Ralph Merkle on Radio - Art Bell, Tuesday Night/ Wed Morning

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Stewart
Forwarded: --- Art Bell is having Ralph Merkle, Stanford PhD, the co-inventor of public key cryptography as a guest, Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. The SF station that carries him is 560am. ---

MTV To Get Message Out In Arab World

2001-11-19 Thread Matthew Gaylor
://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2009/en/television-mtv_1.html By Pamela McClintock WASHINGTON (Variety) - The architects of the government's post-Sept. 11 propaganda war may well want their MTV on the frontlines in the Arab world. Rushing to shift perceptions of the United

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Neil Johnson
Well (jamesd's because they can comment not withstanding) the stated reason for uncoupling money from precious metal was to allow the government greater flexibility in controlling the supply of money. Supposedly they could increase the amount of money available when times were bad (to make

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RE: CDR: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-19 Thread Trei, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: detonation. You can actually hold a subcritical mass of plutonium in your hand for awhile - I'm told it feels warm. Can't say I've tried it myself. hold on mr. expert. you hold a sub

Re: Who Authorized This?

2001-11-19 Thread Ken Brown
Steve Schear posted: Who Authorized This? Andrew Sullivan, Forbes ASAP, 12.03.01 [...] Moreover, the power and status of rulers derived from their own perfection. Kings and queens commanded artists to portray them as demi-gods. Dissenters were not merely troublemakers; they were direct

SafeWeb is history?

2001-11-19 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Seen on /., confirmed on www.safeweb.com. SafeWeb, blaming the bankruptcy of its co-lo provider, has suspended its free web proxy. It's claimed: we may relaunch the service on a subscription basis. Another one bites the dust... -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm back.

2001-11-19 Thread R. A. Hettinga
I've been looking at the archives every once in a while for the last few months. The archives have their feet in the sky, the last few days, so I decided to lurk for real. LNE's nice and clean, so far. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet

Re: Pricing spare resources and options?

2001-11-19 Thread georgemw
On 18 Nov 2001, at 22:30, Greg Broiles wrote: It seems like there ought to be an interesting market here, but I know and worked with several people (with good financial backgrounds) who flogged this for awhile and never got anywhere. I guess a big part of the problem is that there's such

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread georgemw
On 18 Nov 2001, at 20:37, CDR Anonymizer wrote: Anonymous: but why did governments engage in the vigorous and frequent application of bayonets and batons to render their money independent of precious metals? Because they could. This goes beyond gratuitous demonstration of power and

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread georgemw
On 19 Nov 2001, at 2:54, Neil Johnson wrote: There are still a lot people that believe the U.S. should return to the Gold Standard meaning the amount of money in circulation should equal the amount of gold held by the U.S. government. That's what Fort Knox was originally for. It's

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 10:00:05AM -0800, Tim May wrote: | Also, I plan to reply only to folks who make a serious effort to debate. ok, so this is just some nits, because your analysis is generally good. | contributors have arrived. We had a guy from Germany, whose name I have | spaced out

Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-19 Thread mmotyka
!Dr. Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Where did this bullshit come from? Did someone take a ravioli recipe and do some search and replace? Is Dr. Joe Baptista really Jim Choate in disguise? My favorite short quote : The trick is to bring the U-235 masses together at the same time.

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 10:29 AM, Adam Shostack wrote: | 6. The failure to get true digital money. Call it what you like, | digital cash or ecash or even one of Hettinga's pet names, but the | fact is that for both political and technical reasons we don't have | digital cash. This

Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-19 Thread Ken Brown
A propaganda weapon doesn't have to work, it just has to present a threat of working to people who may or may not understand how it is meant to work. It doesn't have to be a credible military weapon. A kamikaze airliner isn't a credible *military* weapon against anyone who can afford artillery.

Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-19 Thread baptista
exactly right Ken .. as i said before to Tim May - propaganda is the key. Example - antrax theatre. i must admit i'm warming up to Tim May's tall pipe means of attaining critical mass - much easier then playing with explosive and timing devices - my only question is do our experts see a problem

PALS : renaming DC CP

2001-11-19 Thread mmotyka
True. The DC cypherpunks are thinking of changing their name to something more cuddly. Harmless Little Nerds? Cryptotubbies? Happy Fun Infosec Society? Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. Programmers Rally Against Terrorism? Programmer's Association for Liberty

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim wrote: Companies have been trying to convince the home computer user that they should be encrypting for years. Doesn't work. And for not very surprising reasons. Same thing seen in the home security business, backups, etc. (The average user

Nuclear Pipe Bombs

2001-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exactly right Ken .. as i said before to Tim May - propaganda is the key. Example - antrax theatre. i must admit i'm warming up to Tim May's tall pipe means of attaining critical mass - much easier then playing with

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Ken Brown
Tim May wrote: So, here's the punchline, Regardless of companies trying to make money, not be run out of business by money laundering laws, trying to be banker- and Homeland Fascism-friendly, IS THERE A FUNDAMENTAL REASON WHY TWO-WAY UNTRACEABILITY IS NOT POSSIBLE. I believe

