandfort
C'punks, I heard back from my friend who was recently released from federal prison. She wrote: The libraries in federal prisons are hideously inadequate largely because of the policy governing donations to federal prisons...State prisons, however, are a horse of a different

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2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:03:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hangar 18: Re: [9fans] What makes Plan 9 unique? (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 25 Oct

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2001-10-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:56 PM 10/24/2001 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Lucky wrote: It would have been more impressive had Copperfield revealed the numbers he predicted an hour /before/ the drawing... Yes, but that would have required REAL magic (or time travel). Or rigging the lottery drawing, but surely

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2001-10-26 Thread Bill Stewart
One of the fun things about the internet is that you can't just put things behind you - information is never forgotten unless it's useful. There are flames I wrote on Usenet back in the early 80s archived; if only it were as easy to find the useful stuff. As the song says, C'mon Joe, you can

Re: Democratic critters' biochemwomdterror plans

2001-10-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:33 PM 10/24/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: * * * * * MEDIA ADVISORY * * * * * NEWS FROM THE OFFICE OF THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER That's a bizarre enough title all by itself. Of course, the Gepper isn't the Democratic Party Fearless Leader, though he is the leader of the Congresscritters

Re: Democratic critters' biochemwomdterror plans

2001-10-26 Thread Dr. Evil
WASHINGTON, DC -- Rep. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), Vice Chair of the Democratic Caucus and Chair of the Democratic Task Force on Homeland Security, These titles keep sounding more and more like the Committee for State Security or the Committee for Public Safety. Bring back the SLORC!

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 08:35:36PM -0500, Jim Choate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: Being 'first' doesn't imply they were 'alone'. You misrepresent reality to your own end. Define your market or relevant niche, with specificity. Computers

Re: CDR: Re: A champion of liberty speaks about privacy, cashsmuggling

2001-10-26 Thread measl
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: For as long as I have been traveling internationally, I have been required to declare all cash amounts larger than $10,000. Does this mean that previously it was not a crime to not make such a declaration, and now it is ? I suspect that this little

Re: Why Plan-9?

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: The problem I've got with this response is that Unix and GNU/Linux aren't computers, they're operating systems. Unix was written to run on those computers that didn't exist, largely the PDP 7 and 11. An OS without a computer is worthless. What

Re: web.archive.org Internet archive to open ---google + archeology

2001-10-26 Thread Bill Stewart
It's not as outrageous as you'd think. 100GB drives are around $200, which means that a terabyte will cost you about $3K if you throw in a PC and some networking gear to connect it, so you could replicate that in your basement next to your DES-cracker for about the same price - the more

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2001-10-26 Thread Morlock Elloi
It is time for cypherpunks to go back to their roots. Let us put the cypher back in cypherpunk. There are other places where people can whine You mean ... stop the impotent bitching, despair, amendments mythology, fantasizing about killings and sheer bullshit that flourishes when

Re: CDR: Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )

2001-10-26 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Jim Choate wrote: Why? The Americans were most certainly terrorist/revolutionaries/freedom fighters/etc. Again, you make no distinction between freedom fighters and terrorists, which is very sad because there is a rather important difference. Being incapable of making the distinction, you

Re: CDR: [psychohistory] Two mistakes (fwd)

2001-10-26 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Jim Choate wrote: Nations with imperial aspirations, invariably, throughout History change their conscript based army in favor of an army of paid soldiers. Today euphimisticaly called 'profesional' soldiers, but know also as mercenaries and soldiers of fortune in the not-so-distant past.

