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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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Is Mongo still a government agent? Neo-nazi group was riddled with them.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Court blocks attempt to ban neo-Nazi party March 20 2003 By John Hooper Berlin The German Government's efforts to curb the neo-Nazi right were thrown into disarray when the country's top court blocked its key initiative - an attempt to ban the skinhead-dominated National Democratic Party.

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Concurrent Operations.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Anti-war protesters take to the streets Violence erupted in Sydney this afternoon as around 15,000 people marched through the city streets protesting against the war in Iraq. It is the largest of several anti-war protests staged throughout the country. During the walk to Prime Minister John

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
News from the Sydney protest The estimates were 20,000 people - easily. Again, we couldn't move - wall-to-wall people. Some reports from the media have signalled violence but there was none of that. There were many angry people, but the anger transferred into cold fury and determination to

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Police subject to citizens' arrest If you're lawfully engaged in trying to stop the war and war crimes or arrest a criminal connected with either, the police must either support your efforts or find themselves also subject to arrest for abetting war crimes. For more, see

A Colossal Cacerolazo.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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USA Endorses Assassination Politics.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
America's attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and his aides in the launch of its military campaign against Iraq was aimed at sparing the lives of thousands of civilians, report John Walcott and Tom Infield. America's predawn attack on what Pentagon officials called leadership targets in Baghdad was

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Thursday March 20, 2003 Scientists have discovered why the air quality in Houston is so poor: the atmosphere over the self-proclaimed barbecue capital of Texas is thick with minuscule pieces of flame-grilled meat. Stockmarkets might be rallying as investors bet that the US will smash Iraq, but

Coderunners nip at Moloch's heels.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
An International Monetary Fund report acknowledged that opening capital markets to foreign investment may raise the risk of financial crises in poor nations, casting doubt on advice the IMF has offered governments for more than a decade. Investment from overseas might increase volatility in

The Other Gulf War.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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Mass Anti-Government Action Enters Second Day.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
A mass work stoppage called for by Zimbabwe's opposition to protest over President Robert Mugabe's government entered its second day yesterday, with the majority of businesses remaining shut, especially in the capital Harare. Large supermarkets and department stores also remained closed, as did

Australian PM acknowledges vital importance of ECHELON.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
One of the most interesting things about the PM's address to the Nation this evening was the frank admission that the ECHELON system of internation spying on the citizens of each other was an item of supreme importance.And that relations would have to get stronger,especially with America.

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
RUSSIAN President Vladimir Putin has called on the United States to stop the war against Iraq, calling the campaign a serious political mistake. If we install the rule of force in place of international security structures, no country in the world will feel secure, he said. That is why Russia

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Massive war protest in Athens March 20, 2003 BETWEEN 80,000 and 100,000 Greeks thronged to the Athens city centre today demanding that war in Iraq be stopped, according to initial police estimates. It's unprecedented. People continue coming, said Vera Michailidou of leftist anti-globalisation

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Army Web site performance slows to crawl as war begins ComputerWorld - 1 hour ago With the US-led war against Iraq now under way, the Army s public Web site is apparently being strained by major performance drops due to high peak demand from Web surfers, according to Internet performance

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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Request to permanently shut down Embassies.

2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-20 Thread Keith Ray
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Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-20 Thread Eric Cordian
Libertarians are people who think the only legitimate use of state force is to protect them from their slaves. It is unlikely that people who don't oppose the death penalty, nor the right of parents to beat their minor children at will, will care particularly about Shrub kicking the crap out of

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Re: Fwd: Informer alert: War begins in Iraq

2003-03-20 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Ken Brown wrote: Despite what Eric Cordian and others have said here, I think it unlikely that there will be a big body-bag outcome for the US. The force balance is so overwhelmingly one-way, and most Iraqis really don't want the current Ba'athist government. A lot of

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2003-03-20 Thread Trei, Peter
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2003-03-20 Thread Trei, Peter
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2003-03-20 Thread David Howe
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RE: Fwd: Informer alert: War begins in Iraq

2003-03-20 Thread Mike Rosing
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Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-20 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Eric Cordian wrote: Libertarians are people who think the only legitimate use of state force is to protect them from their slaves. You get of the wrong side of bed this morning or what? It is unlikely that people who don't oppose the death penalty, nor the right of

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2003-03-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: terror alert black

2003-03-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
Eric's statement was hyperbole, designed to provoke. My own view is that the Libertarian Party is being unfortunately wishy-washy when it comes to the war on Iraq. It correctly said that troops should not be blamed for politicians' choices, but it pointedly declined to say: This is an unjust war.

Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-20 Thread Eric Cordian
Declan writes: Eric's statement was hyperbole, designed to provoke. My own view is that the Libertarian Party is being unfortunately wishy-washy when it comes to the war on Iraq. We've had this discussion many times before on this list. People who know nothing about Libertarians see a word

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
Several people were arrested and the streets filled with trashcans and barricades. A few hundred people gathered at Columbus Circle today in NYC to protest the bombing. The Youth Bloc, No Blood for Oil, NYC Radical Cheerleaders and several affinity groups of various anarchist type people and

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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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2003-03-20 Thread professor rat
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Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-20 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 05:41:08PM -0600, Anonymous wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 01:42:16PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: What bullshit. You just suck right up to those war criminals don't you? Do you work for them too? On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:18:09AM -0600, Keith Ray

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Re: What shall we do with a bad government...

2003-03-20 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 03:23:19PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 01:50 PM 03/20/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The other one we hear is You should be ashamed which brings a chorus of No, we're proud or Have you forgotten about Sept. 11th? We did have some older fellow stopped at

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Re: Libertarian Party expresses concern over war -- but does not

2003-03-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 07:52:30PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Given that their platform, and Ralph Nader, calls for 90% tax rates for those with excessive wealth or income, they're far more statist than anyone else out there. Yep -- their platform is extreme. Like I said, I'm not a GP voter. As

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