Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

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3G Phones (was: Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone)

2003-01-14 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule in other parts. Hmm. I actually can't find any specs on that phone's max speed.

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:25 PM 01/14/2003 +, Ken Brown wrote: All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. This statement is so silly it leaves me speechless... [] Nonsense. Icelandic is little changed from the Old Norse of 1000 A.D. Icelanders can easily read the

Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:49 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and

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2003-01-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 1:47 AM -0800 1/14/03, Bill Stewart wrote: At 10:40 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Were it up to me, I would have

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that have Rules

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-14 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:36:46AM -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: Very true. Communicating with a 14th century Englishman would be difficult. I took a similar major's course with Robert Kaske in the 80's without the benefit of the side-by-side. It was as close to learning a new language as I

Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)

2003-01-14 Thread Michael Motyka
Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On Ken's All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. At first this parsed because I was thinking in the sense of all organisms have ancestries going back the same amount of time. (And humans aren't the

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-14 Thread Michael Motyka
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : You don't even have to read 14th Cent. lit to experience that. Read A Clockwork Orange -- most folks find they read about 1/3 to 1/2 before they go back and start over. Gibson, at least the earlier stuff, like Neuromancer, is a bit like that, but

Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)

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Re: Subject: CDR: Re: QM, EPR, A/B

2003-01-14 Thread blah
From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED], crackpot: On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, blah wrote: From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not from the photons perspective, from a photons perspective there is -no- time. A photon has no perspective. Yes it does. It is a particle and it

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread A.Melon
Bill Stewart said: At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to

Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)

2003-01-14 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:48 PM 1/14/03 -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: I guess bifurcation points and speciation seem very clear because of the aliasing problems in our sampling methods. The speciation exists but is prolly ( probably ) often fuzzier than we think. Almost everyone would say that an American Bison and a

Re: Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!

2003-01-14 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:28 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution

Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)

2003-01-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 2:56 PM -0800 on 1/14/03, Bill Stewart wrote: And while some of the edges have been bashed off of irregular verbs, if you'd a-been fixin' to talk about some verb forms being simpler, you shouldn't'a started out pickin' Southern grammar as an

Re: Subject: CDR: Re: QM, EPR, A/B

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Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps But it's a start. Its pretty common to see a reporter

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 02:09 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:40:28 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipient:; From: Monty Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:49 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and

3G Phones (was: Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone)

2003-01-14 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule in other parts. Hmm. I actually can't find any specs on that phone's max speed.

Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-14 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:36:46AM -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: Very true. Communicating with a 14th century Englishman would be difficult. I took a similar major's course with Robert Kaske in the 80's without the benefit of the side-by-side. It was as close to learning a new language as I

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, [Bill Stewart] wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to

Politics as dandruff...

2003-01-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 1:47 AM -0800 1/14/03, Bill Stewart wrote: At 10:40 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Were it up to me, I would have

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that have Rules

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-14 Thread Steve Schear
At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections.

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:39 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? Because all of us phone company stockholders hope maybe warmed-over headlines will get them to buy the stuff this time? Less cynically,

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-14 Thread John Kelsey
At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of

Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)

2003-01-14 Thread Major Variola (ret)
On Ken's All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. At first this parsed because I was thinking in the sense of all organisms have ancestries going back the same amount of time. (And humans aren't the 'goal' of evolution.) Not sure if non-bioheads

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-14 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:25 PM 01/14/2003 +, Ken Brown wrote: All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. This statement is so silly it leaves me speechless... [] Nonsense. Icelandic is little changed from the Old Norse of 1000 A.D. Icelanders can easily read the

Re: Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!

2003-01-14 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:28 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution

Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone

2003-01-14 Thread A.Melon
Bill Stewart said: At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to