Re: Market Competition for Security Measures

2001-10-26 Thread jamesd
-- On 25 Oct 2001, at 0:00, Sampo Syreeni wrote: A bare one objection to comprehensive market based security: a market needs private property, and other civil rights, in order to function efficiently, as predicted. Protection is what guarantees those rights. If you place

Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Choate
[Warning: Use of 3rd person 'you'] On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: Again, you make no distinction between freedom fighters and terrorists, which is very sad because there is a rather important difference. Being incapable of making the distinction, you are condemned to hate

Re: CDR: Re: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )

2001-10-26 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
David Honig wrote: At 12:42 PM 10/25/01 +0800, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: Jim Choate wrote: We need to send a message that armed propaganda is not an acceptable form of self-expression, no matter what the alleged cause. Review the American revolution and the current news before

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting Sandy Sandfort ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Onin wal-a bin Hakkin wrote: but in all candor, dont ya think that if a guy is there who SHOULDNT be there, he wouldnt be there after a decent timeframe of investigation? If you were innocent of any crime and were thrown in the slammer

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RE: James Glassman wants national IDs: We have to give up privacy

2001-10-26 Thread Blanc
From Mark Talbot: :I have yet to see a post 9/11 scheme that would actually enhance my :safety in any significant way. Even police states have terrorists. -- I was listening on the radio some days ago to a journalist from Sri Lanka describing how strict and thorough the security

Re: Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Steve Thompson wrote: That would be my view. After all, mistakes do happen and so we should all be understanding of our and their all-too-human failings which occasionaly lead to minor inconveniences. minor

Re: Pravda Propaganda On The NRA, GOA and Militias

2001-10-26 Thread Tim May
On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 08:27 AM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: Matt Gaylor has forwarded this article. My profound thanks to him. This is one of the most insightful articles I've seen on the real internal political situation in the U.S., the red vs. blue separation. Truly ironic that it

Asscruft Puffery

2001-10-26 Thread Subcommander Bob
At 07:42 AM 10/26/01 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: Deliberate vagueness on Asscruft's part, I suspect. As I understand it, He is strutting and puffing like a rooster who watches his hens being taken away by a fox. At least Reno was scary, neither are convincing.

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2001-10-26 Thread citizenq
A strategic approach is necessary to accomplish anything in response to the USA bill and the upcoming push for a National ID. It will take outreach and education over a long period of time First step is, once more, a red-line version so its obfuscation can be reduced and the real language

Re: Assasination politics 3,Terra Australis

2001-10-26 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting mattd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Professor fights like a cornered rat...AP trial 3?...can this be the end of RICO. Previously unpublished by macedon ranges gaurdian 11:11pm Fri Oct 26 '01 A dead tree story that has just been collated.Relevance is the seizing by police of citizens

The end of the Fourth Amendment

2001-10-26 Thread Tim May
On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 05:38 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote: Too many totalitarian surveillance state measures to comment on, but the sneak and peek provision is such a slam dunk violation of the Fourth Amendment that it bears special comment. Other sections of the USA Act, which the

Ministry of truth: ABC anchor regrets remarks

2001-10-26 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin
[Yes ABC is a nominally private entity (modulo their govt license and use of spectrum) but note that she was speaking on her own time.] Friday October 26 02:16 AM EDT By Andrew Grossman NEW YORK (The Hollywood Reporter) --- ABC anchorwoman Carole Simpson on Thursday said she regretted some of

Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...

2001-10-26 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Steve Thompson wrote: That would be my view. After all, mistakes do happen and so we should all be understanding of our and their all-too-human failings which occasionaly lead to minor inconveniences. Besides, Prison is not punishment to the literate. DCF Laws

Re: Pravda Propaganda On The NRA, GOA and Militias

2001-10-26 Thread alphabeta121
This article touches on a note that irritates me, a pro-Capitalist, pro-gun American. The fact that many militias, 'right winger's' and so on are claiming that global corporations, the wealthy, and ruling-class billionaires as being behind the plot to take away America's Second Amendment rights.

Re: Senate approves USA Act, sends to Bush, Ashcroft vows newera

2001-10-26 Thread Steve Furlong
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 02:31:42PM -0400, Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Attorney General John Ashcroft Prepared Remarks for the US Mayors Conference October 25, 2001 ... Within days of the September 11 attacks, we launched this

Anti-terrorism bill's expiration date may not mean much

2001-10-26 Thread Declan McCullagh
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2001-10-26 Thread sonofgomez709
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