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2002-04-06 Thread Optimizzin Al-gorithym
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Re: Small Arms Failure in Afghan (caliberpunks)

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2002-04-06 Thread Faustine
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Re: CDR: Burning Man: Next Al Qaeda Target

2002-04-06 Thread measl
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Re: CDR: Burning Man: Next Al Qaeda Target (sorry, we got pranked)

2002-04-06 Thread measl
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Re: CDR: Re: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
It's very important to distinguish propaganda from fact. It is indeed convenient to lable people you don't like terrorist - the Germans did that with the French resistance - but fortunately there are generally accepted definitions of that term against which propaganda labels can be tested, if you

Re: CDR: Re: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread measl
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: A terrorist attacks a target conveniently designated by him as SYMBOLIC of his chosen adversary; the target is preferably unsuspecting and undefended. The ultimate purpose is to frighten his adversary, or somebody with influence on that

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-06 Thread John Young
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Re: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread Morlock Elloi
A warrior - whether guerrillero, risistant or regular - attacks his adversary directly and seeks to damage him, preferably enough to take him out of action. Apparently you assume that males forced by economics or guns into government-supplied uniform and/or operating machinery that delivers

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Re: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-06 Thread Steve Thompson
Quoting John Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): To be blunt, no official can be trusted, period, nor can any of their contractors who have agreed to abide the official rules. Which, as oft stated here, includes all state-empowered and privilieged professionals, from architects to lawyers to doctors

Re: CDR: Re: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've been listening to Shrub to much. What makes you think this is about hating freedom? Might this not be about getting us to mind our own fucking business??? I really don't give a fig about the opinions of the current resident of the White House. I've been

Re: CDR: Re: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread measl
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've been listening to Shrub to much. What makes you think this is about hating freedom? Might this not be about getting us to mind our own fucking business??? I really don't give a fig about the opinions of

Re: US troops wanted, dead or alive: InfoWar, PSYOPs

2002-04-06 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:30 AM 04/05/2002 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Hmm, that's about 5x what Union Carbide paid for dead Bhopal Indians... They were paying for them wholesale, after the fact. but a real bargain compared to many US wrongful-death lawsuits. What kind of payback does the USG pay to

Re: CDR: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Nonsense. If you can't see any difference between terrorists and résistants you are either wilfully ignorant or confused. A terrorist strikes symbolic targets, preferably undefended ones. A résistant strikes at the occupying power. Of course it is possible for one and the same person to be both

Re: Small Arms Failure in Afghan (caliberpunks)

2002-04-06 Thread John Young
Optimizzin wrote: The only use for instant kill weapon in warfare would be for an officer to shoot mutineers. Or vice-versa. I was advised to use a fragmentation grenade to off an officer, slid under the tent flap, or lobbed from the dark. An officer can kill a mutineer with impunity, whether

RE: mil disinfo on cryptome

2002-04-06 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eugene wrote: I have not followed this thread closely, So why bother to chime in with your two cents before spending the five minutes it would take to learn what's been going on? but could clueless posters please shut up, for a change? Instead of

Re: Julia Child was a Spook

2002-04-06 Thread Morlock Elloi
A warrior - whether guerrillero, risistant or regular - attacks his adversary directly and seeks to damage him, preferably enough to take him out of action. Apparently you assume that males forced by economics or guns into government-supplied uniform and/or operating machinery that delivers