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2001-11-19 Thread Jim Choate
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Re: Nuclear Pipe Bombs

2001-11-19 Thread Ken Brown
Tim May wrote: [...] As I made clear in my post, it's not _my_ idea. It's one of the standard basement nuke proposed designs. Same here of course. [...] I will mention that Ken Brown's many pieces along the length of the pipe is the worst way to do this: it buys nothing over the two

RE: Nuclear Pipe Bombs

2001-11-19 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Ken Brown quoted Tim May (I think) saying: A way too expensive way to spread mere radiological terror, which could be done much more cheaply and easily by taking spent fuel rods and blowing them up, or just by grinding up spent fuel rods or other nuclear waste and then dumping it

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-19 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On 19 Nov 2001, at 19:43, Ken Brown wrote: Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. Programmers Rally Against Terrorism? I wonder how many non-Brits will get this... -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:39 PM, Ken Brown wrote: Tim May wrote: So, here's the punchline, Regardless of companies trying to make money, not be run out of business by money laundering laws, trying to be banker- and Homeland Fascism-friendly, IS THERE A FUNDAMENTAL REASON WHY

Virtual Bhurkas ( was : Re: Nuclear Pipe Bombs )

2001-11-19 Thread mmotyka
Ken Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : 1) I thought spherical shells were the usual geometry? 2) It sure as hell looks like it's time to start creating private archives of public data and seeing to it that the data are propagated. Sneakernet revisited only now with CD's instead of floppies.

Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-19 Thread mmotyka
Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On 19 Nov 2001, at 19:43, Ken Brown wrote: Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. Programmers Rally Against Terrorism? I wonder how many non-Brits will get this... -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Nuclear Pipe Bombs

2001-11-19 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Won't work on Berkeley, though. The City Council declared Berkeley a Nuclear Free Zone. Guess that leaves only conventional weapons. S a n d y Those restrictions usually also prohibit the *design* of nuclear weapons (don't know if

Re: Virtual Bhurkas ( was : Re: Nuclear Pipe Bombs )

2001-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 02:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I thought spherical shells were the usual geometry? Define usual? And explain why that matters. We are discussing low-yield, non-optimized, basement nukes. Little Boy was a gun device, firing a wedge (of some

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Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread David Honig
At 01:27 AM 11/20/01 +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's amazing how many people assert this, even though it's clearly wrong. A gold standard does NOT mean that the amount of currency in circulation equals the amount of gold in the vaults, it means that

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Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 05:03 PM, David Honig wrote: Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other densely precious things) were valued *in and of themselves* and so using them as money was not symbolic. You traded your goat for a goat's worth of gold; if trust

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Eric Cordian
Faustine writes: Right. I suppose there's not much that can be done for people who expect security to be handed down to them from the sky on a silver platter. I'm sure it couldn't be more obvious to most here that if you don't put out the effort to take responsibility for your own security,

Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-19 Thread !Dr. Joe Baptista
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:15:39PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i must admit i'm warming up to Tim May's tall pipe means of attaining critical mass - much easier then playing with explosive and timing devices - my only question is do our

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In praise of gold

2001-11-19 Thread georgemw
On 19 Nov 2001, at 17:40, Tim May wrote: On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 05:03 PM, David Honig wrote: Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other densely precious things) were valued *in and of themselves* and so using them as money was not symbolic. You traded your

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Julian Assange
In and of itself is a very vague and intangible concept. --Tim May As my father told me long ago, the objective is not to convince someone with your arguments but to provide the arguments with which he later convinces himself. -- David Friedman Quoting Jews again, Tim? -- Julian

Re: How will they know you?

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Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, alphabeta121 wrote: what does C-A-C-L stand for? Crypto-Anarcho-Capitalist-Libertarian It's the recognition that these approaches to social engineering are united by a shared interest in maximum profit and a failure to take human psychology as a boundary condition. --

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, David Honig wrote: At 03:15 PM 11/17/01 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:36:32PM -0800, alphabeta121 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: what does C-A-C-L stand for? Crypto-Anarcho Capitalist Libertarian, per archives. Shorthand for a common, if not

Gold

2001-11-19 Thread Julian Assange
Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other densely precious things) were valued *in and of themselves* and so using them as money was not symbolic. You traded your goat for a goat's worth of gold; if trust evaporated overnight the gold is still worth something.

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric wrote: I think the real flaw there--what keeps me so uncomforable with it (even though my gut tells me it's a logical conclusion)--is reflected in the sheer number of people I've seen change their minds once they found out a little more

Re: CDR: Re: HOWTO Build a Nuclear Device

2001-11-19 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
And you might mention for the nuclearly impaired that the fuel used in RTGs is not the same as the fissionables used in reactors and weapons. Marc de Piolenc Eric Cordian wrote: Peter Trei wrote: I have a vague memory of seeing a photo of a ?3 inch? ball of Pu (isotopic composition

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Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-19 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim wrote: C-A-C-L's would let people die from thirst before interfering in a 'free market'. Others would say screw the market and give that man a drink. I'd give that man a drink out of my last canteen--but I sure as hell wouldn't force anyone